Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
Michael P. Soulier wrote: > I'm reading "BSD Hacks" by Dru Lavigne, published by O'Reilly. In the > section on managing floppies, it mentions that if you pull a floppy > without umounting it first, the next time to try to access the > filesystem, you'll get a kernel panic. > Is this true? If so, it would be the very first Unix that I've seen > crash from this kind of user-mistake. I've crashed 5.x by pulling a USB umass device and then trying to look at the directory where it was mounted. - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 05:32:42PM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm reading "BSD Hacks" by Dru Lavigne, published by O'Reilly. In the > section on managing floppies, it mentions that if you pull a floppy > without umounting it first, the next time to try to access the > filesystem, you'll get a kernel panic. > > Is this true? If so, it would be the very first Unix that I've seen > crash from this kind of user-mistake. Turns out it's pretty hard to fix. Kris pgpxD7TqAfUw0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
On 12/4/05, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is this true? If so, it would be the very first Unix that I've seen > > crash from this kind of user-mistake. > > Turns out it's pretty hard to fix. Well, all I know is that it does happen on Linux, Solaris... I don't recall seeing it on HP-UX... I've popped floppies on those OSs before without incident when I went back to the directory. Luckily it's avoidable, just a little disappointing given FreeBSD's rock-solid reputation. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:37:23AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 12/4/05, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is this true? If so, it would be the very first Unix that I've seen > > > crash from this kind of user-mistake. > > > > Turns out it's pretty hard to fix. > > Well, all I know is that it does happen on Linux, Solaris... I don't > recall seeing it on HP-UX... > > I've popped floppies on those OSs before without incident when I went > back to the directory. Luckily it's avoidable, just a little > disappointing given FreeBSD's rock-solid reputation. OK. Kris pgpV3p6wIwWSR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
It happens, I've experienced quite some problems with floppy's and FreeBSD 5.4 and 6.0 anyway, if you mount a floppy, pull it out and unmount it the kernel might panic, if the floppy if reading writing and you pull it out the kernel might panic, if you mount a floppy which is damaged or has a damaged filesystem the kernel might panic I think i've only seen FreeBSD crach about six times in the year I'm using it, all of those were with floppy problems... My advice: Save all your work before you do anything with a floppy Don't do anything with a floppy on critical machines Think before you act when working with a floppy It sucks, I know, I always use a windows machine when I need to write or read something on a floppy. Using windows instead of freebsd because it's better at something. . . . . . . scary. . . On 05/12/05, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:37:23AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > On 12/4/05, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Is this true? If so, it would be the very first Unix that I've seen > > > > crash from this kind of user-mistake. > > > > > > Turns out it's pretty hard to fix. > > > > Well, all I know is that it does happen on Linux, Solaris... I don't > > recall seeing it on HP-UX... > > > > I've popped floppies on those OSs before without incident when I went > > back to the directory. Luckily it's avoidable, just a little > > disappointing given FreeBSD's rock-solid reputation. > > OK. > > Kris > > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
Don't top-post, please. Martin Tournoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My advice: > Save all your work before you do anything with a floppy > Don't do anything with a floppy on critical machines > Think before you act when working with a floppy Using the mtools port is a lot easier. It uses the Windows model of separate devices instead of mounting the floppy into a unified filesystem tree, so it avoids the kernel interaction with the mount point. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
mtools, hmm, might want to check that one out Ok, stupid question perhaps, but what is "top-posting", I'm new to the whole mailling list stuff, so if you can explain a bit I won't do it anymore On 06 Dec 2005 10:12:40 -0500, Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't top-post, please. > > Martin Tournoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > My advice: > > Save all your work before you do anything with a floppy > > Don't do anything with a floppy on critical machines > > Think before you act when working with a floppy > > Using the mtools port is a lot easier. It uses the Windows model of > separate devices instead of mounting the floppy into a unified > filesystem tree, so it avoids the kernel interaction with the mount > point. > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
On 2005-12-06 15:19, Martin Tournoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, stupid question perhaps, but what is "top-posting", I'm new to the > whole mailling list stuff, so if you can explain a bit I won't do it > anymore > > On 06 Dec 2005 10:12:40 -0500, Lowell Gilbert > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't top-post, please. Top-posting is what you did just now. Quoting the original message near the bottom of your post and adding your reply on top of it. It tends to create silly 'nested threads' of messages like the one below: Oh, I see. - Because you have to read the 'thread' of messages and their replies in an entirely backwards order. - So why is top-posting bad? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: kernel panic because I pulled a floppy?
On 12/5/05, Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/4/05, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is this true? If so, it would be the very first Unix that I've seen > > > crash from this kind of user-mistake. > > > > Turns out it's pretty hard to fix. > > Well, all I know is that it does happen on Linux, Solaris... I don't > recall seeing it on HP-UX... > > I've popped floppies on those OSs before without incident when I went > back to the directory. Luckily it's avoidable, just a little > disappointing given FreeBSD's rock-solid reputation. > My understanding, and it could be completely wrong, is that Linux distributions usually use something like amd(8) (the automount daemon) to manage removable devices. They automount automagically when inserted, and unmount when they haven't been used for a while, so if you forget about them and pull them out they are usually not mounted and don't cause problems. You might try setting up amd(8) to see if that makes things more robust. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
