Server build config, what would you do?

2008-04-09 Thread Eric Zimmerman

Hello,

Can anyone recommend a solid motherboard for building a BSD server 
around? I would like at least a Core2Duo CPU, but would consider Xeon 
(single or dual CPU boards are fine).


The server will be for file storage and general services like email, 
apache, etc.  Not a ton of volume for either


I plan to use a 3-Ware or Areca controller (4 port). Does one of those 
work better than the other? I have had pretty good luck with some 3-Ware 
cards so far with FreeBSD, but have heard good things about the Areca 
cards too.


Heck, while we are at it, can anyone recommend some decent internal SATA 
enclosures with 5 or so slots?


Thank you for your time,

Eric
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Re: Server build config, what would you do?

2008-04-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
would like at least a Core2Duo CPU, but would consider Xeon (single or dual 
CPU boards are fine).


The server will be for file storage and general services like email, apache, 
etc.  Not a ton of volume for either


so why at least core2duo. for your case 50$ used computer (possibly with 
larger disk) is enough.


I plan to use a 3-Ware or Areca controller (4 port). Does one of those work 
better than the other? I have had pretty good luck with some 3-Ware cards so


no special controller works best.
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Re: Server build config, what would you do?

2008-04-09 Thread Eric Zimmerman

Wojciech Puchar wrote:
would like at least a Core2Duo CPU, but would consider Xeon (single or 
dual CPU boards are fine).


The server will be for file storage and general services like email, 
apache, etc.  Not a ton of volume for either


so why at least core2duo. for your case 50$ used computer (possibly with 
larger disk) is enough.


I plan to use a 3-Ware or Areca controller (4 port). Does one of those 
work better than the other? I have had pretty good luck with some 
3-Ware cards so


no special controller works best.


I'd like a C2D to allow for future growth and the fact that it will be 
serving files for several people on my home network not to mention the 
other services on it.


Why do you think no special controller works best? If that was the case, 
why would they even make hardware based RAID cards, or RAID cards at 
all? I have a solid backup plan in place, but why risk downtime when 
solutions are available?


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Re: Server build config, what would you do?

2008-04-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I'd like a C2D to allow for future growth and the fact that it will be 
serving files for several people on my home network not to mention the other 
services on it.


buying computers for future needs is nonsense - as their prices fall all 
the time.


not mentioning that file serving isn't CPU intensive.



Why do you think no special controller works best? If that was the case, why


i don't just think. i'm sure. use gmirror/gstripe/gconcat/combination of 
them to get best performance. make sure to set -s 1048576 at least in 
gmirror, and huge stripes (like 512MB) in gstripe.



would they even make hardware based RAID cards, or RAID cards at all? I have


because there are people like you willing to pay for them :)
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Re: Server build config, what would you do?

2008-04-09 Thread Andrew Cid
Hi Eric,

 I plan to use a 3-Ware or Areca controller (4 port). Does one of those 
 work better than the other? I have had pretty good luck with some 3-Ware 
 cards so far with FreeBSD, but have heard good things about the Areca 
 cards too.

I'm using 3-ware 9000 series in a few production boxes and they work
really well.  Hot swapping disks also works if you have a compatible
power supply.  Don't know about Areca, never used it.


Cheers,  


Andrew
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Re: Server build config, what would you do?

2008-04-09 Thread Jon Radel
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 

 I'd like a C2D to allow for future growth and the fact that it will be
 serving files for several people on my home network not to mention the
 other services on it.
 
 buying computers for future needs is nonsense - as their prices fall all
 the time.

Particularly if your labor costs are effectively free, your maintenance
windows particularly large, and your data collection not too big.  I've
been involved in situations where that planning mechanism would have led
to a world of pain...   (OK, so he mentioned several people and home
network, so you have a point.  ;-)

The one thing that I can think of that I've not seen mentioned in this
thread, which could actually start to make a difference to component
choice, is whether those several people are all hoping to stream video
and music off of this server.  Other than that, I'd go for a Celeron on
a dull, but stable, motherboard.

One other thought on hardware RAID:  If your RAID board itself dies you
better hope you can get it repaired or acquire an exact replacement,
down to the firmware version in some cases.  If not, you'll have real
trouble reading anything off of your disks.  With software RAID, you at
least stand a decent chance of recovering everything from nothing more
than the (N-1) hard disks, a FreeBSD CD-ROM, and the components to build
a new server around them.

--Jon Radel


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Re: Server build config, what would you do?

2008-04-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar


The one thing that I can think of that I've not seen mentioned in this
thread, which could actually start to make a difference to component
choice, is whether those several people are all hoping to stream video
and music off of this server.  Other than that, I'd go for a Celeron on
a dull, but stable, motherboard.


that's much better.

in such case i turn up WWW browser, run allegro.pl (polish equivalent of 
ebay.com) and get cheapest computer that would be enough for the task, BUT

something like IBM, HP, Siemens, etc...

There are lot of good-branded desktops, that are small, quite elegant, 
really cheap and they are STABLE.


older are better than new in this - all that had to fail, already failed.

FreeBSD is not windoze, 64-128MB RAM is enough for most server tasks, 
unless you use spamassassin then 192 at least.



there is usually need to buy new disks or used, but larger, as existing 
are (is) too small, and 2 disks are good thing.


300$ for all, including disks, is enough. for STABLE system, that i'm sure 
about.


It's actually much cheaper if you count less electricity used than 
todays systems multiplied by few years 24h/365d usage.

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