Re: CVSup doubts

2005-11-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2005-11-26 23:28, Efren Bravo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jason, David, Chen and the others, !=Chris,
>
> I don't lose my time to answering him because I wouldn't have
> time to read the CVSup man pages as Chris suggests, jajajajaja
>
> thanks for your help

Strange as his style may seem, he is 100% right about one thing:
You should definitely take the time to read the relevant Handbook
sections.  Especially the parts that describe "The Ports and the
Packages".

If you still have questions after reading the relevant Handbook
bits, then please feel free to ask here for any details.

- Giorgos

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Re: CVSup doubts

2005-11-26 Thread Efren Bravo
Jason, David, Chen and the others, !=Chris,  
  
I don't lose my time to answering him because I
wouldn't have time to read the CVSup man pages as
Chris suggests, jajajajaja  
  
thanks for your help


 --- Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> vizion wrote:
> > 
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Efren
> Bravo
> >>Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:39 AM
> >>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >>Subject: CVSup doubts
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I'm trying to configure CVSup to download
> only
> >>ports but I've several doubts about it. I
> took
> >>/usr/share/examples/ports-supfile file.
> (freeBSD
> >>6.0 RELEASE-i386)
> >>
> >>1- When I update a specific port, only is
> updated
> >>his skeleton or his binary files are
> downloaded
> >>too?
> >>
> >>2- For instance if I'm just interested in
> >>updating  /usr/ports/net ports, do I do it
> >>commenting the ports-all line and comment out
> >>ports-net line?
> >>
> >>3- I don't have the /usr/ports/net-im folder,
> Can
> >>I add the line ports-net-im, to download his
> >>content?
> 
> I STONGLY suggest you read the handbook. Then,
> read it again.
> Then once more for good measure.
> 
> CVS is NOT hard IF you take the time to READ
> and LEARN.
> 
> If however you don't want to take the time to
> read, learn and understand
> - then stick with the packages.
> 
> You are the type of user that will download a
> tarball, try to install
> it, then complain that it don't work. Never
> mind the fact that you have
> packages and ports.
> 
> You will be the user that EXPECTS everything
> you download, to run
> automagically without an ounce of knowledge of
> how to use the powerfull
> OS and it's tools you seemed to have muddled
> through installing, right
> at your fingertips.
> 
> I hate users looking for the shortcuts.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Chris
> 
> Real programmers don't eat muffins.
> 


Efren Bravo.



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Re: CVSup doubts

2005-11-26 Thread Jason C. Wells

Chris wrote:


I hate users looking for the shortcuts.


Funny. I didn't see that at all in the original email.  What I saw was a 
genuine misunderstanding.


He was asking about using CVSUP to track ports on a one by one basis. 
What he didn't understand is that a person really wants to CVSUP the 
whole ports tree.  It's a fair misunderstanding if one starts with an 
FTP-ish RPM-ish mindset.  John Chen's answer was appropriate.


To Efren I add the following.  You may also want to read up on 'refuse' 
files as documented in the cvsup(1) man page.  I don't recommend using 
them though.


Later,
Jason
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Re: CVSup doubts

2005-11-26 Thread Chris
vizion wrote:
> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Efren Bravo
>>Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:39 AM
>>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>>Subject: CVSup doubts
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm trying to configure CVSup to download only
>>ports but I've several doubts about it. I took
>>/usr/share/examples/ports-supfile file. (freeBSD
>>6.0 RELEASE-i386)
>>
>>1- When I update a specific port, only is updated
>>his skeleton or his binary files are downloaded
>>too?
>>
>>2- For instance if I'm just interested in
>>updating  /usr/ports/net ports, do I do it
>>commenting the ports-all line and comment out
>>ports-net line?
>>
>>3- I don't have the /usr/ports/net-im folder, Can
>>I add the line ports-net-im, to download his
>>content?

I STONGLY suggest you read the handbook. Then, read it again.
Then once more for good measure.

CVS is NOT hard IF you take the time to READ and LEARN.

If however you don't want to take the time to read, learn and understand
- then stick with the packages.

You are the type of user that will download a tarball, try to install
it, then complain that it don't work. Never mind the fact that you have
packages and ports.

You will be the user that EXPECTS everything you download, to run
automagically without an ounce of knowledge of how to use the powerfull
OS and it's tools you seemed to have muddled through installing, right
at your fingertips.

I hate users looking for the shortcuts.


-- 
Best regards,
Chris

Real programmers don't eat muffins.
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RE: CVSup doubts

2005-11-26 Thread vizion


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Efren Bravo
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:39 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: CVSup doubts
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to configure CVSup to download only
> ports but I've several doubts about it. I took
> /usr/share/examples/ports-supfile file. (freeBSD
> 6.0 RELEASE-i386)
> 
> 1- When I update a specific port, only is updated
> his skeleton or his binary files are downloaded
> too?
> 
> 2- For instance if I'm just interested in
> updating  /usr/ports/net ports, do I do it
> commenting the ports-all line and comment out
> ports-net line?
> 
> 3- I don't have the /usr/ports/net-im folder, Can
> I add the line ports-net-im, to download his
> content?
> 
FWIW I suggest you keep the whole collection because once you have it set up
it does not take much time to keep the collection up to date because the
ports does not include the pkg.

david

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Re: CVSup doubts

2005-11-25 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 07:38:34PM +0100, Efren Bravo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to configure CVSup to download only
> ports but I've several doubts about it. I took
> /usr/share/examples/ports-supfile file. (freeBSD
> 6.0 RELEASE-i386)
>   
> 1- When I update a specific port, only is updated
> his skeleton or his binary files are downloaded
> too?  

Only the ports skeleton is updated. If you want to update/upgrade
your installed ports, you have to use something like
sysutils/portupgrade.

> 2- For instance if I'm just interested in
> updating  /usr/ports/net ports, do I do it
> commenting the ports-all line and comment out
> ports-net line?  
>
> 3- I don't have the /usr/ports/net-im folder, Can
> I add the line ports-net-im, to download his
> content?

It's always safer to use ports-all, as most ports have dependencies on
ports outside its immediate tree. If you don't update all dependancies
you almost always have trouble building your desired port.

Cheers.
-- 
Jonathan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
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specialisation is for insects"
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