Re: Top behavior differences
On 2006-09-10 18:04, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. There are technical reasons. The top(1) utility peeks into kernel structures, such as process lists, memory usage information and other stuff, and our current FreeBSD version has been changed, fixed and augmented with new features as FreeBSD was developed. I doubt that it can run unmodified on Linux. What sort of technical details are you interested in? I've made some changes to top(1) myself, so maybe I can tell you what the differences are if you have something specific in mind :) - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Top behavior differences
Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? On Linux you can enter a 1 and the status header provides a display for each processor. I think this is a lot more informative that the FreeBSD way of doing this. Or am I missing how to obtain the same information in FreeBSD? Perhaps some other tool? Or a different command to top? -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top behavior differences
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: 1) The people who created X weren't interested in feature Y. Since they were doing unpaid work, they created the features they were interested in. 2) The core code of X was written before the technological advance that made feature Y useful, and no one has needed feature Y badly enough to add it to X. 3) The creators of X didn't think of feature Y, and no one has gotten in touch with the maintainers to suggest it. 4) Only one or two people want feature Y, and the amount of work necessary to add it to X greatly exceeds the benefit of providing a feature for one or two people. Also, no one has contacted the maintainers of X to ask how much it would cost to change their minds about this. 5) No one wants feature Y badly enough to devote the necessary free time to learn the skills and do the work necessary to create it. Since it's not high on anyone's list of things to do in their spare time, everyone has chosen to wait until it moves to the top of someone else's list of things to do in their spare time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top behavior differences
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top behavior differences
In the last episode (Sep 10), stan said: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. FreeBSD does not currently track per-cpu usage, only a total. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top behavior differences
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 07:57:52PM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Sep 10), stan said: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. FreeBSD does not currently track per-cpu usage, only a total. Thanks you. That's the answer I was looking for. -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top behavior differences
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 06:04:04PM -0400, stan wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. They did if they asked for technical answers. What you actually asked, if you'll read your own e-mail, is why FBSD doesn't display the information the way Linux does. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
