Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
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Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
--As of April 8, 2011 3:50:52 PM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have said: You seem to fail to realize that it's possible to CC someone who isn't on the list, but not CC someone who *is* on the list. That would be why people who aren't members of the list say thinks like "please CC me", while people who are members occasionally say "please don't send duplicates to me". --As for the rest, it is mine. Of course that's hard to keep track of, and a manual process on the part of the persons sending the messages. ;) (And if it's not mentioned in the specific email you are replying to, you either have to rely on memory or guess.) I've seen a variety of other solutions to this. Some mailing lists programs will even check to see if the message has been sent to you directly, and if so avoid sending another copy to you. Usually that's an option, and I tend to turn it off: It just means my filters don't work on the message I get. If you have an email client that supports it, there is one good way to reliably indicate your preference: The 'Reply-To:' header. I set mine to the mailing list when sending to the list. Nearly all mail clients will then automatically send replies to that address. Of course, that only works if I have a mail client that lets me set that header independently. My at-home client does, but I also access my email over webmail. The webmail program technically can do it, but it's interface is *very* poor. (Squirrelmail: It allows it via profiles, but all profiles are named by the sender address, unchangeable. For this use-case, the sending address is the same for all profiles.) And while *most* email clients support replies to the Reply-To address, not all do. Nor does it help if people are habitually hitting reply-all. Still, I find setting the Reply-To address works better than most of the other options. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but then neither does anything else. (Including address rewriting by the mailing list.) So, if getting two copies is annoying you, try it. You'll at least have made your preference known, without imposing it on others as their preference. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
Hi, On Saturday 09 April 2011 05:46:43 Carmel wrote: > On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:50:52 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > The solution to this problem is so obvious that I am amazed that no one this is a solution which creates just new problems. > has proposed it. Simply require the poster to be subscribed to the > list. Other high quality lists, such as but not limited to Postfix have > that requirement in place. If a potential poster is either too stupid > or too lazy to subscribe then that is their problem. For the record, I > have subscribed to lists before simple to post one question. Upon > receiving an answer, I terminated my subscription. I did not feel the > least bit inconvenienced. You did not, but the rest of us would have. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
Can we just drop this matter? It's bad enough that iPhone mail makes this whole ordeal a pain in the butt to read, but in the grand scheme of things, it _just doesn't matter_. I'm subscribed to the list, I expect lots of email from the list that I probably won't read anyway, but at least it's helpful to someone, somehow. My 2 cents. -Alex___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:50:52 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 11:15:11PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 01:11:52PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > > > > > > section 8.6 starts: > > > > > > > > start quote > > > > Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the > > > > sender and to FreeBSD-questions. > > > > end quote > > > > > > I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do > > > *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have > > > yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to > > > the mail from the list. > > > > > > I consider "not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to > > > the list" a "good reason to do otherwise". > > > > You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to > > this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies > > directed only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule > > exists. > > You seem to fail to realize that it's possible to CC someone who > isn't on the list, but not CC someone who *is* on the list. That > would be why people who aren't members of the list say thinks like > "please CC me", while people who are members occasionally say "please > don't send duplicates to me". The solution to this problem is so obvious that I am amazed that no one has proposed it. Simply require the poster to be subscribed to the list. Other high quality lists, such as but not limited to Postfix have that requirement in place. If a potential poster is either too stupid or too lazy to subscribe then that is their problem. For the record, I have subscribed to lists before simple to post one question. Upon receiving an answer, I terminated my subscription. I did not feel the least bit inconvenienced. -- Carmel ✌ carmel...@hotmail.com Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 23:15:11 +0200 Erik Trulsson wrote: > You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to > this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies > directed only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule > exists. I don't know about anyone else, but personally I like getting replies CC'd to me because they end up in my INBOX - otherwise I often don't notice someone's replied since there are so many new messages to the mailing list each day. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 11:15:11PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 01:11:52PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > > > > section 8.6 starts: > > > > > > start quote > > > Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and > > > to FreeBSD-questions. > > > end quote > > > > I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* > > need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see > > anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the > > list. > > > > I consider "not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the > > list" a "good reason to do otherwise". > > You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to > this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies directed > only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule exists. You seem to fail to realize that it's possible to CC someone who isn't on the list, but not CC someone who *is* on the list. That would be why people who aren't members of the list say thinks like "please CC me", while people who are members occasionally say "please don't send duplicates to me". -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp101GD1lTqR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 01:11:52PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > > section 8.6 starts: > > > > start quote > > Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and > > to FreeBSD-questions. > > end quote > > I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* > need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see > anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the > list. > > I consider "not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the > list" a "good reason to do otherwise". You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies directed only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule exists. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On 8 April 2011 16:10, Carmel wrote: > By the way, did you notice I directed a polite, one sentence directive > towards Odhiambo. Suddenly, every buttinsky crawls out of the woodwork, > sans any factual input on my original post and hijacks this thread Maybe you would be better served by not using a _public_ mailing list if you don't want other people to reply to your _public_ postings. Just a hint. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On 8 April 2011 20:28, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 08:30:25PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 8 Apr 2011 20:25, "Chad Perrin" wrote: >> > >> > I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do >> > *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet >> > to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail >> > from the list. >> >> While you make a valid point, how would one complain about not >> receiving an email? > > Did you overlook the words "in addition to the mail from the list"? > My bad... Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:11:52 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > > section 8.6 starts: > > > > start quote > > Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender > > and to FreeBSD-questions. > > end quote > > I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do > *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet > to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail > from the list. > > I consider "not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the > list" a "good reason to do otherwise". Chad, it is common sense thinking like that, that will inevitable get you chastised. By the way, did you notice I directed a polite, one sentence directive towards Odhiambo. Suddenly, every buttinsky crawls out of the woodwork, sans any factual input on my original post and hijacks this thread championing their own views on replying to posts. I have no problem with that as long as they start a new thread, being sure to CC each other and thereby waste their time discussing it among themselves. To hijack another thread displays no only their lack of basic posting etiquette, but their narcissism. It is a shame when individuals like, but not limited to, Maciej Milewski, Chuck Swiger, Bryan H. and even Odhiambo contribute useful information only to be over shadowed by those other morons. Absolutely pathetic. I was going to CC all those who argued so feverishly in favor of the protocol, but then common sense and plain decency got the better of me. -- Carmel ✌ carmel...@hotmail.com Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 12:34:24PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > > +1 (I replied, cluttering up inboxes all over freebsdland) You didn't CC me directly, though, for which I'm grateful. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpnTlZSkroSX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 08:30:25PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > On 8 Apr 2011 20:25, "Chad Perrin" wrote: > > > > I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do > > *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet > > to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail > > from the list. > > While you make a valid point, how would one complain about not > receiving an email? Did you overlook the words "in addition to the mail from the list"? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpcoeKOP9rLr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
Quoth Chad Perrin on Friday, 08 April 2011: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > > section 8.6 starts: > > > > start quote > > Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and > > to FreeBSD-questions. > > end quote > > I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* > need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see > anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the > list. > > I consider "not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the > list" a "good reason to do otherwise". > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] +1 (I replied, cluttering up inboxes all over freebsdland) -- .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..o | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgp0LfZmUcK7u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On 8 Apr 2011 20:25, "Chad Perrin" wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > > section 8.6 starts: > > > > start quote > > Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and > > to FreeBSD-questions. > > end quote > > I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* > need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see > anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the > list. While you make a valid point, how would one complain about not receiving an email? Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > > section 8.6 starts: > > start quote > Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and > to FreeBSD-questions. > end quote I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. I consider "not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the list" a "good reason to do otherwise". -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpaRGrvGSRLO.pgp Description: PGP signature
