Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2004-12-21 13:28, Tom Vilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> I used fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs.  The process is described here:
>> http://keramida.serverhive.com/weblog/archives/using-a-usb-20-flash-mini-disk-on-freebsd
>
> Can you re-post that url? I get a 404

Please try again.

You caught me in the middle of an update of wordpress to version 1.2.2,
which has left a great part of the blog in a state of flux.  The URL I
posted earlier should work fine now.

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Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Marc Fonvieille]

On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 01:26:49PM -0700, Tom Vilot wrote:
> Marc Fonvieille wrote:
> 
> >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html
> > 
> >
> 
> "Since the burner is seen as a SCSI drive, the driver atapicam(4) 
>  should not 
> be used in the kernel configuration."
> 
> Hmm. What if you need atapicam for other things, such as ATAPI DVDRW drives?

It may not work, I had some issues having atapicam enabled with a USB
DVD writer.

Marc
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Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Tom Vilot]

Alan Gerber wrote:
I love my Lexar Jumpdrive.  I have the 512MB version, but they're up 
to 1GB now, IIRC. 

2 gig, actually :)
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Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Tom Vilot]

Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

I used fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs.  The process is described here:
http://keramida.serverhive.com/weblog/archives/using-a-usb-20-flash-mini-disk-on-freebsd

Can you re-post that url? I get a 404
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Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Tom Vilot]

Marc Fonvieille wrote:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html
 

"Since the burner is seen as a SCSI drive, the driver atapicam(4) 
 should not 
be used in the kernel configuration."

Hmm. What if you need atapicam for other things, such as ATAPI DVDRW drives?
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Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Alan Gerber]

Kenneth W Cochran wrote:
Hello:
I have some questions about the little USB flash drives...
Is there a FAQ or some documentation on them?  So far I haven't
found much in the Handbook or manpages.  Pointers welcome.  :)
 

I haven't done any checking, but I'm sure there is *something* in the 
Handbook about them.

Do I need any driver(s) besides umass(4) & its required kernel options?
 

In my experience, any drive that works in Windows (2000 or XP) without 
needing special drivers will work in FreeBSD.  I can't say that 
definitively, of course, but it has been my experience.

Any differences between 4.x and 5.x support for them?
 

5.x has better USB support overall, but I think there was talk about 
putting effort into porting this back to 4.x.  I'd suggest starting with 
5.x to begin with, since it represents the next generation of the 
FreeBSD system.

Apparently they come setup for a FAT32 filesystem - can I format
them for other filesystems (e.g. linux-ext2, BSD UFS/UFS2, MS
NTFS) & expect them to work reliably?
 

I've never tried this - why change something when it is working just fine?
Assuming they work (well) with FreeBSD, how do I properly set
them up for UFS/UFS2?  Do I need to fdisk and {disk,bsd}label first?
 

See above response.
Any favorite/least-favorite brands/models or recommendations as
to which one(s) to seek/avoid for use with FreeBSD?
 

I love my Lexar Jumpdrive.  I have the 512MB version, but they're up to 
1GB now, IIRC.

Thanks,
-kc
 

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Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2004-12-21 11:06, Dan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the last episode (Dec 21), Kenneth W Cochran said:
> > I have some questions about the little USB flash drives...
>
>> Apparently they come setup for a FAT32 filesystem - can I format them
>> for other filesystems (e.g. linux-ext2, BSD UFS/UFS2, MS NTFS) &
>> expect them to work reliably?
>
> You can, but FAT32 is definitely the most portable.

Formatting in UFS is possible indeed.  I usually have my email stored on
a 256 MB USB stick, formatted in UFS1 :-)

>> Assuming they work (well) with FreeBSD, how do I properly set them up
>> for UFS/UFS2?  Do I need to fdisk and {disk,bsd}label first?
>
> Just newfs on /dev/da# should be enough.  You can fdisk or disklabel if
> you want, but if you're not going to boot off it I don't think it buys
> you anything.

I used fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs.  The process is described here:
http://keramida.serverhive.com/weblog/archives/using-a-usb-20-flash-mini-disk-on-freebsd

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Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Dec 21), Kenneth W Cochran said:
> I have some questions about the little USB flash drives...
> 
> Is there a FAQ or some documentation on them?  So far I haven't
> found much in the Handbook or manpages.  Pointers welcome.  :)
> 
> Do I need any driver(s) besides umass(4) & its required kernel
> options?

Nope.  just what's listed in the EXAMPLES section of the manpage.
 
> Any differences between 4.x and 5.x support for them?

5.x supports more devices, and supports them better :)  There are a
numbers of quirks entries in umass.c for misbehaving devices.
 
> Apparently they come setup for a FAT32 filesystem - can I format them
> for other filesystems (e.g. linux-ext2, BSD UFS/UFS2, MS NTFS) &
> expect them to work reliably?

You can, but FAT32 is definitely the most portable.
 
> Assuming they work (well) with FreeBSD, how do I properly set them up
> for UFS/UFS2?  Do I need to fdisk and {disk,bsd}label first?

Just newfs on /dev/da# should be enough.  You can fdisk or disklabel if
you want, but if you're not going to boot off it I don't think it buys
you anything.

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Re: USB flash drive support/usage

[Marc Fonvieille]

On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:22:30AM -0500, Kenneth W Cochran wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> I have some questions about the little USB flash drives...
> 
> Is there a FAQ or some documentation on them?  So far I haven't
> found much in the Handbook or manpages.  Pointers welcome.  :)
>

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html

> Do I need any driver(s) besides umass(4) & its required kernel options?
> 
> Any differences between 4.x and 5.x support for them?
> 
> Apparently they come setup for a FAT32 filesystem - can I format
> them for other filesystems (e.g. linux-ext2, BSD UFS/UFS2, MS
> NTFS) & expect them to work reliably?
> 
> Assuming they work (well) with FreeBSD, how do I properly set
> them up for UFS/UFS2?  Do I need to fdisk and {disk,bsd}label first?
> 
[...]

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/disks-adding.html

Marc
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USB flash drive support/usage

[Kenneth W Cochran]

Hello:

I have some questions about the little USB flash drives...

Is there a FAQ or some documentation on them?  So far I haven't
found much in the Handbook or manpages.  Pointers welcome.  :)

Do I need any driver(s) besides umass(4) & its required kernel options?

Any differences between 4.x and 5.x support for them?

Apparently they come setup for a FAT32 filesystem - can I format
them for other filesystems (e.g. linux-ext2, BSD UFS/UFS2, MS
NTFS) & expect them to work reliably?

Assuming they work (well) with FreeBSD, how do I properly set
them up for UFS/UFS2?  Do I need to fdisk and {disk,bsd}label first?

Any favorite/least-favorite brands/models or recommendations as
to which one(s) to seek/avoid for use with FreeBSD?

Thanks,

-kc
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