Re: The book of pf...
On 19 January 2011 02:28, Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Kevin Wilcox kevin.wil...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Definitely get the first version Oh, why? Because Peter made mention on misc@ that the second edition was geared towards OpenBSD 4.8 and the version of pf that's in FreeBSD is quite a bit older. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=128938065524891w=2 kmw ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The book of pf...
Because Peter made mention on misc@ that the second edition was geared towards OpenBSD 4.8 and the version of pf that's in FreeBSD is quite a bit older. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=128938065524891w=2 Hi In the second edition there are also reference and syntax of previous version of pf ( 4.8 ). Best regards -- Matteo Filippetto http://op83.blogspot.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The book of pf...
Modulok modu...@gmail.com writes: This book comes in two editions. The first was published in December 2007, the second, November, 2010. Does anyone have this? And if so would I be correct to get the first edition instead? I know FreeBSD's pf lags being openBSD's, so I'm not sure which version of the book to get, if either are applicable to the version of pf that FreeBSD runs? (FreeBSD 8.1) I started updating the text for the 2nd edition due to the changes introduced in OpenBSD 4.7, (aka Henning's monster diff) plus a few other goodies such as pflow(4) that had turned up since the first edition's late 2007 release, but I took some care to keep samples in the older syntax where it's relevant. That means that for the FreeBSD parts, the second edition is up to date per roughly early October 2010 (FreeBSD 8.1-stable), with a not that for FreeBSD, we assume the 8 series. If you're running an older release (ie a close descendant of whatever was -stable in late 2007), the first edition is likely better suited. For other differences between the two, you could probably get an idea by comparing the TOCs from the two editions' web pages (at http://nostarch.com/pf.htm and http://nostarch.com/pf2.htm respectively). The second edition turned into a more thorough rewrite than I'd originally planned with some bits moving around. But if in doubt, why not get both? ;) But yes, for FreeBSD 8.1, you'll be happier with the second edition. FreeBSD's PF syntax is old-style, but some other relevant network config details changed between 2007 and 2010, and the second edition reflects this. - Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The book of pf...
On 1/19/11, Peter N. M. Hansteen pe...@bsdly.net wrote: Modulok modu...@gmail.com writes: This book comes in two editions. The first was published in December 2007, the second, November, 2010. Does anyone have this? And if so would I be correct to get the first edition instead? I know FreeBSD's pf lags being openBSD's, so I'm not sure which version of the book to get, if either are applicable to the version of pf that FreeBSD runs? (FreeBSD 8.1) I started updating the text for the 2nd edition due to the changes introduced in OpenBSD 4.7, (aka Henning's monster diff) plus a few other goodies such as pflow(4) that had turned up since the first edition's late 2007 release, but I took some care to keep samples in the older syntax where it's relevant. That means that for the FreeBSD parts, the second edition is up to date per roughly early October 2010 (FreeBSD 8.1-stable), with a not that for FreeBSD, we assume the 8 series. If you're running an older release (ie a close descendant of whatever was -stable in late 2007), the first edition is likely better suited. For other differences between the two, you could probably get an idea by comparing the TOCs from the two editions' web pages (at http://nostarch.com/pf.htm and http://nostarch.com/pf2.htm respectively). The second edition turned into a more thorough rewrite than I'd originally planned with some bits moving around. But if in doubt, why not get both? ;) But yes, for FreeBSD 8.1, you'll be happier with the second edition. FreeBSD's PF syntax is old-style, but some other relevant network config details changed between 2007 and 2010, and the second edition reflects this. Peter, Thanks for taking the time to reply! Your post answers a lot of questions that I and others had. I have since purchased the second edition of the book and am working my way through it. Thanks for writing a book on the subject too. Without books such as yours, it would be a far more frustrating world. For anyone else tinkering with firewalls: virtual machines can simplify the logistics. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The book of pf...
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: List, The Book of PF: A No-Nonsense Guide to the OpenBSD Firewall This book comes in two editions. The first was published in December 2007, the second, November, 2010. Does anyone have this? And if so would I be correct to get the first edition instead? I know FreeBSD's pf lags being openBSD's, so I'm not sure which version of the book to get, if either are applicable to the version of pf that FreeBSD runs? (FreeBSD 8.1) I don't follow OpenBSD, but my understanding is there has been significant change between FreeBSD's version of PF and the current version in OpenBSD. According to the freebsd-pf@ list(which is maybe a better place for your question) PF version 4.5 is scheduled to appear in FreeBSD 9 so we'll still be well behind. I would guess the previous version of the book has syntax and examples closer to what you'll be using if FreeBSD is your host although 2nd editions often have a lot of useful additions and corrections. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The book of pf...
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: List, The Book of PF: A No-Nonsense Guide to the OpenBSD Firewall This book comes in two editions. The first was published in December 2007, the second, November, 2010. Does anyone have this? And if so would I be correct to get the first edition instead? I know FreeBSD's pf lags being openBSD's, so I'm not sure which version of the book to get, if either are applicable to the version of pf that FreeBSD runs? (FreeBSD 8.1) I don't follow OpenBSD, but my understanding is there has been significant change between FreeBSD's version of PF and the current version in OpenBSD. According to the freebsd-pf@ list(which is maybe a better place for your question) PF version 4.5 is scheduled to appear in FreeBSD 9 so we'll still be well behind. I would guess the previous version of the book has syntax and examples closer to what you'll be using if FreeBSD is your host although 2nd editions often have a lot of useful additions and corrections. No. The second edition also includes the syntax for FreeBSD 8.x.(It also includes the old sytnax for OpenBSD as well as the new syntax) -- chs, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The book of pf...
No. The second edition also includes the syntax for FreeBSD 8.x.(It also includes the old sytnax for OpenBSD as well as the new syntax) -- chs, Thank you! That's what I needed to know. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The book of pf...
On 17 January 2011 23:37, Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: Or perhaps someone could suggest something else? I read the examples and basic handbook for pf, but wanted a bit more. I'm going to be tacking a firewall project coming up and need to be well prepared. Suggested readings appreciated. 1) Definitely get the first version 2) Definitely pick up the book. While the OpenBSD FAQ is *extremely* useful, you don't always have access. This is the single best pf reference I've seen. kmw ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The book of pf...
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Kevin Wilcox kevin.wil...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Definitely get the first version Oh, why? -- chs, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
The book of pf...
List, The Book of PF: A No-Nonsense Guide to the OpenBSD Firewall This book comes in two editions. The first was published in December 2007, the second, November, 2010. Does anyone have this? And if so would I be correct to get the first edition instead? I know FreeBSD's pf lags being openBSD's, so I'm not sure which version of the book to get, if either are applicable to the version of pf that FreeBSD runs? (FreeBSD 8.1) Or perhaps someone could suggest something else? I read the examples and basic handbook for pf, but wanted a bit more. I'm going to be tacking a firewall project coming up and need to be well prepared. Suggested readings appreciated. Thanks! -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
