Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 08:57:01AM -0700, mdh wrote: > It's been my experience that finding drivers for > hardware created for open source operating systems by > developers within the communities is quite easy, while > such community doesn't exist for windows and you are > 100% reliant on the vendor to supply working drivers. > If they supply crap drivers, go out of business and > stop providing any, etc, you are simply out of luck, > while with an open source model it is likely that > someone will have kept development going if the vendor > ever even did produce drivers for those systems. > There's very little in the way of modern hardware that > isn't supported by FreeBSD. The one time I ever ran > into unsupported hardware, a quick update of -STABLE > brought the necessary support in the driver. > > The fact is that political BS aside, for 90% of > workers, FreeBSD/KDE/openoffice/firefox will meet > their needs just as well as windows, and in fact if > you start with something like PC-BSD I think 90% is pessimistic, actually. It's probably closer to 98%. By the way, please don't top-post. The freebsd-questions list is one of those where I get to enjoy a "no top-posting" rule, and seeing unnecessary top-posting kinda harshes my mellow here. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Paul Graham: "Real ugliness is not harsh-looking syntax, but having to build programs out of the wrong concepts." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 06:29:09PM +0100, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, > > 2008/3/20, Nerius Landys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > You could make it a video game server. That's why I set up a FreeBSD > > server. I run games/iourbanterror, but there are other games you could > > run. > > And could FreeBSD be used to become a streaming internet radio > station? Has anyone been doing something like that? I am very > interested to hear and hopefully it is still within the topic here... Technically speaking: Easily. Legally speaking: That depends on who's going to be listening to it. Of course, the same is true of any other OS that could server as a "streaming internet radio station". -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Isaac Asimov: "Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is completely programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:40:53AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:32:08PM -0800, Donald Laniohan wrote: > > > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me > > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of what > > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I know > > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > > and my career, would greatly appreciate it > > > > Good for your brother. > > First thing to do is get on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/ > and start reading.Especially read the handbook and things about > installing and setting up FreeBSD. > > Then put some stuff on it, such as browser (Firefox, probably), > web server (Apache), office tools (OpenOffice) and maybe a few games > from /usr/ports and learn to use those. You might want to add > database (MySQL), interpreter (Perl, PHP) and other stuff as needed. Considering the purpose here is to build a server, I doubt Firefox, OpenOffice.org, and games would really be appropriate at this time. > > Have fun. I second the motion. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Marvin Minsky: "It's just incredible that a trillion-synapse computer could actually spend Saturday afternoon watching a football game." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 02:56:02PM -0400, Edward Capriolo wrote: > For a kick, tell you brother that free BSD is no good. Install linux > on the server and start your own consulting company! > > I mean seriously! 14 replies to a thread about nothing. Let it die everyone! Hey, you old grouch. Spring is coming. Take a deep breath and enjoy it. jerry > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Donald Laniohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me > > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of > > what > > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I > > know > > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > > and my career, would greatly appreciate it > > > > > > > > Donald Laniohan > > > > MLAN Consulting > > > > San Diego, CA > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > ___ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
Written by Edward Capriolo on 03/20/08 13:56>> > For a kick, tell you brother that free BSD is no good. Install linux > on the server and start your own consulting company! > > I mean seriously! 14 replies to a thread about nothing. Let it die everyone! > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Donald Laniohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the >> information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my >> best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a >> 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of >> windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how >> juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me >> as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past >> this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do >> something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of what >> I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I know >> this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, >> and my career, would greatly appreciate it >> >> >> >> Donald Laniohan >> >> MLAN Consulting >> >> San Diego, CA >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> For an even better kick, don't top-post and allow the adults to have a conversation. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
For a kick, tell you brother that free BSD is no good. Install linux on the server and start your own consulting company! I mean seriously! 14 replies to a thread about nothing. Let it die everyone! On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Donald Laniohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of what > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I know > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > and my career, would greatly appreciate it > > > > Donald Laniohan > > MLAN Consulting > > San Diego, CA > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
Sure, check out the icecast and darkice ports. Icecast is a server, darkice is a client. There're also some other useful ports like icegenerator (automatic mp3 streaming client software). Take care, mdh --- Zbigniew Szalbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > 2008/3/20, Nerius Landys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > You could make it a video game server. That's why > I set up a FreeBSD > > server. I run games/iourbanterror, but there are > other games you could run. > > And could FreeBSD be used to become a streaming > internet radio > station? Has anyone been doing something like that? > I am very > interested to hear and hopefully it is still within > the topic here... > > Thanks! > > -- > Zbigniew Szalbot > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
Written by Zbigniew Szalbot on 03/20/08 12:29>> > Hello, > > 2008/3/20, Nerius Landys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> You could make it a video game server. That's why I set up a FreeBSD >> server. I run games/iourbanterror, but there are other games you could run. > > And could FreeBSD be used to become a streaming internet radio > station? Has anyone been doing something like that? I am very > interested to hear and hopefully it is still within the topic here... > > Thanks! > Why not? There are open source streaming audio services that are available as FreeBSD ports. I run and icecast server on my box at home with ices stream providers to listen to my music remotely. I'm sure there are other streaming audio services that are just as neat too. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
Hello, 2008/3/20, Nerius Landys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You could make it a video game server. That's why I set up a FreeBSD > server. I run games/iourbanterror, but there are other games you could run. And could FreeBSD be used to become a streaming internet radio station? Has anyone been doing something like that? I am very interested to hear and hopefully it is still within the topic here... Thanks! -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
You could make it a video game server. That's why I set up a FreeBSD server. I run games/iourbanterror, but there are other games you could run. On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Donald Laniohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep > me > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of > what > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I > know > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > and my career, would greatly appreciate it > > > > Donald Laniohan > > MLAN Consulting > > San Diego, CA > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
Donald Laniohan skrev: My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of what I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I know this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, and my career, would greatly appreciate it Donald Laniohan MLAN Consulting San Diego, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > "what I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me." The answer is - nothing. Both are operating systems for computers and have unlimited possibilities. It's a matter of time and curiosity. Look at it like this: Windows: Easy things - short time to learn and do Hard things - proprietary stuff - long time to learn and do FreeBSD Easy things - longer time than above to learn and do Hard things - if you get through the easy stuff - it's a doodle If you're curious enough, you'll find time to master both. And then the next thing you get curious of and so on. On my behalf I started by trying FreeBSD some 10 odd years ago and noticed that it then vastly outperformed Windows for some of the things I used it for. Another thing was the incredible stability. Been hooked ever since. These days I've heard that Mac OSX is built on part of *BSD - must be a reason somewhere As for resources the starting point was in the thread - that'd be www.freebsd.org of course and here's some more: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/73 <- All hail Dru Lavigne! http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ http://freebsdhowtos.com/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html http://tomclegg.net/examples http://freebsd.peon.net/ http://www.freshports.org/ http://freebsd.teekoo.com/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpd/ http://www.freebsddiary.org/ http://www.bsd.org/ ...and of course www.google.com. Just my nickels worth. /Roger ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
It's been my experience that finding drivers for hardware created for open source operating systems by developers within the communities is quite easy, while such community doesn't exist for windows and you are 100% reliant on the vendor to supply working drivers. If they supply crap drivers, go out of business and stop providing any, etc, you are simply out of luck, while with an open source model it is likely that someone will have kept development going if the vendor ever even did produce drivers for those systems. There's very little in the way of modern hardware that isn't supported by FreeBSD. The one time I ever ran into unsupported hardware, a quick update of -STABLE brought the necessary support in the driver. The fact is that political BS aside, for 90% of workers, FreeBSD/KDE/openoffice/firefox will meet their needs just as well as windows, and in fact if you start with something like PC-BSD --- Chad Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 09:18:25AM +0100, Nejc > Å koberne wrote: > > >everything you run on windows can be run on > Freebsd and more. > > > > Huh? AFAIK FreeBSD can not act as a domain > controller for an Microsoft AD. > > And this is something you would need in a company > full of Windows boxen. > > You're thinking of it from the wrong direction. > > FreeBSD can serve the same role to other Unix and > Linux boxen that MS > Windows can to other MS Windows systems. > > > > > > And don't tell me I can throw away Windows and > install FreeBSD on hundreds > > of clients (with so varying hardware that even > Windows has problems > > sometimes). > > Why not? There's hardware on which FreeBSD will run > and MS Windows will > not, y'know. It goes both ways. > > -- > CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org > ] > Isaac Asimov: "Part of the inhumanity of the > computer is that, once it is > completely programmed and working smoothly, it is > completely honest." > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 09:18:25AM +0100, Nejc Škoberne wrote: > >everything you run on windows can be run on Freebsd and more. > > Huh? AFAIK FreeBSD can not act as a domain controller for an Microsoft AD. > And this is something you would need in a company full of Windows boxen. You're thinking of it from the wrong direction. FreeBSD can serve the same role to other Unix and Linux boxen that MS Windows can to other MS Windows systems. > > And don't tell me I can throw away Windows and install FreeBSD on hundreds > of clients (with so varying hardware that even Windows has problems > sometimes). Why not? There's hardware on which FreeBSD will run and MS Windows will not, y'know. It goes both ways. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Isaac Asimov: "Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is completely programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:40:53AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:32:08PM -0800, Donald Laniohan wrote: > > > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me > > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of what > > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I know > > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > > and my career, would greatly appreciate it > > > > Good for your brother. > > First thing to do is get on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/ > and start reading.Especially read the handbook and things about > installing and setting up FreeBSD. > > Then put some stuff on it, such as browser (Firefox, probably), > web server (Apache), office tools (OpenOffice) and maybe a few games > from /usr/ports and learn to use those. You might want to add > database (MySQL), interpreter (Perl, PHP) and other stuff as needed. I forgot to mention and should add, FreeBSD comes with Email (sendmail) ready to go, just turn it on, firewall, and with X-windows configured, a good windows server, plus there are thousands of other utilities, relevant for specific needs, such as xv, xfig graphics and sounds programs, etc. jerry > > Have fun. > > jerry > > > Donald Laniohan > > > > MLAN Consulting > > San Diego, CA > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:32:08PM -0800, Donald Laniohan wrote: > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of what > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I know > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > and my career, would greatly appreciate it > Good for your brother. First thing to do is get on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/ and start reading.Especially read the handbook and things about installing and setting up FreeBSD. Then put some stuff on it, such as browser (Firefox, probably), web server (Apache), office tools (OpenOffice) and maybe a few games from /usr/ports and learn to use those. You might want to add database (MySQL), interpreter (Perl, PHP) and other stuff as needed. Have fun. jerry > Donald Laniohan > > MLAN Consulting > San Diego, CA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Donald Laniohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. To add to the Patrick's list: make it a DAAP music server. See mt-daapd: $ cat /usr/ports/audio/mt-daapd/pkg-descr daapd scans a directory for music files and makes them available via the Apple proprietary protocol DAAP. DAAP clients can browse the directory and retrieve individual files, either by streaming or by downloading them. WWW: http://mt-daapd.sourceforge.net/ -- Colin Brace Amsterdam http://lim.nl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
"Donald Laniohan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of what > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I know > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > and my career, would greatly appreciate it While the other advice is good, I'd just set up an Apache web server if I were you. It's one of the simpler tasks to take on, and you'll find lots and lots of assistance on this via Google. Another, possibly even easier, option is to set up a shell server. Just install the OS, enable sshd and add some users. You could argue that it's a secure file transfer server (load up WinSCP on a Windows box and show off just how 133t your are) The handbook is going to be your best guide initially: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:32:08PM -0800, Donald Laniohan wrote: > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep me > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of what > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I know > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > and my career, would greatly appreciate it Reasonably easy stuff that'd teach you something useful and *be* immediately useful, all at the same time, would be: 1. Set up a document management server using Subversion. The idea is that you commit a directory you use for your personal documents to a version control system so that whenever you update the documents, you can have both the current and all previous versions recoverable from the server in case of disaster or a desire to "roll back" some changes you've made. A Google search string that should help for getting it set up is: subversion "document management" Since it's probably not "cheating" to have someone point you directly at a link for something on MS Windows, I'll just give you a direct link to an article I wrote a while back about setting up TortoiseSVN on MS Windows. TortoiseSVN is a client for Subversion, and can be used to make use of your personal document management server from a Microsoft Windows client, if you don't have a FreeBSD desktop or laptop system available. The URL is: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-3513_11-6172851.html 2. Set up a backup server. There are several excellent tools for this that automate most of the process. Popular choices include Backula, rsync, and dump. With some tools, you may want to schedule their operation by use of cron -- which means you'll probably be learning at least two separate tools. Since there are so many different means of setting up a backup server, I'll leave it to you to figure out what search strings to use. 3. Set up a remote filesystem integrity auditing server. Tools such as mtree, Tripwire, and rsync can all be used for this purpose. I've even written articles about the use of these tools for these purposes. You should be able to find them with Google search strings like the following: mtree "integrity auditing" rsync "integrity auditing" tripwire "integrity auditing" I chose these three server types in particular because: 1. They're things you can't do very effectively on MS Windows without tracking down third party software to buy, copy, or download via your browser to install on the system with great annoyance and difficulty. 2. They're relatively easy (with the possible exception of using tripwire or getting really fancy with the configuration of some of these), unlike other things MS Windows doesn't do so well (like setting up a stateful router/firewall, which can easily get fairly complex). 3. I've done them all, and they're all only a very brief shell command away from installing on the system (assuming you have the full CD set or a broadband Internet connection). 4. None of them require use of the X Window System, so you can set them all up and manage them using nothing more than a command shell via SSH. 5. They can all be immediately useful for you, whereas something like a firewall you're setting up without a specific need for a firewall system probably cannot. NOTES: 1. I haven't mentioned the single most useful bit of help you can get for finding out how to get things running in FreeBSD. I'll give you a hint, though; FreeBSD is the OS whose user documentation is the absolute best, in my experience. I haven't used all available OSes, of course, but I've used quite a few. 2. I can't swear that the results you get from the above recommended Google search strings will give you the information you need. They're just ideas off the top of my head for how to get started on searching. I have not tested those search strings for these purposes. 3. Anything I intentionally leave out of this email that might be helpful (such as URLs that lead directly to various resources that give step-by-step instructions on achieving certain ends with FreeBSD), I left out because I wouldn't want to be accused of "cheating" by simply handing over the answers when you have obviously been given a challenge by your brother. The content o
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, March 20, 2008 16:18, Nejc koberne wrote: >> everything you run on windows can be run on Freebsd and more. > > Huh? AFAIK FreeBSD can not act as a domain controller for an Microsoft AD. AD is nothing more than a big database accessible over LDAP. You connect to the LDAP database, and when you are authenticated you get a kerberos token. Clients use SRV records to check for AD services. SRV Records are supported by BIND. It is possible to run AD and have your DNS/AD zones on a BIND DNS server. I believe you can even find whitepapers from Microsoft for this. Of course certain features are Microsoft specific. > And this is something you would need in a company full of Windows boxen. > And don't tell me I can throw away Windows and install FreeBSD on hundreds > of clients (with so varying hardware that even Windows has problems > sometimes). Xorg + openoffice? Why not? Of course the TCO will increase, training etc. It is simpler for the majority of us to stick to windows. > > Replacing the Windows 2008 server with a FreeBSD box without loosing > functionality? Are you sure you really meant that? Just checking again > before > starting spitting out things where FreeBSD can not replace Windows server. yes. I meant that. We are talking out of the box Windows 2008. What kind of functionality are you talking about? At work I use windows a lot. Windows 2003 R2, SCCM, SQL 2005, SCOM, Exchange 2007 and all the other latest stuff from Microsoft. But for all these applications I can use also Freebsd and applications found in ports. Besides, the point was that the TS wanted to start using somethign else than windows to learn more about OS in general. PPl stick to Windows because they are afraid for change and a learning curve. > > Bye, > Nejc Bye Patrick > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
everything you run on windows can be run on Freebsd and more. Huh? AFAIK FreeBSD can not act as a domain controller for an Microsoft AD. And this is something you would need in a company full of Windows boxen. And don't tell me I can throw away Windows and install FreeBSD on hundreds of clients (with so varying hardware that even Windows has problems sometimes). Replacing the Windows 2008 server with a FreeBSD box without loosing functionality? Are you sure you really meant that? Just checking again before starting spitting out things where FreeBSD can not replace Windows server. Bye, Nejc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: my brother is making me learn FreeBSD...
On Thu, March 20, 2008 15:32, Donald Laniohan wrote: > My task is to build a BSD server and do something with it. That is all the > information he gave me, that, and any questions I have to make Google my > best friend, which I have. i remember building my first whitebox, it was a > 386 with windows 3.1. I remember when I built my 486 and stole a copy of > windows 95. I thought I was a savage. BSD, however, has showed me how > juvenile I have been. If I do not master BSD my brother is going to keep > me > as a desktop support for his windows clients and I want to progress past > this. So he's giving me a 1u, and said to put BSD on it and make it do > something, im just so stuck in my windows comfort zone I can't think of > what > I would need a unix server to that I couldn't make windows do for me. I > know > this is trivial but if somebody could offer any suggestion or resource I, > and my career, would greatly appreciate it make it a webserver (apache) Make it a proxy (squid) make it an email server (www.tnpi.biz/mailtoaster) make it a DNS server (Bind) make it a database server (mysql/postgresql) make it a firewall (a proper one, not like windows) make it a vpn server (can windows do this out of the box?) make it a sniffer (definitely something that windows cant do out of the box) and so forth.. everything you run on windows can be run on Freebsd and more. It is hard to install something not knowing what you want. I mean installing windows 2003 out of the box wont do you any good as well, untill you configured the services which you want. So.. a nice task could be.. replacing the windows 2003/2000/2008 server with a Freebsd box and not loosing functionality for the end user. So pick a win box, write down what it is doing for you. THen find the FreebSd ports for it and try to have it working. Good luck > > > > Donald Laniohan > > MLAN Consulting > > San Diego, CA > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
