Re: Very Dissapointed
Ok, Ok. I think everybody gets it, now. FreeBSD Yay! Microsoft Boo. FreeBSD users are the most helpful EVER, with never a bad word uttered. Microsoft users are bad people whose feet stink and they might not love jesus. Now, please move on. On Tuesday 14 June 2005 06:46, John McAree wrote: I just came in on the end of this, so I'm not sure what you've done. But you are correct that there aren't many guides for such a thing that a beginner could follow. hay guys i hear freebsd have this here 'handbook' type thing. Try reading it. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ I'd like to see Microsoft provide such a resource for Windows (at least, one that doesn't treat the reader like an idiot). If dk is such a computer expert (using PCs since the days of DOS 3.3? Wow), he should be familiar with using things like command lines, non-graphical installers, and the task of setting up your own disk partitions. The handbook is an excellent resource, when I was a beginner with FreeBSD I found it invaluable. I still refer to it regularly, 2-3 years later. All I can say is that this is the problem with the way Windows does *everything* for the user (and usually not very well)...the users lose the ability to think for themselves, or to even learn anything about the PC they are using. 'dk', Jerry's right in that you made no effort to actually ask a question, you should be a bit more diplomatic in future. The FreeBSD community are (from my experience) a friendly and helpful bunch of people. As it happens, despite your attitude, you still got some advice. Perhaps you should think before you type next time. Regards, John. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
On 6/14/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Ok. I think everybody gets it, now. FreeBSD Yay! Microsoft Boo. FreeBSD users are the most helpful EVER, with never a bad word uttered. Microsoft users are bad people whose feet stink and they might not love jesus. Now, please move on. It's amazing what sponsored link Goggle choose appropriate for your reply Lane: highpaysurveys.com/microsoft.html. Now you're not only offered some help, but also $300! -- Dmitry We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
On Jun 14, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Lane wrote:
Ok, Ok.
I think everybody gets it, now.
FreeBSD Yay!
Microsoft Boo.
FreeBSD users are the most helpful EVER, with never a bad word uttered.
Microsoft users are bad people whose feet stink and they might not
love jesus.
Now, please move on.
You forgot Top posters, Boo!
Where exactly was the reply inflammatory enough to warrant that reply?
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 06:46, John McAree wrote:
I just came in on the end of this, so I'm not sure what you've done.
But you are correct that there aren't many guides for such a thing
that a
beginner could follow.
hay guys i hear freebsd have this here 'handbook' type thing. Try
reading
it. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/
I'd like to see Microsoft provide such a resource for Windows (at
least,
one that doesn't treat the reader like an idiot).
Most of the MSDN/Technet? While not in a handy format, it does have
a lot of articles that I've found to be of use in
troubleshooting/reconfiguring. If you know specifically what you're
looking for.
The FreeBSD handbook is a wonderful resource, but there are still times
when I find the articles at FreeBSD Diary and some other *BSD sites to
be more informative and up to date for a particular task.
If dk is such a computer expert (using PCs since the days of DOS 3.3?
Wow), he should be familiar with using things like command lines,
non-graphical installers, and the task of setting up your own disk
partitions. The handbook is an excellent resource, when I was a
beginner
with FreeBSD I found it invaluable. I still refer to it regularly, 2-3
years later. All I can say is that this is the problem with the way
Windows does *everything* for the user (and usually not very
well)...the
users lose the ability to think for themselves, or to even learn
anything
about the PC they are using.
Um...isn't this what ALL users want from there computer, to have it do
the thinking *FOR* them? That's a trend not just in
computing/technology, but for society in general, I've found.
It appears from my observation that kids in school (American, public
school system) are now being actively trained not to think for
themselves, period. It's worse now that schools are accountable with
No Child Left Behind...they're taught rote skills for passing exams set
as standards so teachers teach to the tests so schools get a score that
allows them to keep getting government money, even though the federal
government hasn't come through with the funding they promised in order
to have the schools use the programs to teach to the tests in the first
place so it's driving schools further in debt and people are too
{ignorant | lazy | naive | brainwashed | apathetic} to care about how
their tax dollars are being wasted. But that's a political argument
that doesn't belong here...just venting :-)
Point is, people by their nature are lazy, they will do the laziest
thing to achieve the result they want, and they don't want to know
squat about how their computer works even if it hurts them in the long
run (Where did you save the file?...Save it?...Yeah, where did you save
it?...I don't know...)
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Re: Very Dissapointed
thanks for your TROL, TROLL, TROLL, reply Keep in mind that i started using a computer with dos 3.3 on it and have used Micro$oft's products since i started using computers. I know jack shit about Unix/Linux. All I know is that it is good. But trying to use it seem to be more hassle then anything else. I really would like to have used FreeBSD, it seems to be much faster then any MS product and more stable but since it would take me forever to learn i might as well stick to micro$oft. And plus every time i seek help i get people like you. So How am i supposed to learn? This is a questions list. You didn't ask any question. You post was nothing but a meaningless rag on. That is the key identifying characteristic of a troll. If you want help, then ask for it. Someone might actually reply as has happened thousands of times in the past for people, including newbies, who are interested in learning the system and getting things working. But, if your only interest is blathering about how you would prefer to use Microsloth, then go do it and leave us alone! People here are committed to real use and improvement of FreeBSD and not trash talk (although some seem to enjoy the latter as well). That belongs on the advocacy list - post there and just see what they will do with it. Thank anyway for replying. You are welcome. I hope you learn something. jerry DK From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dk dkrules) CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Very Dissapointed Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:45:10 -0400 (EDT) I am very dissappointed. I have been looking on the net for 3 days now looking for easy setup guides or How to guides and setting up FreeBSD 5.x with transparent proxy and firewall and there simply is no easy way explaining to beginners how to do such a setup. No wonder that most people still prefer microsoft products. It is much easier to setup and there is a sh*t load of information to help you do it, But almost no usefull information on any website about freebsd? Not very good guys/gals. Troll Troll Troll Troll. Not very good guy. jerry DK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Find a job, book a flight, search for a car - visit MSN South Africa! http://www.msn.co.za/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Very Dissapointed
I am very dissappointed. I have been looking on the net for 3 days now looking for easy setup guides or How to guides and setting up FreeBSD 5.x with transparent proxy and firewall and there simply is no easy way explaining to beginners how to do such a setup. No wonder that most people still prefer microsoft products. It is much easier to setup and there is a sh*t load of information to help you do it, But almost no usefull information on any website about freebsd? Not very good guys/gals. DK _ Get news headlines and download FREE stuff - visit MSN South Africa! http://www.msn.co.za/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
I am very dissappointed. I have been looking on the net for 3 days now looking for easy setup guides or How to guides and setting up FreeBSD 5.x with transparent proxy and firewall and there simply is no easy way explaining to beginners how to do such a setup. No wonder that most people still prefer microsoft products. It is much easier to setup and there is a sh*t load of information to help you do it, But almost no usefull information on any website about freebsd? Not very good guys/gals. Troll Troll Troll Troll. Not very good guy. jerry DK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
On Jun 9, 2005, at 7:36 AM, dk dkrules wrote: I am very dissappointed. I have been looking on the net for 3 days now looking for easy setup guides or How to guides and setting up FreeBSD 5.x with transparent proxy and firewall and there simply is no easy way explaining to beginners how to do such a setup. No wonder that most people still prefer microsoft products. It is much easier to setup and there is a sh*t load of information to help you do it, But almost no usefull information on any website about freebsd? I'm sorry. It's very clear that the FreeBSD Lords will now have to nix their plans once again to rule the earth and stomp out any and all competition from the marketplace again until we can fix the whole it's not point and click to get task X to work the way I want it to thing again. And they tried so hard this time around too! It's really disheartening to hear how much better Windows is, but it also seems paradoxical...my stress level has fallen substantially since I switched my desktop machine to a Mac and many of our servers to FreeBSD and Linux. Very strange indeed! I don't know about the firewall rules, but all we did was set up Squid with a rule set up to redirect incoming port 80 requests to the port Squid was listening to. Then I enabled IP forwarding, and told all the clients using DHCP to use the FreeBSD (or Linux, depending on the site) server's IP as the gateway IP. Everyone went through Squid from that time on for proxying. We only did it because we needed people filtered, so I told Squid to run SquidGuard. Update the blacklists periodically and we are transparently proxying websites with few, if any, people knowing what was going on. Maybe someone else could help you with links on how to use the firewall rules or which port will provide a GUI for you to use in configuring the rules. Is there something so particular about your setup that a googling for FreeBSD and Squid won't yield sites that can help? A quick google for me came up with http://www.keypoint.com.au/knowledge.html?strid=1124 http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200209/squid.html http://www.freebsddiary.org/squid.php http://tomclegg.net/squid-tproxy Seems like these would be enough to get you started... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
On Thursday 09 June 2005 06:45, Jerry McAllister wrote: I am very dissappointed. I have been looking on the net for 3 days now looking for easy setup guides or How to guides and setting up FreeBSD 5.x with transparent proxy and firewall and there simply is no easy way explaining to beginners how to do such a setup. No wonder that most people still prefer microsoft products. It is much easier to setup and there is a sh*t load of information to help you do it, But almost no usefull information on any website about freebsd? Not very good guys/gals. dk, I just came in on the end of this, so I'm not sure what you've done. But you are correct that there aren't many guides for such a thing that a beginner could follow. These are no a beginner tasks. FreeBSD has a steep learning curve. Heck even Linux has a steep learning curve when you move from BSD! Ugh! What a mess that is! I recommend you divide the two tasks, transparent proxy and firewall, and then start here with the firewall setup: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html#FIREWALLS-INTRO You'll find that the file /etc/rc.conf is used to globally configure the firewall (i.e. turn it on, turn it off, customize it's overall behavior). Also take a look at /etc/rc.firewall (but for your own sake don't change it). This will give you some information on open, closed, simple, and some other firewall concepts. And don't be afraid to ask questions like What is this? How does that work? Can it do this? As you can see, comparison with MS is not likely to get you any constructive input :) Sorry, that's the nature of the BSD! I don't know the concept transparent proxy. Hopefully you will discover how that works as you build your firewall :) Good Luck! lane ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Lane wrote: As you can see, comparison with MS is not likely to get you any constructive input :) Sorry, that's the nature of the BSD! Ya' think? Is it EVER effective to basically say I'm used to X, Y is different and I'm not used to it, so Y sucks? Surprise! Other people that do use Y and have the contrary opinion may seem a little less likely to help ya' out if the attitude that is conveyed comes off as I'm not so sure of this, I don't like what I've seen so far, so I'm only halfheartedly trying...the stuff I'm used to takes less effort and less thinking to use... I'm not surprised one of the first responses was TROLL!! HE'S A TROLL! NO ONE BOTHER ANSWERING! All he really needed to do was email out saying what he's tried, what he's found, and what he's trying to achieve, then ask if anyone's tried it and has had success with it and if so ask if they could help him out. I would think that would have been slightly more effective in eliciting a response from people. Just ranting here. Friday's coming up soon :-) I don't know the concept transparent proxy. Hopefully you will discover how that works as you build your firewall :) I think a transparent proxy is a proxy that your users didn't know they were going through...their machines use it without any manual configuration to point to it, and usually they don't have a choice. For us, we just did it by just having the DHCP server hand out the Squid/SquidGuard filter as the gateway address for the clients and the Squid/SquidGuard filter then does IP Forwarding to the real gateway address. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
Lane wrote: I don't know the concept transparent proxy. Hopefully you will discover how that works as you build your firewall :) I'm not sure if he meant something like Microsoft's all-in-one filtering, authentication, caching, whatever product called Internet Security and Acceleration Server which is actually a kind of transparent proxy that filters packets from OSI layer 3 up to 7 as far as I know. This concept has many enthusiastic followers. ;-) Björn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
On 2005-06-09 08:59, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Lane wrote: I don't know the concept transparent proxy. Hopefully you will discover how that works as you build your firewall :) I think a transparent proxy is a proxy that your users didn't know they were going through...their machines use it without any manual configuration to point to it, and usually they don't have a choice. Bridging may also help a lot there. A machine that sits between two networks and acts as a bridge can still filter traffic with IPFW, but it has no IP address, so it's effectively invisible to the two sides of the network. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Dissapointed
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, dk dkrules wrote: I am very dissappointed. I have been looking on the net for 3 days now looking for easy setup guides or How to guides and setting up FreeBSD 5.x with transparent proxy and firewall and there simply is no easy way explaining to beginners how to do such a setup. 1) Before you start playing around with squid and firewall you have to make sure your FreeBSD box works as a gateway. 2) When this is done look into google for setup of squid as a transparent proxy (these are two or three entries in a config file). 3) enable firewall in /etc/rc.conf with lines like firewall_enable=YES firewall_script=/etc/firewall.conf 4) edit your /etc/firewall.conf with something like ipfw add 500 fwd 127.0.0.1 tcp from any to any 80 recv rl0 ipfw add 6 allow all from any to any where rl0 is the device name of your NIC. 5) reboot Regards, Uli. * * Peter Ulrich Kruppa - Wuppertal - Germany * * ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
