Re: What is ata2 ?
Eventually I would like to achieve this: I have another, very old, PC with following configuration: IDE/0 (on motherboard) master and slave HDs IDE/1 (on motherboard) -broken- I like to use this soundcard/IDE controller for adding a CDrom to this very old PC. The OS of this PC is 4-Stable. I don't think it'll work for that - too bastardized. I don't know what they did but they might have changed the pinout or something so that it was only compatible with Creative CD-ROMs. In the best case, if you got it to work, it would be deathly slow. Too bad, as the soundcard itself seems to be recognized properly by 5-Stable: Well, one question might be how fast you need it to be. Another, of course, is how the time spent trying to bring it up and the education gained thereby would compare with just requisitioning a card for the borked motherboard. Yet another question could be how much the lab wants to invest on a slow motherboard with broken curcuitry (which might also depend on what borked the on-board ATA controller). ATA controllers can be pretty cheap, particularly if you don't need to boot from them or build raid on them. Motherboards aren't necessarily all that expensive, either, especially if the application doesn't demand fast response. # kldload snd_sb16 # kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 19 0xc040 275764 kernel 22 0xc0676000 18a44miibus.ko 31 0xc068f000 6b98 if_rl.ko 41 0xc0696000 b1b8 random.ko 51 0xc1118000 4000 snd_sb16.ko 62 0xc111c000 18000sound.ko 71 0xc113b000 4000 snd_sbc.ko # cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: SB16 DSP 4.13 at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:5 bufsz 4096d kld snd_sb16 (1p/1r/0v channels duplex default) Anyway, if I buy a PCI IDE controller, would that work easily with FreeBSD (4- or 5-Stable alike) ? If you do buy a controller, check the hardware compatibility list and also check that the board works with a slow, older motherboard. My impression is that support for some boards is not compiled in, so you may be faced with compiling your own kernel. (If I understand the handbook correctly.) I am faced with exactly this question, but I have a lot of other problems with higher priority, so I've been dodging it. -- Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] digitcom, inc. 株式会社デジコム Kobe, Japan +81-78-672-8800 ** http://www.ddcom.co.jp ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: What is ata2 ?
Joel wrote: Yet another question could be how much the lab wants to invest on a slow motherboard with broken curcuitry (which might also depend on what borked the on-board ATA controller). Although it's going a bit out-of-topic, the situation is that the Windows desease is very effective here. Only unused, redundant computers are available for my alien Unix experiments. Hence my trouble with ata2 on an old PC. However, I'm not too unhappy with all this, since one of my hobbies has become to give discarded computers a second Unix life, in which they sometimes outperform the newer ones powered by Windows. Having one such old PC now running FreeBSD and being used for data acquisition, is one of my personal victories in the lab :). Rob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
The sounds cards IDE interface is not a standard IDE. It is for Creative's own CD-ROM drive. The was a drive matcd that would work with these drives, but I don't see it in the LINT config file. On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel wrote: For now, another, possibly silly, question: If this is indeed a multifunctional multimedia card, then does that mean I can connect another harddisk to this card, and it will be recognized as a harddisk on ata2 ? Very likely. However, if freeBSD does what some other OSses do when it sees the added disk, you may find you need to edit /etc/fstab . OK, I have opened the box and had a look at this ISA card. It's indeed a sound card, Creative SB16/SB32. But it also has one IDE Interface connector, which apparently is the ata2 device. So, I thought, let's see how I get this ata2 to work. I disconnected the CDrom cable from the motherboard's IDE, and connected it to this soundcard. Nothing there at bootup; no mentioning of any CDrom in the kernel messages. (To be sure, I reconnected the cable the other way round to the card; same result). Does this ISA/IDE require some other additional tweaks to become operational? The OS is 5-Stable. --- Eventually I would like to achieve this: I have another, very old, PC with following configuration: IDE/0 (on motherboard) master and slave harddisks IDE/1 (on motherboard) -broken- I like to use this soundcard/IDE controller for adding a CDrom to this very old PC. The OS of this PC is 4-Stable. Thanks for your help! Rob. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Hughes Log Home living is the best [EMAIL PROTECTED] Temperatures: Outside: 45.8 House: 68.6 Computer room: 69.6 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
Joel wrote: For now, another, possibly silly, question: If this is indeed a multifunctional multimedia card, then does that mean I can connect another harddisk to this card, and it will be recognized as a harddisk on ata2 ? Very likely. However, if freeBSD does what some other OSses do when it sees the added disk, you may find you need to edit /etc/fstab . OK, I have opened the box and had a look at this ISA card. It's indeed a sound card, Creative SB16/SB32. But it also has one IDE Interface connector, which apparently is the ata2 device. So, I thought, let's see how I get this ata2 to work. I disconnected the CDrom cable from the motherboard's IDE, and connected it to this soundcard. Nothing there at bootup; no mentioning of any CDrom in the kernel messages. (To be sure, I reconnected the cable the other way round to the card; same result). Does this ISA/IDE require some other additional tweaks to become operational? The OS is 5-Stable. --- Eventually I would like to achieve this: I have another, very old, PC with following configuration: IDE/0 (on motherboard) master and slave harddisks IDE/1 (on motherboard) -broken- I like to use this soundcard/IDE controller for adding a CDrom to this very old PC. The OS of this PC is 4-Stable. Thanks for your help! Rob. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 07:48:00AM -0700, Rob wrote: OK, I have opened the box and had a look at this ISA card. It's indeed a sound card, Creative SB16/SB32. But it also has one IDE Interface connector, which apparently is the ata2 device. Wow, this *is* an old machine! So, I thought, let's see how I get this ata2 to work. I disconnected the CDrom cable from the motherboard's IDE, and connected it to this soundcard. Nothing there at bootup; no mentioning of any CDrom in the kernel messages. (To be sure, I reconnected the cable the other way round to the card; same result). Does this ISA/IDE require some other additional tweaks to become operational? The OS is 5-Stable. I never tried running it under any BSD. ISTR that it was a very messed-up IDE interface which only worked with Creative's brand CD-ROMs. I saw a bunch of these back in the day as they were marketed as upgrade kits when CD-ROMs were just hitting mass-market computers, and lots of people wanted to add CD-ROMs and sound to their old computers so they could play games. A soundcard with extra IDE + a CD-ROM got them there, barely. Eventually I would like to achieve this: I have another, very old, PC with following configuration: IDE/0 (on motherboard) master and slave harddisks IDE/1 (on motherboard) -broken- I like to use this soundcard/IDE controller for adding a CDrom to this very old PC. The OS of this PC is 4-Stable. I don't think it'll work for that - too bastardized. I don't know what they did but they might have changed the pinout or something so that it was only compatible with Creative CD-ROMs. In the best case, if you got it to work, it would be deathly slow. -- Clifton -- Clifton Royston -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tiki Technologies Lead Programmer/Software Architect I'm gonna tell my son to grow up pretty as the grass is green And whip-smart as the English Channel's wide... -- 'Whip-Smart', Liz Phair ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
I don't think it'll work for that - too bastardized. I don't know what they did but they might have changed the pinout or something so that it was only compatible with Creative CD-ROMs. In the best case, if you got it to work, it would be deathly slow. -- Clifton I can't imagine why you couldn't get it to work. But for what limited performance you will get in return for your time spent, you would probably be better off with a more modern PCI card. However if you are that curious: http://us.creative.com/support/identifyproduct/ may be a good starting point. R. Bowers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
--- Clifton Royston wrote: On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 07:48:00AM -0700, Rob wrote: Eventually I would like to achieve this: I have another, very old, PC with following configuration: IDE/0 (on motherboard) master and slave HDs IDE/1 (on motherboard) -broken- I like to use this soundcard/IDE controller for adding a CDrom to this very old PC. The OS of this PC is 4-Stable. I don't think it'll work for that - too bastardized. I don't know what they did but they might have changed the pinout or something so that it was only compatible with Creative CD-ROMs. In the best case, if you got it to work, it would be deathly slow. Too bad, as the soundcard itself seems to be recognized properly by 5-Stable: # kldload snd_sb16 # kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 19 0xc040 275764 kernel 22 0xc0676000 18a44miibus.ko 31 0xc068f000 6b98 if_rl.ko 41 0xc0696000 b1b8 random.ko 51 0xc1118000 4000 snd_sb16.ko 62 0xc111c000 18000sound.ko 71 0xc113b000 4000 snd_sbc.ko # cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: SB16 DSP 4.13 at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:5 bufsz 4096d kld snd_sb16 (1p/1r/0v channels duplex default) Anyway, if I buy a PCI IDE controller, would that work easily with FreeBSD (4- or 5-Stable alike) ? Thanks, Rob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 07:31:01PM -0700, Rob wrote: --- Clifton Royston wrote: On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 07:48:00AM -0700, Rob wrote: Eventually I would like to achieve this: I have another, very old, PC with following configuration: IDE/0 (on motherboard) master and slave HDs IDE/1 (on motherboard) -broken- I like to use this soundcard/IDE controller for adding a CDrom to this very old PC. The OS of this PC is 4-Stable. I don't think it'll work for that - too bastardized. I don't know what they did but they might have changed the pinout or something so that it was only compatible with Creative CD-ROMs. In the best case, if you got it to work, it would be deathly slow. Too bad, as the soundcard itself seems to be recognized properly by 5-Stable: You could always try... but as I recall you did, and it didn't work. Maybe worth googling for, but if you've got a working PCI slot, a cheap IDE card should be many times faster. The Creative ISA card was designed in an era when a fast CD-ROM was 2x, not 52x. -- Clifton -- Clifton Royston -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tiki Technologies Lead Programmer/Software Architect I'm gonna tell my son to grow up pretty as the grass is green And whip-smart as the English Channel's wide... -- 'Whip-Smart', Liz Phair ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
Joel wrote: I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? From here, with the limited information you've provided, I'm guessing you can, if you have the cables and the spare power connectors. I'm quite keen on trying to understand this. yeah, yeah It's also been suggested that this may be on a multifunction card, which would typically be a multimedia card. OK, I will soon shut the system down and inspect the inside of the box. For now, another, possibly silly, question: If this is indeed a multifunctional multimedia card, then does that mean I can connect another harddisk to this card, and it will be recognized as a harddisk on ata2 ? And connect my speakers at the speaker connectors and play music with the very same card? And, eh, this is a rather old PC. Dmesg says: CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (239.83-MHz 686-class CPU) Regards, Rob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
--- jason henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob wrote: Joel wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? You have more than 2 controllers. A whole dmesg would help, or just tell us your make/model of your motherboard. Don't know the details of my motherboard. Whole dmesg output is here: http://surfion.snu.ac.kr/~lahaye/dmesg.boot BTW, vmstat -ia might be usefull, most likely not. interrupt total rate ???0 0 irq0: clk 11778458100 stray irq0 0 0 irq1: atkbd0 1 0 stray irq1 0 0 irq3: sio1 258 0 stray irq3 0 0 irq4: sio0 5 0 stray irq4 0 0 irq5: 0 0 stray irq5 0 0 irq6: 0 0 stray irq6 0 0 irq7: 0 0 stray irq7 0 0 irq8: rtc 15075329128 stray irq8 0 0 irq9: 0 0 stray irq9 0 0 irq10: ata20 0 stray irq100 0 irq11: rl0 uhci0 211528 1 stray irq110 0 irq12: 0 0 stray irq120 0 irq13: npx01 0 stray irq130 0 irq14: ata0 495290 4 stray irq140 0 irq15: ata1 46 0 stray irq150 0 Total 27560916234 Does that tell more about the ata2 controller on this PC? Thanks, Rob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
It's also been suggested that this may be on a multifunction card, which would typically be a multimedia card. OK, I will soon shut the system down and inspect the inside of the box. Was going to complain that you hadn't done that earlier, but maybe you've been in the middle of a long build world or something. For now, another, possibly silly, question: If this is indeed a multifunctional multimedia card, then does that mean I can connect another harddisk to this card, and it will be recognized as a harddisk on ata2 ? Very likely. However, if freeBSD does what some other OSses do when it sees the added disk, you may find you need to edit /etc/fstab . And connect my speakers at the speaker connectors and play music with the very same card? Maybe. Probably. Won't know unless you try it. And, eh, this is a rather old PC. Dmesg says: CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (239.83-MHz 686-class CPU) I kind of expected that. -- Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] digitcom, inc. 株式会社デジコム Kobe, Japan +81-78-672-8800 ** http://www.ddcom.co.jp ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: What is ata2 ?
Don't know the details of my motherboard. Whole dmesg output is here: http://surfion.snu.ac.kr/~lahaye/dmesg.boot BTW, vmstat -ia might be usefull, most likely not. interrupt total rate ???0 0 irq0: clk 11778458100 stray irq0 0 0 irq1: atkbd0 1 0 stray irq1 0 0 irq3: sio1 258 0 stray irq3 0 0 irq4: sio0 5 0 stray irq4 0 0 irq5: 0 0 stray irq5 0 0 irq6: 0 0 stray irq6 0 0 irq7: 0 0 stray irq7 0 0 irq8: rtc 15075329128 stray irq8 0 0 irq9: 0 0 stray irq9 0 0 irq10: ata20 0 stray irq100 0 irq11: rl0 uhci0 211528 1 stray irq110 0 irq12: 0 0 stray irq120 0 irq13: npx01 0 stray irq130 0 irq14: ata0 495290 4 stray irq140 0 irq15: ata1 46 0 stray irq150 0 Total 27560916234 Does that tell more about the ata2 controller on this PC? Thanks, Rob. yeah, it is not being used and it has an irq. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
Rob wrote: --- jason henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob wrote: Joel wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? You have more than 2 controllers. A whole dmesg would help, or just tell us your make/model of your motherboard. Don't know the details of my motherboard. Whole dmesg output is here: http://surfion.snu.ac.kr/~lahaye/dmesg.boot So you have an intel 440bx chipset. From what I see at intel's site there is just the standard ide controller on the chipset. Ata 0 and 1 are intel for sure, and like some one else said the ata2 is likely an add in card or an extra chip on your motherboard. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
It's also been suggested that this may be on a multifunction card, which would typically be a multimedia card. OK, I will soon shut the system down and inspect the inside of the box. Was going to complain that you hadn't done that earlier, but maybe you've been in the middle of a long build world or something. No, this PC is used for data acquisition via the serial port, which is attached to experimental equipment (I'm in a physical chemistry lab). Close enough. Only when the experimental guys take a break, I will have time to shut the system down and inpect its hardware. Have fun with /etc/fstab , of course. -- Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] digitcom, inc. 株式会社デジコム Kobe, Japan +81-78-672-8800 ** http://www.ddcom.co.jp ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
What is ata2 ?
Hi, I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? This particular PC is running 5-Stable. Thanks, Rob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Hi, I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Think inside the box? (sorry. bad joke, I know.) If you look inside the box, do you find, among the controller cards plugged into the bus, an ATA/IDE controller card? Another thought that comes to mind is the USB-ATA converters. Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? From here, with the limited information you've provided, I'm guessing you can, if you have the cables and the spare power connectors. -- Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] digitcom, inc. 株式会社デジコム Kobe, Japan +81-78-672-8800 ** http://www.ddcom.co.jp ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: What is ata2 ?
Joel wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? From here, with the limited information you've provided, I'm guessing you can, if you have the cables and the spare power connectors. I'm quite keen on trying to understand this. So let me try to provide more information below. As above lines show, the ata2 controller is on interrupt 10: # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq0: clk 10392173100 irq1: atkbd0 1 0 irq3: sio1 219 0 irq4: sio0 1 0 irq8: rtc 13301014128 irq11: rl0 uhci0 187119 1 irq13: npx01 0 irq14: ata0 491426 4 irq15: ata1 46 0 Total 24372000234 But interrupt 10 is not there !?! # atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 Slave: ad1 QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 ATA channel 1: Master: acd0 GCR-8521B/1.02 ATA/ATAPI revision 0 Slave: no device present ATA channel 2: Master: no device present Slave: no device present -- You also mentioned USB possibility: # grep -i usb /var/run/dmesg.boot uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 11 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 What would you conclude from this? Is this ata2 another IDE controller, so that I can add 6 (instead of the normal 4) harddisks/cdroms etc. to this computer? Thanks, Rob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
I'm real new to the FreeBSD world so I might be way off on this. Any chance it's an IDE controller on a soundcard? Probably ISA by what i'm reading below. R. Bowers Rob wrote: Joel wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? From here, with the limited information you've provided, I'm guessing you can, if you have the cables and the spare power connectors. I'm quite keen on trying to understand this. So let me try to provide more information below. As above lines show, the ata2 controller is on interrupt 10: # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq0: clk 10392173100 irq1: atkbd0 1 0 irq3: sio1 219 0 irq4: sio0 1 0 irq8: rtc 13301014128 irq11: rl0 uhci0 187119 1 irq13: npx01 0 irq14: ata0 491426 4 irq15: ata1 46 0 Total 24372000234 But interrupt 10 is not there !?! # atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 Slave: ad1 QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 ATA channel 1: Master: acd0 GCR-8521B/1.02 ATA/ATAPI revision 0 Slave: no device present ATA channel 2: Master: no device present Slave: no device present -- You also mentioned USB possibility: # grep -i usb /var/run/dmesg.boot uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 11 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 What would you conclude from this? Is this ata2 another IDE controller, so that I can add 6 (instead of the normal 4) harddisks/cdroms etc. to this computer? Thanks, Rob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
On Tuesday 26 April 2005 08:13 pm, Rob Bowers wrote: I'm real new to the FreeBSD world so I might be way off on this. Any chance it's an IDE controller on a soundcard? Probably ISA by what i'm reading below. Some of the motherboards have 4 IDE controllers. The last 2 are frequently RAIDable. Now I see 2 IDE and a SATA. I haven't purchased one of the SATA's. IIRC, the high rate ATA's want one HD per controller. That is how my systems are configured. Kent R. Bowers Rob wrote: Joel wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? From here, with the limited information you've provided, I'm guessing you can, if you have the cables and the spare power connectors. I'm quite keen on trying to understand this. So let me try to provide more information below. As above lines show, the ata2 controller is on interrupt 10: # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq0: clk 10392173100 irq1: atkbd0 1 0 irq3: sio1 219 0 irq4: sio0 1 0 irq8: rtc 13301014128 irq11: rl0 uhci0 187119 1 irq13: npx01 0 irq14: ata0 491426 4 irq15: ata1 46 0 Total 24372000234 But interrupt 10 is not there !?! # atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 Slave: ad1 QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 ATA channel 1: Master: acd0 GCR-8521B/1.02 ATA/ATAPI revision 0 Slave: no device present ATA channel 2: Master: no device present Slave: no device present -- You also mentioned USB possibility: # grep -i usb /var/run/dmesg.boot uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 11 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 What would you conclude from this? Is this ata2 another IDE controller, so that I can add 6 (instead of the normal 4) harddisks/cdroms etc. to this computer? Thanks, Rob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is ata2 ?
I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? From here, with the limited information you've provided, I'm guessing you can, if you have the cables and the spare power connectors. I'm quite keen on trying to understand this. yeah, yeah So let me try to provide more information below. As above lines show, the ata2 controller is on interrupt 10: # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq0: clk 10392173100 irq1: atkbd0 1 0 irq3: sio1 219 0 irq4: sio0 1 0 irq8: rtc 13301014128 irq11: rl0 uhci0 187119 1 irq13: npx01 0 irq14: ata0 491426 4 irq15: ata1 46 0 Total 24372000234 But interrupt 10 is not there !?! You were expecting interrupts on irq10? Where would they come from? # atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 Slave: ad1 QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 I count two hard disks on the primary channel of your first ATA controller, which is probably on the motherboard itself. Not to unusual, although very few controllers allow you to access both drives concurrently. ATA channel 1: Master: acd0 GCR-8521B/1.02 ATA/ATAPI revision 0 Slave: no device present I count one CD drive on the secondary channel of your first ATA controller. That's standard, since mixing CD-drives and HD drives on the same controller tends to produce less than satisfying results. If you look at the motherboard, you should see two sockets grouped together, with ribbon cables trailing off to the drives. One cable will have two hard drives plugged into it, the other should have the end plug plugged into the CD drive and the middle plug empty. ATA channel 2: Master: no device present Slave: no device present As has been suggested, this may be on the motherboard, but it might be an SATA connector instead of an ATA connector. It's also been suggested that this may be on a multifunction card, which would typically be a multimedia card. The reason that they are suggesting that it is not a regular ATA controller card would be that there is only one channel shown. Most regular ATA controller cards would give you two more channels, primary and secondary. -- You also mentioned USB possibility: # grep -i usb /var/run/dmesg.boot uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 11 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 What would you conclude from this? Not much. However, I'm trying to remember if ATA over USB generally tends to pretend to be SCSI, and if that's the case, I'd likely guess that it's not USB. Anyway, it's hard to see inside your box from here. Is this ata2 another IDE controller, so that I can add 6 (instead of the normal 4) harddisks/cdroms etc. to this computer? You're the closest to the box, I think. What's the box look like inside? Incidentally, and as has been mentioned, there are performance advantages to not using the slave. -- Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] digitcom, inc. 株式会社デジコム Kobe, Japan +81-78-672-8800 ** http://www.ddcom.co.jp ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: What is ata2 ?
Rob wrote: Joel wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I'm running FreeBSD on a range of PCs, from Pentium-1 (60 MHz) to Pentium-4 (2.60GHz), though none but one has a 'ata2' line in the dmesg output: ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 ... ata2: Generic ESDI/IDE/ATA controller at port 0x36e-0x36f,0x168-0x16f irq 10 on isa0 ad0: 6149MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 4892MB QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 [10602/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM GCR-8521B/1.02 at ata1-master PIO4 What is so special about this particular PC, that it has an ata2, unlike all other PCs I have? Can I add more than 4 disks (2 masters + 2 slaves) to this PC? Or is this ata2 for something else? From here, with the limited information you've provided, I'm guessing you can, if you have the cables and the spare power connectors. I'm quite keen on trying to understand this. So let me try to provide more information below. As above lines show, the ata2 controller is on interrupt 10: # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq0: clk 10392173100 irq1: atkbd0 1 0 irq3: sio1 219 0 irq4: sio0 1 0 irq8: rtc 13301014128 irq11: rl0 uhci0 187119 1 irq13: npx01 0 irq14: ata0 491426 4 irq15: ata1 46 0 Total 24372000234 But interrupt 10 is not there !?! # atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A/A0A.0D00 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 Slave: ad1 QUANTUM FIREBALL EL5.1A/A08.1100 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 ATA channel 1: Master: acd0 GCR-8521B/1.02 ATA/ATAPI revision 0 Slave: no device present ATA channel 2: Master: no device present Slave: no device present -- You also mentioned USB possibility: # grep -i usb /var/run/dmesg.boot uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 11 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 What would you conclude from this? Is this ata2 another IDE controller, so that I can add 6 (instead of the normal 4) harddisks/cdroms etc. to this computer? Thanks, Rob. __ You have more than 2 controllers. A whole dmesg would help, or just tell us your make/model of your motherboard. BTW, vmstat -ia might be usefull, most likely not. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
