Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
On Oct 18, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Eirik Øverby wrote: Adaptec AAC-2410SA 4-Port S-ATA RAID Controller This one is gonna be tricky on you, I think. Should work fine. I was using a 2200S, which uses the same aac driver under 5-CURRENT on amd64 a while back before I downgraded to i386 version. And I have a 2410SA (same aac driver) working on an i386 machine with 5.2.1 or something like that :-) now. I know that that is not a 64bit machine but according to Scott Long sometime back, the aac driver is 64 bit clean. Maybe the asr driver is not 64bit ok but the aac one seems to be fine Chad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 00:57 -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Oct 18, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Eirik Øverby wrote: Adaptec AAC-2410SA 4-Port S-ATA RAID Controller This one is gonna be tricky on you, I think. Should work fine. I was using a 2200S, which uses the same aac driver under 5-CURRENT on amd64 a while back before I downgraded to i386 version. Sorry, my mistake. That doesn't help my feeling that most Adaptec IDE RAID controllers are, in my experience (YMMV, and please excuse my language), utter crap, though. Highpoint, 3Ware, and even Promise are lightyears ahead when it comes to stability, supportability and performance (mainly due to the Adaptecs having a nasty tendency to spew interrupts like mad, making the system (interrupt) load go berzerk during heavy disk I/O). And I have a 2410SA (same aac driver) working on an i386 machine with 5.2.1 or something like that :-) now. I know that that is not a 64bit machine but according to Scott Long sometime back, the aac driver is 64 bit clean. Maybe the asr driver is not 64bit ok but the aac one seems to be fine The asr is most definitely not ;) Chad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-amd64 To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
On Oct 19, 2004, at 2:17 AM, Eirik Oeverby wrote: On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 00:57 -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Oct 18, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Eirik Øverby wrote: Adaptec AAC-2410SA 4-Port S-ATA RAID Controller This one is gonna be tricky on you, I think. Should work fine. I was using a 2200S, which uses the same aac driver under 5-CURRENT on amd64 a while back before I downgraded to i386 version. Sorry, my mistake. That doesn't help my feeling that most Adaptec IDE RAID controllers are, in my experience (YMMV, and please excuse my language), utter crap, though. Highpoint, 3Ware, and even Promise are lightyears ahead when it comes to stability, supportability and performance (mainly due to the Adaptecs having a nasty tendency to spew interrupts like mad, making the system (interrupt) load go berzerk during heavy disk I/O). This has not been my experience. I have been running the 2100S (asr) on i386 under 4.x for years now and they are rock solid very high performing cards in my experience. My lesser experience with the 2200S (aac) also shows it to be high performing and solid, though my boxes with 2200S and 2410SA are still in test mode. I don't work for adaptec and am sometimes even greatly annoyed by them, but their cards have served me well. I must say I am interested in the Highpoint 1820A SATA raid card though. Anyone use that one and is it bootable under i386 or amd64? Thanks Chad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
Hoi there,
I don't see any problems, except . browse down
On 18. Oct 2004, at 21:19, Communications Machine wrote:
Hey all, looking to upgrade a server used in a small business here,
looking
for opinions and advice about migrating to an AMD64 system, vs. using
i386
box, also if it would not be just as feasible to use i386 distribution
on
AMD64 hardware simply for the speed?
Here's what we've got now, and have been running for a few years
without
fail; just things getting a little slow to keep-up with things now:
AMD K62 - 300mhz CPU
768 Megs RAM
60GB ATA-133 and 80GB ATA-133 Drive attached to Promise TX2 Controller
(no
raid)
System serves as:
- mailserver (sendmail/pop3/spamd/mimedefang with custom filters)
- webserver ('standard' apache serving mostly static pages)
- application server (apache/mod_perl mostly, lot of custom apps)
- squid proxy server/gateway using authentication and custom
logging
- samba server for workgroup, not primary fileserver but used
quite a
bit
- MySQL server *** several databases nearing couple hundred megs
worth
of data, queries starting to take longer than ever before...
- FTP server, (combined with http/upload virtually hosted site),
operates as place for customers/vendors to drop/receive data - used
quite
frequently, but for mostly sub 1gb files
- many custom apps, mostly written in PERL, which process data via
cronjobs, etc.
Here's what we're proposing for the new hardware:
AMD Athlon64 - 3200+ (Socket 754 - I know, but it's cheap)
MSI K8T-FSR (VIA Chipset)
Adaptec AAC-2410SA 4-Port S-ATA RAID Controller
This one is gonna be tricky on you, I think. The driver used for most
Adaptec RAID controllers (IDE and SCSI alike) isn't currently working
on amd64 (in 64-bit mode, that is). I have repeatedly asked if anyone
will step up to the task and fix that, as I have an Adaptec
Zero-Channel RAID add-on-board for my dual opteron just collecting dust
at the moment, but the general answer is 'no time'... Too bad.
Then again, I have nothing but really REALLY bad experiences with
Adaptec IDE RAID solutions, so perhaps you should choose differently
there.. Most all the others are supported, and supported well afaik.
/Eirik
(4) Seagate 200GB S-ATA Drives to be configured RAID 5
2048MB DDR400 Non-ECC RAM
DVD-ROM, floppy, etc...
Just wondering if we should maintain i386/4.9 distribution and wait
for the
AMD64 platform to mature further into stability as the releases
progress...
or to jump on the FreeBSD 5.x.x bandwagon and go with a native AMD64
platform; so long as we can run Apache/mod_perl + mysql, things should
be
all good... or not?
Any advice, suggestions (hardware or software) would be greatly
appreciated,
please either CC the list and reply, or vice-versa as we are not
directly
subscribed to the mailing list for -questions, only for amd64 -
thank-you.
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Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware? (sources?)
Thanx for the advice, we had actually chosen a 3 Ware Escalade 8500-series
S-ATA controller, but have been unable to locate a dealer for the product
locally (or online) with a good price; thus the fall-back to Adaptec. Lots
of eBay-ers' selling them, but no one has retail versions, only OEM lacking
the required cable kits... any help here? Anyone know-of / have / are a good
source for these boards? Need basic RAID 5 functionality with best support
possible, at a sub $500 pricetag for 4 channel serial ATA...
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From: Eirik Øverby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on
AMD64 hardware?
Hoi there,
I don't see any problems, except . browse down
On 18. Oct 2004, at 21:19, Communications Machine wrote:
Hey all, looking to upgrade a server used in a small business here,
looking
for opinions and advice about migrating to an AMD64 system, vs. using
i386
box, also if it would not be just as feasible to use i386 distribution
on
AMD64 hardware simply for the speed?
Here's what we've got now, and have been running for a few years
without
fail; just things getting a little slow to keep-up with things now:
AMD K62 - 300mhz CPU
768 Megs RAM
60GB ATA-133 and 80GB ATA-133 Drive attached to Promise TX2 Controller
(no
raid)
System serves as:
- mailserver (sendmail/pop3/spamd/mimedefang with custom filters)
- webserver ('standard' apache serving mostly static pages)
- application server (apache/mod_perl mostly, lot of custom apps)
- squid proxy server/gateway using authentication and custom
logging
- samba server for workgroup, not primary fileserver but used
quite a
bit
- MySQL server *** several databases nearing couple hundred megs
worth
of data, queries starting to take longer than ever before...
- FTP server, (combined with http/upload virtually hosted site),
operates as place for customers/vendors to drop/receive data - used
quite
frequently, but for mostly sub 1gb files
- many custom apps, mostly written in PERL, which process data via
cronjobs, etc.
Here's what we're proposing for the new hardware:
AMD Athlon64 - 3200+ (Socket 754 - I know, but it's cheap)
MSI K8T-FSR (VIA Chipset)
Adaptec AAC-2410SA 4-Port S-ATA RAID Controller
This one is gonna be tricky on you, I think. The driver used for most
Adaptec RAID controllers (IDE and SCSI alike) isn't currently working
on amd64 (in 64-bit mode, that is). I have repeatedly asked if anyone
will step up to the task and fix that, as I have an Adaptec
Zero-Channel RAID add-on-board for my dual opteron just collecting dust
at the moment, but the general answer is 'no time'... Too bad.
Then again, I have nothing but really REALLY bad experiences with
Adaptec IDE RAID solutions, so perhaps you should choose differently
there.. Most all the others are supported, and supported well afaik.
/Eirik
(4) Seagate 200GB S-ATA Drives to be configured RAID 5
2048MB DDR400 Non-ECC RAM
DVD-ROM, floppy, etc...
Just wondering if we should maintain i386/4.9 distribution and wait
for the
AMD64 platform to mature further into stability as the releases
progress...
or to jump on the FreeBSD 5.x.x bandwagon and go with a native AMD64
platform; so long as we can run Apache/mod_perl + mysql, things should
be
all good... or not?
Any advice, suggestions (hardware or software) would be greatly
appreciated,
please either CC the list and reply, or vice-versa as we are not
directly
subscribed to the mailing list for -questions, only for amd64 -
thank-you.
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Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:07:44PM +0200, Eirik ?verby wrote: Hey all, looking to upgrade a server used in a small business here, looking for opinions and advice about migrating to an AMD64 system, vs. using i386 box, also if it would not be just as feasible to use i386 distribution on AMD64 hardware simply for the speed? It is very feasible to run FreeBSD/i386 on AMD64 hardware. I encourage you to go ahead and move to AMD64 hardware regardless what version of FreeBSD you decide to run for now. You will get excellent performance, and you will have a 64-bit upgrade path when you decide to move 32-bit - 64-bit. Here's what we're proposing for the new hardware: AMD Athlon64 - 3200+ (Socket 754 - I know, but it's cheap) MSI K8T-FSR (VIA Chipset) Adaptec AAC-2410SA 4-Port S-ATA RAID Controller This one is gonna be tricky on you, I think. The driver used for most Adaptec RAID controllers (IDE and SCSI alike) isn't currently working on amd64 (in 64-bit mode, that is). I have repeatedly asked if anyone will step up to the task and fix that, You're really exaggerating here. There are two families of Adaptec RAID controllers -- aac and asr. 'aac' family controllers are quite popular and are the higher performing of the two families. The AAC-2410SA 4-Port S-ATA RAID Controller uses the aac(4) driver and the driver very much works on 64-bit machines. as I have an Adaptec Zero-Channel RAID add-on-board for my dual opteron just collecting dust at the moment, but the general answer is 'no time'... Too bad. The Adaptec Zero-channel products are from the other product family. That particular driver has issues. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 03:19:40PM -0400, Communications Machine wrote: Here's what we're proposing for the new hardware: AMD Athlon64 - 3200+ (Socket 754 - I know, but it's cheap) MSI K8T-FSR (VIA Chipset) 2048MB DDR400 Non-ECC RAM In my experience trying to put more than 1GB RAM in a socket-754 mainboard is asking for trouble. This type of board is incredibly picky about its memory, especially when using more than two DIMMs. An Opteron platform may be a better choice here. -- Francois Tigeot ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
Francois Tigeot wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 03:19:40PM -0400, Communications Machine wrote: Here's what we're proposing for the new hardware: AMD Athlon64 - 3200+ (Socket 754 - I know, but it's cheap) MSI K8T-FSR (VIA Chipset) 2048MB DDR400 Non-ECC RAM In my experience trying to put more than 1GB RAM in a socket-754 mainboard is asking for trouble. This type of board is incredibly picky about its memory, especially when using more than two DIMMs. An Opteron platform may be a better choice here. Yes Toms hardware has an article on this: http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040112/index.html They say that only 3 out of 10 of the socket 754 mainboards worked with more than one DIMM. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:01:21AM +0200, Francois Tigeot wrote: Here's what we're proposing for the new hardware: AMD Athlon64 - 3200+ (Socket 754 - I know, but it's cheap) MSI K8T-FSR (VIA Chipset) 2048MB DDR400 Non-ECC RAM In my experience trying to put more than 1GB RAM in a socket-754 mainboard is asking for trouble. This type of board is incredibly picky about its memory, especially when using more than two DIMMs. PC3200 by chance? DDR400 is has very close tolerances. I can easily used 3x PC2700 DIMMs in my socket-754 boards (that have 3 DIMM slots). The real message though, is to use DIMMs recommended by your motherboard manufacturer vs. what ever random crap RAM is in sale on pricewatch.com. If you do that, you can have 2048MB of DDR400 memory in an Athlon64 machine. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Upgrade feasibility, to AMD64/5.x.x or to stay i386/4.9 on AMD64 hardware?
it was said: Here's what we're proposing for the new hardware: AMD Athlon64 - 3200+ (Socket 754 - I know, but it's cheap) MSI K8T-FSR (VIA Chipset) 2048MB DDR400 Non-ECC RAM In my experience trying to put more than 1GB RAM in a socket-754 mainboard is asking for trouble. This type of board is incredibly picky about its memory, especially when using more than two DIMMs. Yes Toms hardware has an article on this: http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040112/index.html They say that only 3 out of 10 of the socket 754 mainboards worked with more than one DIMM. Hello, I have two servers running the MSI K8T. Both have 2 DDR400 ECC DIMMS from Kingston. I have not seen this issue. I wasn't even aware of it until now. I can't remember what the timings are, but they are whatever the manufacturer recommended - as I said, these are servers. But I do know that the BIOS date is either April or May, not 24OCT03 as in the article. Maybe it's been fixed in the MSI BIOS. While the information in the article is nine months old, therefore of questionable value today, it does give very good advice: Check your vendor's return policy. HTH, Stheg ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
