Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
Erik Norgaard wrote: How on earth did it end up there? are someone mad at us? mx1 is not listed, but it appears that most list mail comes from mx2... JFYI, from Matthew Sullivan, SORBS operator: > Listed in Error - removed. > Regards, > Mat mkb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Bill Campbell wrote: It doesn't surprise me that the IP made spam DNSBLs because a fair amount of spam does get through to the list. I would characterize that as "a very small amount", but yes, a few spam messages do get through. Compared to most lists, and especially considering that many of the FreeBSD lists can be posted to without subscribing, I'd say they are extremely clean. It's not obvious that messages come from the list (one of advantages of subject tagging with list prefixes) so it's easy for people to report that spam to places like spamcop without realizing that it's list traffic. Don't think SORBS takes nominations, but who knows. The reason I had both the FreeBSD mailer IPs in my access list was because at some point in the past I had manually blocked the ranges those addresses were in for relaying Korean spam. Not the two FreeBSD addresses, just the ranges. I think the list manager for this list is Mailman. It's easy to implement spamassassin checking in Mailman which would probably catch a large percentage of the spam that now gets through to the list. The web page says the list owner is freebsd-questions-owner -at- freebsd.org. Or postmaster would probably be appropriate also. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
Bill Campbell wrote: It doesn't surprise me that the IP made spam DNSBLs because a fair amount of spam does get through to the list. It's not obvious that messages come from the list (one of advantages of subject tagging with list prefixes) so it's easy for people to report that spam to places like spamcop without realizing that it's list traffic. ? I very rarely see spam on this list, unless I count posts that just doesn't interest I, but it is not fair to clasify SEPs as SPAM, as long as the SEPs relate to the list. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Warren Block wrote: > >>On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Erik Norgaard wrote: >> >>>Just to clarify myself, mx2.freebsd.org is listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net and >>>spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net but NOT in smtp.dnsbl.sorbs.net >>> >>>I just checked sorbs spamdb faq, they require a fine of $50 per spam mail >>>donated to charity!? - is FreeBSD ok as charity? - to delist a server, >>>with the exception if it happens due to blocking a whole netblock. >> >>If you're using sendmail: >>cd /etc/mail >>edit access and add: >> >># FreeBSD mailers >>216.136.204.119 OK >>216.136.204.125 OK >> >>Save and 'make maps'. >> >>>Time to block sorbs I guess... >> >>Unless SORBS is trying to send you email, what would that accomplish? >> >>If you use SORBS and don't like their policies, just stop using them. Or >>explicitly allow mail from the IP addresses you want, as above. > >What I'm more curiuos about is *how* the FreeBSD mail servers go onto the >list in the first place ... did someone submit them because they couldn't >figure out how to unsubscribe, and got tired of receiving freebsd-* mail? It doesn't surprise me that the IP made spam DNSBLs because a fair amount of spam does get through to the list. It's not obvious that messages come from the list (one of advantages of subject tagging with list prefixes) so it's easy for people to report that spam to places like spamcop without realizing that it's list traffic. I think the list manager for this list is Mailman. It's easy to implement spamassassin checking in Mailman which would probably catch a large percentage of the spam that now gets through to the list. We run lists here with postfix and amavisd-new which traps worms that attack the Microsoft virus, Windows, and flags messages that spamassassin identifies as spam with headers that are easy to pick up with Mailman to forward to the list owner for approval. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Many companies that have made themselves dependent on [the equipment of a certain major manufacturer] (and in doing so have sold their soul to the devil) will collapse under the sheer weight of the unmastered complexity of their data processing systems. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Erik Norgaard wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: What I'm more curiuos about is *how* the FreeBSD mail servers go onto the list in the first place ... did someone submit them because they couldn't figure out how to unsubscribe, and got tired of receiving freebsd-* mail? Excactly! Maybe someone got tired of the endless discussion on performance of 5.x or lack of userbase support that swept the list a few weeks? although sorbs claims that individual cannot submit spamservers. Cheers, Erik -- Blah - we can always blame it on the Linux-Munkies ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Erik Norgaard wrote: Just to clarify myself, mx2.freebsd.org is listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net and spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net but NOT in smtp.dnsbl.sorbs.net I just checked sorbs spamdb faq, they require a fine of $50 per spam mail donated to charity!? - is FreeBSD ok as charity? - to delist a server, with the exception if it happens due to blocking a whole netblock. If you're using sendmail: cd /etc/mail edit access and add: # FreeBSD mailers 216.136.204.119 OK 216.136.204.125 OK Save and 'make maps'. Time to block sorbs I guess... Unless SORBS is trying to send you email, what would that accomplish? If you use SORBS and don't like their policies, just stop using them. Or explicitly allow mail from the IP addresses you want, as above. What I'm more curiuos about is *how* the FreeBSD mail servers go onto the list in the first place ... did someone submit them because they couldn't figure out how to unsubscribe, and got tired of receiving freebsd-* mail? Actually I think I can answer that: users (many of them) most likly subscribe to the lists using a "work" email address. That being said, the admins see this and prolly think it's spam etc. and submit it. Many users use company email for the lists (you can tell by the auto replies when they go off on vaca or what have you). With that being said, these same users prolly are violating some sort of AUP that they had to sign when hired. I have an issue with these types of folks. Granted, there are some that use company resources for this, but they also support *BSD in the work environment - that would fall under work related. Just my .02 worth. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
Marc G. Fournier wrote: What I'm more curiuos about is *how* the FreeBSD mail servers go onto the list in the first place ... did someone submit them because they couldn't figure out how to unsubscribe, and got tired of receiving freebsd-* mail? Excactly! Maybe someone got tired of the endless discussion on performance of 5.x or lack of userbase support that swept the list a few weeks? although sorbs claims that individual cannot submit spamservers. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Erik Norgaard wrote: Just to clarify myself, mx2.freebsd.org is listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net and spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net but NOT in smtp.dnsbl.sorbs.net I just checked sorbs spamdb faq, they require a fine of $50 per spam mail donated to charity!? - is FreeBSD ok as charity? - to delist a server, with the exception if it happens due to blocking a whole netblock. If you're using sendmail: cd /etc/mail edit access and add: # FreeBSD mailers 216.136.204.119 OK 216.136.204.125 OK Save and 'make maps'. Time to block sorbs I guess... Unless SORBS is trying to send you email, what would that accomplish? If you use SORBS and don't like their policies, just stop using them. Or explicitly allow mail from the IP addresses you want, as above. What I'm more curiuos about is *how* the FreeBSD mail servers go onto the list in the first place ... did someone submit them because they couldn't figure out how to unsubscribe, and got tired of receiving freebsd-* mail? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Erik Norgaard wrote: Just to clarify myself, mx2.freebsd.org is listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net and spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net but NOT in smtp.dnsbl.sorbs.net I just checked sorbs spamdb faq, they require a fine of $50 per spam mail donated to charity!? - is FreeBSD ok as charity? - to delist a server, with the exception if it happens due to blocking a whole netblock. If you're using sendmail: cd /etc/mail edit access and add: # FreeBSD mailers 216.136.204.119 OK 216.136.204.125 OK Save and 'make maps'. Time to block sorbs I guess... Unless SORBS is trying to send you email, what would that accomplish? If you use SORBS and don't like their policies, just stop using them. Or explicitly allow mail from the IP addresses you want, as above. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
Erik Norgaard wrote: I have been thrown off the list because of too many bounces, turns out that mx2.freebsd.org has been listed at dnslb.sorbs.net, $ host 119.204.136.216.dnsbl.sorbs.net 119.204.136.216.dnsbl.sorbs.net has address 127.0.0.6 Just to clarify myself, mx2.freebsd.org is listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net and spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net but NOT in smtp.dnsbl.sorbs.net I just checked sorbs spamdb faq, they require a fine of $50 per spam mail donated to charity!? - is FreeBSD ok as charity? - to delist a server, with the exception if it happens due to blocking a whole netblock. Time to block sorbs I guess... Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mx2.freebsd.org in dnsbl.sorbs.net
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:37:40 +0100 Erik Norgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Erik, > I have been thrown off the list because of too many bounces, turns out > > that mx2.freebsd.org has been listed at dnslb.sorbs.net, > > $ host 119.204.136.216.dnsbl.sorbs.net > 119.204.136.216.dnsbl.sorbs.net has address 127.0.0.6 > > How on earth did it end up there? are someone mad at us? mx1 is not > listed, but it appears that most list mail comes from mx2... > > I have had other problems trying to filter spam, yet recieve > legitimate mail on the lists - I'm using postfix. How do you set up > your filters? Have you contacted [EMAIL PROTECTED] He should get in contact with SORBS and get the host delisted. My theory about how mx2 ended up there: Maybe somebody has an automated spam submitting system and SORBS parsed the addresses of one of the few spam messages that get through the list or either someone intentionally submitted a forged e-mail there. Either way, SORBS is a total joke and nobody should ever use them. They unilaterally blacklisted my /16 and there's zero change I'll ever get delisted until I pay the $50 "extortion fee". Apparently the facts that I've had the same IP for 5 years and that I publish SPF records don't matter. I laugh at the "Fighting spam by finding and listing Exploitable Servers." title in their web page. Google for 'sorbs sucks', nice reads :-) If you want to filter spam you can use spamassassin (disablig the sorbs and spews tests) and greylisting which works very well. SPF checks also catch a few forged e-mails on my server (probably virus-generated but spam nonetheless.) Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.energyhq.es.eu.org PGP Key: 0xDC8514F1 pgpOwVbhVNFPq.pgp Description: PGP signature
