Re: GPL version 4
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:38:35AM -0500, Richard M Stallman wrote: > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be > freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. > > You have it right. Copyleft licenses defend freedom for all users by > stopping middlemen from stripping it away. > > We have no plans for a version 4 of the GNU GPL. > It might happen some day, but we are not working on it. > As of now, we do not need to change GPL version 3. Thank you for clarifying this. AFAICS, FreeBSD tries to stick to GPLv2 GNU tools in the base system (ports has more recent versions of course) and tries to avoid GPLv3 for now. Yet another license right now would only complicate matters even more. ;-) Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: GPL version 4
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:38:35AM -0500, Richard M Stallman wrote: > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be > freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. > > You have it right. Copyleft licenses defend freedom for all users by > stopping middlemen from stripping it away. Please don't spam the FreeBSD list with such propaganda. That's a personal request -- I don't pretend to speak for the entire list. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Naguib Mahfouz: "You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions." pgpLtf1ZL6ztQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GPL version 4
I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. You have it right. Copyleft licenses defend freedom for all users by stopping middlemen from stripping it away. We have no plans for a version 4 of the GNU GPL. It might happen some day, but we are not working on it. As of now, we do not need to change GPL version 3. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: GPL version 4
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:12:40AM +1300, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
> valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> >On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said:
> >
> >
> >>I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the
> >>users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been
> >>fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of
> >>terms the GPLv3 provides.
> >>
> >
> >You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world
> >view,
> >it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom.
> >
> >
>
> I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be
> freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom.
If so, it's a failure.
I think I still have a stack of Ubuntu CDs that I cannot legally
distribute because I don't have the source, and I don't know exactly
where to find it, either.
My "freedom" to use Kororaa Linux with all its multimedia support was
severely curtailed by GNU/FSF legal threats -- and, while I don't
actually care to use Kororaa personally, that doesn't change the fact
that my freedom to make that decision for myself has been somewhat
damaged.
The problem is that Stallman and friends have very strange notions about
what constitutes "freedom" -- strange, but all too common.
--
Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
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Re: GPL version 4
Please. The GPL v4 mail was started by a troll. I am surprised that anyone from the linux camp was taken in and keeps feeding the troll. There's no GPL v4 (yet) and anyone who thinks there is, is a moron. Now, can we leave a dead thread dead? Zombies should be exterminated on sight. Brainz.. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0&feature=related ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: GPL version 4
moving m...@openbsd.org to Bcc Please do not post discussions of GPL politics to OpenBSD mailing lists. You know we have different views, so cross-posting is pure trolling. -d On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: > > > > > > > I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the > > > users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been > > > fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of > > > terms the GPLv3 provides. > > > > > > > You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world > > view, > > it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. > > > > > > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely > available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. > > regards > > Mark > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: GPL version 4
Marco Peereboom wrote: All this GPL blah blah is a huge waste of time. It comes down to this; nearly everyone on this list thinks that the GPL is criminally stupid so stop trying to convince people here that it does not suck dog ass. Lets not have this retarded debate again, *we* know *you* are wrong, end of story. LOL - sorry Marco, I was replying for the benefit of folks on the Ubuntu list ... I didn't notice the huge collection of *other* lists in the cc (I'm guessing you are *not* on the Ubuntu list). Of course, you are free to dislike the GPL in all its forms... regards Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: GPL version 4
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of terms the GPLv3 provides. You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world view, it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. regards Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
