Re: Support for hard drives > 2 TB?

2010-12-04 Thread krad
On 4 December 2010 07:44,  wrote:

> Bruce Cran  wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:12:58 -0600
> > Josh Paetzel  wrote:
> > > ...  The caveat is that very few systems have a BIOS that can
> > > boot from a GPT labeled drive.  So regardless of your OS, you
> > > may still have issues.
> > That's why we have the Protective MBR that allows a 'legacy' BIOS
> > to boot from GPT. I'm not sure if you can boot past the 2TB point
> > with it though.
>
> although why anyone would need a root partition > 2TB escapes me :)
>
> If they did, they could always make a small /boot partition near the
> beginning of the disk; BIOS will surely not need to read anything
> that's not on /boot.
>
> Another possible downside:  if you want to multi-boot, the other OS
> may also need to understand both GPT and PMBR.
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maybe is you were using zfs
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Re: Support for hard drives > 2 TB?

2010-12-04 Thread Bruce Cran
On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 23:44:22 -0800
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

> Another possible downside:  if you want to multi-boot, the other OS
> may also need to understand both GPT and PMBR.

That can be a big problem actually: I'd heard that Windows 7 supported
GPT so I recently tried to install it. It turns out that it only
supports booting from GPT via an EFI firmware, not using the PMBR and a
legacy BIOS.

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Re: Support for hard drives > 2 TB?

2010-12-03 Thread perryh
Bruce Cran  wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:12:58 -0600
> Josh Paetzel  wrote:
> > ...  The caveat is that very few systems have a BIOS that can
> > boot from a GPT labeled drive.  So regardless of your OS, you
> > may still have issues.
> That's why we have the Protective MBR that allows a 'legacy' BIOS
> to boot from GPT. I'm not sure if you can boot past the 2TB point
> with it though.

although why anyone would need a root partition > 2TB escapes me :)

If they did, they could always make a small /boot partition near the
beginning of the disk; BIOS will surely not need to read anything
that's not on /boot.

Another possible downside:  if you want to multi-boot, the other OS
may also need to understand both GPT and PMBR.
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Re: Support for hard drives > 2 TB?

2010-12-03 Thread Bruce Cran
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:12:58 -0600
Josh Paetzel  wrote:

> Sure.  FreeBSD supports installing to and booting from GPT labeled
> disks that don't suffer from the 2TB size limitation that fdisk
> imposes.  The caveat is that very few systems have a BIOS that can
> boot from a GPT labeled drive.  So regardless of your OS, you may
> still have issues.

That's why we have the Protective MBR that allows a 'legacy' BIOS to
boot from GPT. I'm not sure if you can boot past the 2TB point with it
though.

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Re: Support for hard drives > 2 TB?

2010-12-03 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Friday, December 03, 2010 06:00:29 am Thomas Mueller wrote:
> Can FreeBSD be successfully installed, and run, on all or part of a hard
> drive > 2 TB?  Sector size would be 4 KB, though I think the hard-drive
> firmware can make sector size look like 512 bytes.  I know fdisk can
> handle up to 2 TB; this limit is not just for BSD but Linux too.
> 
> Western Digital has come out with a SATA hard drive of 3 TB.
> 
> Tom

Sure.  FreeBSD supports installing to and booting from GPT labeled disks that 
don't suffer from the 2TB size limitation that fdisk imposes.  The caveat is 
that very few systems have a BIOS that can boot from a GPT labeled drive.  So 
regardless of your OS, you may still have issues.

It's worth noting that RAID arrays have been larger than 2 TB for years, and 
the way RAID cards have gotten around the issue is to carve off a chunk of the 
array and present it to the OS as a small boot LUN.

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Re: Support for hard drives > 2 TB?

2010-12-03 Thread Bruce Cran
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:13:56 -0500
Chris Brennan  wrote:

> I don't believe their is one that isn't green. Even Tigerdirect lists
> the 3TB model as green. It also lists every model >1.5TB to be green
> as well 

According to http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=100 there
are Caviar Black drives up to 2TB.

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Re: Support for hard drives > 2 TB?

2010-12-03 Thread Chris Brennan
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Sam Fourman Jr.  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Thomas Mueller
>  wrote:
> > Can FreeBSD be successfully installed, and run, on all or part of a hard
> drive > 2 TB?  Sector size would be 4 KB, though I think the hard-drive
> firmware can make sector size look like 512 bytes.  I know fdisk can handle
> up to 2 TB; this limit is not just for BSD but Linux too.
> >
> > Western Digital has come out with a SATA hard drive of 3 TB.
> >
> > Tom
>
> just curious if there is a 3TB disk that is NOT green.. I can only
> find the green version on newegg.com
>
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>

I don't believe their is one that isn't green. Even Tigerdirect lists the
3TB model as green. It also lists every model >1.5TB to be green as well
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Re: Support for hard drives > 2 TB?

2010-12-03 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Thomas Mueller
 wrote:
> Can FreeBSD be successfully installed, and run, on all or part of a hard 
> drive > 2 TB?  Sector size would be 4 KB, though I think the hard-drive 
> firmware can make sector size look like 512 bytes.  I know fdisk can handle 
> up to 2 TB; this limit is not just for BSD but Linux too.
>
> Western Digital has come out with a SATA hard drive of 3 TB.
>
> Tom

just curious if there is a 3TB disk that is NOT green.. I can only
find the green version on newegg.com

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