Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Polytropon 
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:45:54 -0700, Yuri wrote:
> On 11/02/2011 16:30, Adam Vande More wrote:
> > You seem to have a terrible habit of skipping all the important details. 
> 
> Oh no, I read all your messages. The second video, you said, works for 
> you with the flashblock. But not for me though. Flashblock didn't change 
> anything for me. .by movie has a workaround of changing the user for me.

I just wanted to let you know that both videos you've
mentioned in your initial post do play here. I have
OS 8.2-STABLE of August 2011, x86 version, and I'm
using those installed packages:

opera-11.50
opera-linuxplugins-11.50
linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5
nspluginwrapper-1.4.4
swfdec-plugin-0.8.2_3

Then I did exactly follow the text of the handbook. It
doesn't work in Firefox here (as due to some obscure GPU
fault, running FF freezes the machine), but it works
totally fine in Opera, as expected.



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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Yuri 

On 11/02/2011 16:30, Adam Vande More wrote:
You seem to have a terrible habit of skipping all the important details. 


Oh no, I read all your messages. The second video, you said, works for 
you with the flashblock. But not for me though. Flashblock didn't change 
anything for me. .by movie has a workaround of changing the user for me.


I will be trying to determine what is exactly the dependency on the home 
dir with DTrace.


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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Adam Vande More 
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Yuri  wrote:

>  Workaround for only one by changing the user, and the other one just
> doesn't work for any user.
>
>
You seem to have a terrible habit of skipping all the important details.



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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Yuri 

On 11/02/2011 15:33, Adam Vande More wrote:
In regards to the second, I just tried it on a new clean install of 9 
RC 1 and it didn't work.  However it worked after I installed 
flashblock.  There seems to be a least one secondary flash object on 
that page which prevents the video from playing.  However, I will add 
on rare occasion I've found a video like this and it actually will 
play eventually, perhaps after hours of waiting.  I think the reason 
for this is that the linuxulator doesn't perfectly emulate Linux 
system calls, and when you run flash that which targets these system 
calls, the npviewer cannot proceed until those calls are finished.  In 
those cases, quite a bit of time can elapse until those faulty 
syscalls end hence the very long delay before video playback.


That's just a theory, and I'm happy to be proven wrong.  Or even 
better, proven right and fixed.  In the meantime, you now have 
workarounds for both videos.  I'm sure you can get the bottom of the 
trouble with first video with some tenacity, as the problem must exist 
in your home directory.


Workaround for only one by changing the user, and the other one just 
doesn't work for any user.


It would be easier to have standalone nspluginplayer working, but it 
doesn't. Do you know why it doesn't work as it used to?

Command
nspluginplayer type=application/x-shockwave-flash 
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvCMN2gfyzE";

for example fails to show video for me too for all users.

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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Adam Vande More 
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Yuri  wrote:

>  On 11/02/2011 14:19, Adam Vande More wrote:
>
> It comes from the rest of the instructions section, namely
> "nspluginwrapper -v -a -i".
>
>
> Sorry I missed this one.
>
> Now, after this is done and ~/.mozilla/plugins are identical for both
> users, my new user shows this link
> http://belapan.by/archive/2009/07/10/media_yakubovich fine, but the old
> user has the same problem as before.
> And this link
> http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/11/01/greek-referendum-disappoints-markets?videoId=224096981&videoChannel=2602both
>  of them don't show at all. (pressing the arrow doesn't play any video)
>

Well we can then say there is something in your home directory preventing
the first video from playing.  Perhaps some type of flash setting, I don't
know.

In regards to the second, I just tried it on a new clean install of 9 RC 1
and it didn't work.  However it worked after I installed flashblock.  There
seems to be a least one secondary flash object on that page which prevents
the video from playing.  However, I will add on rare occasion I've found a
video like this and it actually will play eventually, perhaps after hours
of waiting.  I think the reason for this is that the linuxulator doesn't
perfectly emulate Linux system calls, and when you run flash that which
targets these system calls, the npviewer cannot proceed until those calls
are finished.  In those cases, quite a bit of time can elapse until those
faulty syscalls end hence the very long delay before video playback.

That's just a theory, and I'm happy to be proven wrong.  Or even better,
proven right and fixed.  In the meantime, you now have workarounds for both
videos.  I'm sure you can get the bottom of the trouble with first video
with some tenacity, as the problem must exist in your home directory.


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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Yuri 

On 11/02/2011 14:19, Adam Vande More wrote:
It comes from the rest of the instructions section, namely 
"nspluginwrapper -v -a -i".


Sorry I missed this one.

Now, after this is done and ~/.mozilla/plugins are identical for both 
users, my new user shows this link 
http://belapan.by/archive/2009/07/10/media_yakubovich fine, but the old 
user has the same problem as before.
And this link 
http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/11/01/greek-referendum-disappoints-markets?videoId=224096981&videoChannel=2602 
 
both of them don't show at all. (pressing the arrow doesn't play any video)


Yuri
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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Adam Vande More 
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Yuri  wrote:

>  On 11/02/2011 11:42, Adam Vande More wrote:
>
> Can you try creating a new user, and under that user install flash per the
> handbook.  That should at least tell if it's some local user settings
> causing the issue.
>
>
> When I create the new user, flash in FF doesn't work at all. Instructions
> from http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html (*Under
> FreeBSD 8.X*) are followed.
> symlink /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/libflashplayer.so ->
> /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so exists.
> Also packages
> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4
> linux-f10-flashplugin-11.0r1.152
> are installed.
>
> The reason why flash works in my main user is that ~/.mozilla/plugins/
> npwrapper.libflashplayer.so file exists there.
>
> I am not sure what this file ~/.mozilla/plugins/
> npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is and where did it come from.
>

It comes from the rest of the instructions section, namely "nspluginwrapper
-v -a -i".

So does this mean that instructions in handbook are wrong?
>

When it's followed in it's entirety, it works.

As your new user, execute "nspluginwrapper -l".  If you don't get output
similar to this:

> nspluginwrapper -l
/home/adam/.mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
  Original plugin:
/usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
  Plugin viewer: /usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer
  Wrapper version string: 1.4.4-1

then you have not followed the instructions completely.

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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Yuri 

On 11/02/2011 11:42, Adam Vande More wrote:
Can you try creating a new user, and under that user install flash per 
the handbook.  That should at least tell if it's some local user 
settings causing the issue.


When I create the new user, flash in FF doesn't work at all. 
Instructions from 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html (*Under 
FreeBSD 8.X*) are followed.
symlink /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/libflashplayer.so -> 
/usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so exists.

Also packages
nspluginwrapper-1.4.4
linux-f10-flashplugin-11.0r1.152
are installed.

The reason why flash works in my main user is that 
~/.mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so file exists there.


I am not sure what this file 
~/.mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so is and where did it come 
from.


So does this mean that instructions in handbook are wrong?

Yuri
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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Adam Vande More 
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Yuri  wrote:

> No, version 11 doesn't work on my machine either. Youtube and whatever
> worked before still works. This is still a mistery.
>
> Also nspluginplayer doesn't seem to work on any page. For example, command
> nspluginplayer type=application/x-shockwave-**flash "
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=vvCMN2gfyzE
> "
> that I think should work doesn't. Only shows the white window saying "No
> movie loaded" on the right mouse click
>

Can you try creating a new user, and under that user install flash per the
handbook.  That should at least tell if it's some local user settings
causing the issue.

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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Yuri 

On 11/01/2011 19:35, Adam Vande More wrote:
I believe you have asked this before, and the answer is still the 
same.  It works for me.


flashplayer 11 hit ports today, you could try removing 10, installing 
11 and seeing if that helps you at all.


No, version 11 doesn't work on my machine either. Youtube and whatever 
worked before still works. This is still a mistery.


Also nspluginplayer doesn't seem to work on any page. For example, command
nspluginplayer type=application/x-shockwave-flash 
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvCMN2gfyzE";
that I think should work doesn't. Only shows the white window saying "No 
movie loaded" on the right mouse click.



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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-02 Thread Jerry 
On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:27:30 -0700
Yuri articulated:

> Periodically I run into the problem that some sites don't work, for
> example:
> http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/11/01/greek-referendum-disappoints-markets?videoId=224096981&videoChannel=2602
> http://belapan.by/archive/2009/07/10/media_yakubovich -- these don't
> work in both FF and chrome.
> 
> I complained to maintainers about this before, but got no response.
> 
> Is it known what might be a problem in such cases?
> 
> linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.10
> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4
> 8.2-STABLE amd64

They don't work here either. I have heard although never gotten any
confirmation that the problem exists with the FreeBSD amd64
architecture.

Maybe you could organize a test base of both 32 and 64 bit users and
see what results they achieve. You are not likely to get any real
assistance otherwise. I first reported this over a year ago.

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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-01 Thread Jimmie James 

Periodically I run into the problem that some sites don't work, for
example:
http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/11/01/greek-referendum-disappoints-markets?videoId=224096981&videoChannel=2602
http://belapan.by/archive/2009/07/10/media_yakubovich -- these don't
work in both FF and chrome.

I complained to maintainers about this before, but got no response.

Is it known what might be a problem in such cases?

linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.10
nspluginwrapper-1.4.4
8.2-STABLE amd64

Yuri


I'm running on i386, with flashblock/adblock in my firefox, and both 
videos play fine for me in FF7, opera and midroi.


The first video is (direct link to the SWF), can you try playing it 
directly?  (sorry for such an ugly URL)


http://www.reuters.com/resources_v2/flash/loader.swf?playerURL=/resources_v2/flash/player.swf&configURL=/resources_v2/flash/config_default.xml&edition=BETAUS&videoId=224096981&videoChannel=2602&videoChannelName=Most%20Popular&videoRT=01:55&videoHeadline=Greek%20referendum%20disappoints%20markets&videoURL=http://cds1.yospace.com/access/d/u/0/1/web/type=video,fmt=any,minq=0,maxq=1,mins=1x1,maxs=640x608,minr=5,maxr=100,/27828175?f=100212513820&videoStartPos=0&videoVolume=1&videoLength=115&clickTagTV=/news/video&LCLevel1=mostpopular&LCLevel2=General&videoedition=BETAUS&adFriendly=false&pos=0&allowEmbed=1&nextVideoTitle=Your%20tax%20dollars%20at%20work%2C%20unconstitutionally&nextVideoDuration=01:32&nextVideoThumbnail=http://yospace-cds1.reuters.com/u/resize~ad1~120x120/0/f/~image_jpeg~-1/1/m/i/0/b/8/l9cd/reuters04?videoId=27806447


Sorry I can't help out, maybe as suggested try flash11. However, it 
maybe a 64bit bug, I've heard of other people having problems when using 
amd64 and flash.


linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.10 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin
firefox-7.0.1_3,1   Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla
nspluginwrapper-1.4.4 A compatibility plugin for Mozilla NPAPI plugins
opera-11.52 Blazingly fast, full-featured, standards-compliant 
browser

opera-linuxplugins-11.52 Linux plugin support for the native Opera browser
midori-0.4.1Lightweight web browser using WebKit browser engine
FreeBSD jimmiejaz.org 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Sun Jun 26 
08:42:45 EDT 2011 jim...@jimmiejaz.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FORTYTWO 
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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-01 Thread Adam Vande More 
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Conrad J. Sabatier  wrote:

> The first video does seem to have a bit of a problem.  It starts
> playing (first an advertisement, then the actual video), but then
> abrubtly stops.  I suspect the problem is with the actual file itself,
> not with the player.
>

That is not the case here.  The whole thing plays flawlessly and I see no
advertisement.  I do run flashblock, perhaps that has an effect on the
outcome.

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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-01 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier 
On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:27:30 -0700
Yuri  wrote:

> Periodically I run into the problem that some sites don't work, for
> example:
> http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/11/01/greek-referendum-disappoints-markets?videoId=224096981&videoChannel=2602
> http://belapan.by/archive/2009/07/10/media_yakubovich -- these don't
> work in both FF and chrome.
> 
> I complained to maintainers about this before, but got no response.
> 
> Is it known what might be a problem in such cases?
> 
> linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.10
> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4
> 8.2-STABLE amd64
> 
> Yuri

The first video does seem to have a bit of a problem.  It starts
playing (first an advertisement, then the actual video), but then
abrubtly stops.  I suspect the problem is with the actual file itself,
not with the player.

The second site works just fine, no problems at all.

As another writer suggests, you may want to try upgrading to the latest
version of the port, version 11.  I've been using it a couple of days
now, and it does seem to be much better overall, especially as far as
not corrupting other windows and/or the desktop.

Update your ports tree (if you use ports) and upgrade.  Or look for and
download the package from a favorite ftp site near you.  :-)

Let us know how things turn out.  Good luck!

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Re: Why some flash sites don't work?

2011-11-01 Thread Adam Vande More 
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Yuri  wrote:

> Periodically I run into the problem that some sites don't work, for
> example:
> http://www.reuters.com/video/**2011/11/01/greek-referendum-**
> disappoints-markets?videoId=**224096981&videoChannel=2602
> http://belapan.by/archive/**2009/07/10/media_yakubovich
> -- these don't work in both FF and chrome.
>
> I complained to maintainers about this before, but got no response.
>
> Is it known what might be a problem in such cases?
>
> linux-f10-flashplugin-10.**3r183.10
> nspluginwrapper-1.4.4
> 8.2-STABLE amd64
>

I believe you have asked this before, and the answer is still the same.  It
works for me.

flashplayer 11 hit ports today, you could try removing 10, installing 11
and seeing if that helps you at all.

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