Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi,

On 02 June 2012 AM 11:25:52 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Julian H. Stacey  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you very much .
> 
this is the same what I new comer from Windows will say after getting responses 
like this.

He will then take out his Windows installation medium and feel happy with 
Windows. Every neighbour will be willing to help without a discussion about how 
this should be done.

Erich
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Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?

2012-06-02 Thread Joe Gain
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
 wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Julian H. Stacey  wrote:
>
>> Jason Hellenthal wrote:
>> > Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the
>> > bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because.
>>
>> Agreed !  Many replies were sent to Wrong lists.
>>
>> Original poster & respondents abused stable@ & questions@
>>        Cross posting 2 lists un-necessarily, despite:
>>
>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL
>>                        "C.1.3 List Charters
>>                        Rules of the road:
>>                        No posting should be made to more than 2
>>                        mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear
>>                        and obvious need ..."
>>
>>                There was a desire, as always, but no need.  (so I
>>                removed cc: stable@ on this post, to avoid this
>>                post also breaking that rule, (on the basis that
>>                stable@ readership are more likely to already know
>>                about Not cross posting, & using the Right list,
>>                as questions@ started as a target list to point
>>                clueless new users to, from /etc/motd.  (It was
>>                expected as users grew experienced, they'd subscribe
>>                other lists themed to their interests.)))
>>
>>        Noise was emitted to lists with wrong remits.
>>                advoc...@freebsd.org exists for promo. talk inc. re. wiki.
>>
>> Please read list remits, & conform to them, & subscribe appropriate lists.
>>        http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
>>        http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
>>                "Furthering the Use of FreeBSD
>>                Share ideas and plan to increase the number of
>>                companies and individuals using FreeBSD"
>>
>>        http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable
>>                "This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-stable.
>>                the stable cvsup target is built from the latest
>>                official RELEASE with the addition of critical bug fixes."
>>
>>        http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>>                "This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD.
>>                You should not send "how to" questions to the
>>                technical lists unless you consider the question
>>                to be pretty technical."
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Julian
>> --
>> Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich
>> http://berklix.com
>>  Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ".
>>  Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64,
>> quoted-printable.
>>        Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix.  http://berklix.org/yahoo/
>
>
>
> The question "Why are you using FreeBSD ?" was a very good one , but , in
> my opinion , other side "Why are you not using FreeBSD?" would be
> appropriate , because in engineering , everything for any subject is

I don't think these kinds of _very_ general questions are really
helpful and there
are a lot of them. I guess, because there are no sales representatives giving
people advice about FreeBSD, people feel more confident when they get some
advice from a mailing list about what sought of hardware people have used to
successfully do some task or other. Especially, when this involves buying
something expensive.

But in general, why are you using/ not using operating system 'x' is not a good
question because there are so many variables and you can't compare the
results in any really conclusive way.

The best thing is to just try it, and anyway, *with FreeBSD the software itself
will not cost you any money*. Maybe you will be surprised, maybe you won't be.
I mean there is no single specific task that general purpose OSs like FreeBSD
are designed for.

>
> - Advantages
> - Disadvantages
>
> When "Disadvantages" is NOT evaluated sufficiently well , the results
> mostly will be unpredictable .

I think, it's fair to say that the results will be somewhat unpredictable, maybe
in a positive way, maybe not.

>
> Instead of corrupting the original thread , I wanted to help to cover the
> other side in parallel to the
> original question .
>
> If you think , my response is unconscious , here is the my subscription
> list to FreeBSD mailing lists :
>
>
> freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-chrom...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-a...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-clus...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-datab...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-emulat...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-gn...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-hardw...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-multime...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-performa...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-po...@freebsd.org
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> freebsd-sm

Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?

2012-06-02 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Julian H. Stacey  wrote:

> Jason Hellenthal wrote:
> > Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the
> > bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because.
>
> Agreed !  Many replies were sent to Wrong lists.
>
> Original poster & respondents abused stable@ & questions@
>Cross posting 2 lists un-necessarily, despite:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL
>"C.1.3 List Charters
>Rules of the road:
>No posting should be made to more than 2
>mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear
>and obvious need ..."
>
>There was a desire, as always, but no need.  (so I
>removed cc: stable@ on this post, to avoid this
>post also breaking that rule, (on the basis that
>stable@ readership are more likely to already know
>about Not cross posting, & using the Right list,
>as questions@ started as a target list to point
>clueless new users to, from /etc/motd.  (It was
>expected as users grew experienced, they'd subscribe
>other lists themed to their interests.)))
>
>Noise was emitted to lists with wrong remits.
>advoc...@freebsd.org exists for promo. talk inc. re. wiki.
>
> Please read list remits, & conform to them, & subscribe appropriate lists.
>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
>"Furthering the Use of FreeBSD
>Share ideas and plan to increase the number of
>companies and individuals using FreeBSD"
>
>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable
>"This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-stable.
>the stable cvsup target is built from the latest
>official RELEASE with the addition of critical bug fixes."
>
>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>"This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD.
>You should not send "how to" questions to the
>technical lists unless you consider the question
>to be pretty technical."
>
> Cheers,
> Julian
> --
> Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich
> http://berklix.com
>  Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ".
>  Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64,
> quoted-printable.
>Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix.  http://berklix.org/yahoo/



The question "Why are you using FreeBSD ?" was a very good one , but , in
my opinion , other side "Why are you not using FreeBSD?" would be
appropriate , because in engineering , everything for any subject is

- Advantages
- Disadvantages

When "Disadvantages" is NOT evaluated sufficiently well , the results
mostly will be unpredictable .

Instead of corrupting the original thread , I wanted to help to cover the
other side in parallel to the
original question .

If you think , my response is unconscious , here is the my subscription
list to FreeBSD mailing lists :


freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org
freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org
freebsd-chrom...@freebsd.org
freebsd-a...@freebsd.org
freebsd-clus...@freebsd.org
freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org
freebsd-datab...@freebsd.org
freebsd-...@freebsd.org
freebsd-emulat...@freebsd.org
freebsd-gn...@freebsd.org
freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
freebsd-hardw...@freebsd.org
freebsd-multime...@freebsd.org
freebsd-...@freebsd.org
freebsd-performa...@freebsd.org
freebsd-po...@freebsd.org
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
freebsd-sm...@freebsd.org
freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org
freebsd-standa...@freebsd.org
freebsd-thre...@freebsd.org
freebsd-...@freebsd.org
freebsd...@freebsd.org
freebsd...@freebsd.org
freebsd-apa...@freebsd.org
freebsd-...@freebsd.org
freebsd-...@freebsd.org
freebsd-driv...@freebsd.org
freebsd-virtualizat...@freebsd.org
freebsd-sysinst...@freebsd.org
freebsd-toolch...@freebsd.org
freebsd-off...@freebsd.org
freebsd-desk...@freebsd.org


Thank you very much .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?

2012-06-02 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Jason Hellenthal wrote:
> Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the
> bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because.

Agreed !  Many replies were sent to Wrong lists.

Original poster & respondents abused stable@ & questions@
Cross posting 2 lists un-necessarily, despite:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL
"C.1.3 List Charters
Rules of the road:
No posting should be made to more than 2
mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear
and obvious need ..."

There was a desire, as always, but no need.  (so I
removed cc: stable@ on this post, to avoid this
post also breaking that rule, (on the basis that
stable@ readership are more likely to already know
about Not cross posting, & using the Right list,
as questions@ started as a target list to point
clueless new users to, from /etc/motd.  (It was
expected as users grew experienced, they'd subscribe
other lists themed to their interests.)))

Noise was emitted to lists with wrong remits.
advoc...@freebsd.org exists for promo. talk inc. re. wiki.

Please read list remits, & conform to them, & subscribe appropriate lists.
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
"Furthering the Use of FreeBSD
Share ideas and plan to increase the number of
companies and individuals using FreeBSD"

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable
"This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-stable.
the stable cvsup target is built from the latest
official RELEASE with the addition of critical bug fixes."

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
"This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD.
You should not send "how to" questions to the
technical lists unless you consider the question
to be pretty technical."

Cheers,
Julian
-- 
Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com
 Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ".
 Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.
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Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?

2012-06-02 Thread Bas Smeelen

On 06/02/2012 06:59 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote:

Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the
bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because.

The previous threads before this message should have been on a web form
or questions@ as they are completely out of control.



why not to use FreeBSD should go on questions



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