Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-26 Thread Uwe Laverenz
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:31:19PM -0400, Jeff Wheelhouse wrote:

> - the free license has some major restrictions about what you can do  
> with it.

Sorry, but I have to ask: could you please tell us what restrictions you
mean? AFAIK there aren't any restrictions that keep you from using ESXi
in production.

thanks,
Uwe

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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-23 Thread Jeff Wheelhouse


On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:41 AM, Uwe Laverenz wrote:


So the only restrictions for ESXi are:

- you have to register to get a serial number

- you have to buy ESX(i)-compatible hardware


- the free license has some major restrictions about what you can do  
with it.


Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-09 Thread Uwe Laverenz

Eric Masson schrieb:


http://vmware.com/products/esxi/

ESXi seems to be free, but not the entreprise administration tools.


ESXi is free and can be administrated with the Virtual Infrastructure 
Client (also free and included in ESXi). You don't have to pay for a 
license to run ESXi or your virtual machines on it.


You only need to buy a license if you want to integrate ESXi into a VCenter.

So the only restrictions for ESXi are:

- you have to register to get a serial number

- you have to buy ESX(i)-compatible hardware


bye,
Uwe
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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-09 Thread Eric Masson
Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hi,

> I  thought that the VMware ESX  is just a trial version that quits
> running after a few weeks.  But if I am wrong about that, let me know.

>From :
http://vmware.com/products/esxi/

ESXi seems to be free, but not the entreprise administration tools.

Éric Masson

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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-09 Thread Greg Larkin
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Derek Ragona wrote:
> At 04:17 AM 9/9/2008, Albert Shih wrote:
>>  Le 08/09/2008 à 23:37:38-0400, Michael a écrit
>> >
>> >
>> > Derek Ragona wrote:
>> > > I have a FreeBSD 7 release I wanted to use as a host for virtual
>> > > machines.  What software is anyone else using to host virtual
>> machines
>> > > under FreeBSD?
>> > >
>> > > I'd just like to here what has worked, or what has not worked.  I
>> find
>> > > it easier to find a solution asking for real world experiences.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for your help.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Derek
>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >  >> In my honest opinion, there aren't many good ways of doing what I
>> > think you're wanting.
>> > VMware is a no go for now, or probably any time soon. I don't think
>> > virtualbox is running on freebsd yet. You could use jails, for just
>> > other freebsd installs, not really a VM so to speak.
>>
>> Well, depend what's you going to do with virtual machine, but jail is
>> something very fine for apache/php server, databases etc... because you
>> don't slow down the I/O (like vmware did).
>>
>> > bochs is crap for this purpose, simics doesn't run on it worth a crap
>> > either. If I were you, I would use something else. say a hypervisor
>> > running on bare hardware, ie: VMware ESX, or similar. I would say
>> xen if
>> > it was ready, but I don't think it is.
>>
>> And just for information VMware ESX is free now.
> 
> I  thought that the VMware ESX  is just a trial version that quits
> running after a few weeks.  But if I am wrong about that, let me know.
> 
> -Derek
> 

Hi Derek,

Nope, it is free.  Check out: http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi/uses.html

One thing to note, though.  It still needs approved hardware to install.
 At the moment, I have installed it into a VM within VMware Workstation
to achieve that.

I'll have to do some testing to see how performace suffers!  It might be
fine for a test environment, which is what I'm using it for.

Regards,
Greg
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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-09 Thread Derek Ragona

At 12:27 AM 9/9/2008, Alain G. Fabry wrote:

On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 10:21:56PM -0500, Derek Ragona wrote:
> I have a FreeBSD 7 release I wanted to use as a host for virtual
> machines.  What software is anyone else using to host virtual machines
> under FreeBSD?
>

I use Qemu and run XP, Solaris, Gentoo, and FreeBSD as guests.
Speed is not super, but workable for me since it is just to play with.


Did you install qemu just from the ports?

-Derek

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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-09 Thread Derek Ragona

At 04:17 AM 9/9/2008, Albert Shih wrote:

 Le 08/09/2008 à 23:37:38-0400, Michael a écrit
>
>
> Derek Ragona wrote:
> > I have a FreeBSD 7 release I wanted to use as a host for virtual
> > machines.  What software is anyone else using to host virtual machines
> > under FreeBSD?
> >
> > I'd just like to here what has worked, or what has not worked.  I find
> > it easier to find a solution asking for real world experiences.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Derek
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
>  >> In my honest opinion, there aren't many good ways of doing what I
> think you're wanting.
> VMware is a no go for now, or probably any time soon. I don't think
> virtualbox is running on freebsd yet. You could use jails, for just
> other freebsd installs, not really a VM so to speak.

Well, depend what's you going to do with virtual machine, but jail is
something very fine for apache/php server, databases etc... because you
don't slow down the I/O (like vmware did).

> bochs is crap for this purpose, simics doesn't run on it worth a crap
> either. If I were you, I would use something else. say a hypervisor
> running on bare hardware, ie: VMware ESX, or similar. I would say xen if
> it was ready, but I don't think it is.

And just for information VMware ESX is free now.


I  thought that the VMware ESX  is just a trial version that quits running 
after a few weeks.  But if I am wrong about that, let me know.


-Derek

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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-09 Thread Albert Shih
 Le 08/09/2008 à 23:37:38-0400, Michael a écrit
> 
> 
> Derek Ragona wrote:
> > I have a FreeBSD 7 release I wanted to use as a host for virtual 
> > machines.  What software is anyone else using to host virtual machines 
> > under FreeBSD?
> >
> > I'd just like to here what has worked, or what has not worked.  I find 
> > it easier to find a solution asking for real world experiences.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Derek
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
>  >> In my honest opinion, there aren't many good ways of doing what I 
> think you're wanting.
> VMware is a no go for now, or probably any time soon. I don't think 
> virtualbox is running on freebsd yet. You could use jails, for just 
> other freebsd installs, not really a VM so to speak.

Well, depend what's you going to do with virtual machine, but jail is
something very fine for apache/php server, databases etc... because you
don't slow down the I/O (like vmware did). 

> bochs is crap for this purpose, simics doesn't run on it worth a crap 
> either. If I were you, I would use something else. say a hypervisor 
> running on bare hardware, ie: VMware ESX, or similar. I would say xen if 
> it was ready, but I don't think it is.

And just for information VMware ESX is free now.

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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-08 Thread Alain G. Fabry
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 10:21:56PM -0500, Derek Ragona wrote:
> I have a FreeBSD 7 release I wanted to use as a host for virtual 
> machines.  What software is anyone else using to host virtual machines 
> under FreeBSD?
> 

I use Qemu and run XP, Solaris, Gentoo, and FreeBSD as guests.
Speed is not super, but workable for me since it is just to play with.


> I'd just like to here what has worked, or what has not worked.  I find it 
> easier to find a solution asking for real world experiences.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> 
> 
> -Derek
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
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Re: {Spam?} Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-08 Thread Derek Ragona

At 10:37 PM 9/8/2008, Michael wrote:



Derek Ragona wrote:
I have a FreeBSD 7 release I wanted to use as a host for virtual 
machines.  What software is anyone else using to host virtual machines 
under FreeBSD?


I'd just like to here what has worked, or what has not worked.  I find it 
easier to find a solution asking for real world experiences.


Thanks for your help.



-Derek
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>> In my honest opinion, there aren't many good ways of doing what I 
think you're wanting.
VMware is a no go for now, or probably any time soon. I don't think 
virtualbox is running on freebsd yet. You could use jails, for just other 
freebsd installs, not really a VM so to speak.
bochs is crap for this purpose, simics doesn't run on it worth a crap 
either. If I were you, I would use something else. say a hypervisor 
running on bare hardware, ie: VMware ESX, or similar. I would say xen if 
it was ready, but I don't think it is.


Cheers Mate,

Mike


Mike,

Thanks for the quick response.  I had seen that there are a lot of 
non-working virtual machine implementations.  It seems a shame that as well 
as FreeBSD runs there are no ways to run a VM on it.


-Derek


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Re: Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-08 Thread Michael



Derek Ragona wrote:
I have a FreeBSD 7 release I wanted to use as a host for virtual 
machines.  What software is anyone else using to host virtual machines 
under FreeBSD?


I'd just like to here what has worked, or what has not worked.  I find 
it easier to find a solution asking for real world experiences.


Thanks for your help.



-Derek
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



>> In my honest opinion, there aren't many good ways of doing what I 
think you're wanting.
VMware is a no go for now, or probably any time soon. I don't think 
virtualbox is running on freebsd yet. You could use jails, for just 
other freebsd installs, not really a VM so to speak.
bochs is crap for this purpose, simics doesn't run on it worth a crap 
either. If I were you, I would use something else. say a hypervisor 
running on bare hardware, ie: VMware ESX, or similar. I would say xen if 
it was ready, but I don't think it is.


Cheers Mate,

Mike
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Virtual machines hosted on FreeBSD 7

2008-09-08 Thread Derek Ragona
I have a FreeBSD 7 release I wanted to use as a host for virtual 
machines.  What software is anyone else using to host virtual machines 
under FreeBSD?


I'd just like to here what has worked, or what has not worked.  I find it 
easier to find a solution asking for real world experiences.


Thanks for your help.



-Derek
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