removing x11/linux-XFree86-libs ?
Hi all, I noticed that x11/linux-XFree86-libs has been replaced by x11/linux-xorg-libs. I can deinstall and reinstall the linux-xorg-libs but how do I remove the installed port linux-XFree86-libs ? Portmaster aborts updating my ports with the following error and I can't go into the original linux-XFree86-libs portsdirectory cause it doesn't exist any more... So, how do I remove this XFree86 thing (which was normally installed also from ports) ? ... === Checking installed port: libwpd-0.8.7 === Checking installed port: libxine-1.1.3 === Checking installed port: libxml2-2.6.26 === Checking installed port: libxslt-1.1.17 === Checking installed port: linc-1.0.3_6 === Checking installed port: linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_7 === The x11/linux-XFree86-libs port has been deleted: Has expired: superseeded by linux-xorg-libs port === Aborting update www# www# whereis linux-XFree86-libs linux-XFree86-libs: www# Thanks, Beni. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: removing x11/linux-XFree86-libs ?
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:15:02 +0100 Beni wrote: I noticed that x11/linux-XFree86-libs has been replaced by x11/linux-xorg-libs. I can deinstall and reinstall the linux-xorg-libs but how do I remove the installed port linux-XFree86-libs ? Portmaster aborts updating my ports with the following error and I can't go into the original linux-XFree86-libs portsdirectory cause it doesn't exist any more... So, how do I remove this XFree86 thing (which was normally installed also from ports) ? ... === Checking installed port: libwpd-0.8.7 === Checking installed port: libxine-1.1.3 === Checking installed port: libxml2-2.6.26 === Checking installed port: libxslt-1.1.17 === Checking installed port: linc-1.0.3_6 === Checking installed port: linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_7 # pkg_delete linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_7 === The x11/linux-XFree86-libs port has been deleted: Has expired: superseeded by linux-xorg-libs port === Aborting update www# www# whereis linux-XFree86-libs linux-XFree86-libs: www# WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: removing x11/linux-XFree86-libs ?
On Saturday 16 December 2006 14:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday December 16, 2006 at 07:15:02 (AM) Beni wrote: Hi all, I noticed that x11/linux-XFree86-libs has been replaced by x11/linux-xorg-libs. I can deinstall and reinstall the linux-xorg-libs but how do I remove the installed port linux-XFree86-libs ? Portmaster aborts updating my ports with the following error and I can't go into the original linux-XFree86-libs portsdirectory cause it doesn't exist any more... So, how do I remove this XFree86 thing (which was normally installed also from ports) ? ... === Checking installed port: libwpd-0.8.7 === Checking installed port: libxine-1.1.3 === Checking installed port: libxml2-2.6.26 === Checking installed port: libxslt-1.1.17 === Checking installed port: linc-1.0.3_6 === Checking installed port: linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_7 === The x11/linux-XFree86-libs port has been deleted: Has expired: superseeded by linux-xorg-libs port === Aborting update www# www# whereis linux-XFree86-libs linux-XFree86-libs: www# Thanks, Beni. You could try the following. First make sure you have a completely up to date ports tree. pkgdb -Fv See if that reports and problems and hopefully fixes them. Next run: portmanager -u -l -y That should correct the remaining problems.. Check the log file created: /var/log/portmanager.log to see if there are any errors reported. Plus, when portmanager terminates, it will show what, if any, programs it could not handle. Thanks Gerard for the help. A portmanager -u -l -y updated something completely else (php5) but didn't show any other errors in the log : portmanager 0.4.1_7 INFO: all ports are up to date All should be fixed now. Got a hint from Boris Samodorov too : # pkg_delete linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_7 Didn't know that pkg_delete worked for ports, thought it was just for packages. Had to deinstall linux-sun-jdk14 first, but the reinstall used already the new linux-xorg-libs. So all is back on track now. Thanks for the help ! Beni. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 and Xfree86
M.D. DeWar: What is the purpose of them exactly. I have read the sites but being alien to the unix world it confuses me. Do they just make unix a windows type enviroment ? Is KDE/GNOME the same or they like themes to X windows. The simple answer is: X plus KDE or GNOME provides Unix with a Windows-type environment. KDE/GNOME are an integral part of that environment. KDE and GNOME themselves _have_ themes, and those are like themes in the Windows world. You want either KDE or GNOME, with all the default stuff that comes with it. In fact, install them both, and play with each for a while. In fact, there's a similar separation in Windows--some of the user environment is provided by Windows itself, and some by separate programs (especially the Windows Explorer program), but this separation is much cleaner under Unix/X. Furthermore, GNOME or KDE themselves separate into a number of separate layers (this is also true to some extent in Windows, but even to the application developer most of this is hidden). This difference has some advantages, and one big disadvantage. The biggest advantage is flexibility. You can run KDE or GNOME, or a few other alternatives, or a more bare-bones X setup with no desktop manager. You can run KDE apps under GNOME, and vice-versa (and so on for the other alternatives). In fact, you can replace almost any piece of the puzzle and everything will work smoothly. The biggest disadvantage is that novices have all these different pieces thrown at them. Instead of just Windows, they have to contend with, say, Unix, X, Metacity, Gtk+, GNOME, Nautilus, Panel, GDM, GConf, and ESD (and that's if you only run GNOME). So, let's look at these pieces briefly: * Unix is the operating system. (Linux people like to further divide this into the kernel and the rest of the OS.) The Windows equivalent is the NT kernel, its Win32 executive, the cmd command-line shell, a slew of command-line tools, a bunch of background services, etc. * X (aka X/Windows, X11, etc.) is the GUI. It's equivalent to part, but not all, of the Windows GUI. You can see what X does by just running X on its own, as Erik Steffl suggested. X also comes with a variety of tools, like xterm, and libraries for building X applications. * Metacity (kwm for KDE) is the default window manager. X plus a window manager is the equivalent to the Windows GUI itself. This is the part of the system that lets you drag windows around, assign hotkeys like Alt+Tab or Winkey+F, etc. You have a wide choice of other window managers, many (but not all) of which are completely compatible with GNOME or KDE. * Gtk+ (Qt for KDE) is a widget toolkit. It's equivalent to (the GUI parts of) the Win32 API. As a user, you never worry about this--you run programs that were built with Gtk+, just as Windows users run programs that were built with the Win32 SDK, and they just run. But unlike Windows, Unix/X has a dozen or so toolkits. You can run apps built against different toolkits together (although they they may not have exactly the same look and feel--a GNOME/Gtk theme only affects Gtk+ apps, etc.). You may have noticed something similar in Windows XP--most applications have XP-style buttons and borders, but some (including the cmd command-line window) have the old-fashioned Win95 style instead. (Maybe it's better to say that Windows XP has 1-1/2 toolkits?) * Nautilus (or Konqueror, for KDE) is the default file manager. It's almost equivalent to Explorer in Windows. Just like Explorer, Nautilus or Konqueror manage the desktop background window and all of its icons, and provide the My Computer and Network Neighborhood browsing, and can even be used as web browsers if you want. * Panel (or Kicker, for KDE) is the program that handles the taskbar and menubar and start menu. It's the rest of Windows' Explorer. * GDM (or KDM, for KDE) is the login manager. This is equivalent to the Login application in Windows. If you set up your system to boot into graphical mode, this is the program that asks you for a username and password (and maybe which desktop environment you want to run, etc.). Or, if you've set things up for autologin, it runs without you ever having to see it (just like in Windows). * GConf (no KDE equivalent) is a preferences warehouse, like the Windows registry. If you've never run regedit, you can probably ignore this. * ESD (or ARtS, for KDE) is a sound server. This lets you handle sound over the network, just as X lets you handle graphics over the network. It also lets old apps that try to monopolize the soundcard work together properly. You may have noticed on Windows that some programs take over the soundcard and nothing else can make any noise, but that this is less true with modern software. The same situation holds in Unix. Plus, like Windows XP, FreeBSD has some tricks to make old software cooperate (sysctl hw.snd.pcm0.vchans). And often, it's not a big deal anyway. So often a sound server is not necessary for local use (and
X11 and Xfree86
What is the difference between x11r6 and xfree86 ? I went to xfree site and ended up at x.org and the d/l are not the same. thanks newbie mark ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 and Xfree86
X11r6 is the version of xfree86. Payne M.D. DeWar wrote: What is the difference between x11r6 and xfree86 ? I went to xfree site and ended up at x.org and the d/l are not the same. thanks newbie mark ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 and Xfree86
Thanks. Now for a more stupider question. What is the purpose of them exactly. I have read the sites but being alien to the unix world it confuses me. Do they just make unix a windows type enviroment ? Is KDE/GNOME the same or they like themes to X windows. ? So confused. but am trying to get away from microsoft. thanks mark - Original Message - From: Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M.D. DeWar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:11 PM Subject: Re: X11 and Xfree86 X11r6 is the version of xfree86. Payne M.D. DeWar wrote: What is the difference between x11r6 and xfree86 ? I went to xfree site and ended up at x.org and the d/l are not the same. thanks newbie mark ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 and Xfree86
M.D. DeWar wrote: What is the difference between x11r6 and xfree86 ? I went to xfree site and ended up at x.org and the d/l are not the same. X11R6 is specification xfree86 is implementation of the specs x.org provideS another implementation, that's what you can download from x.org (I don't know whether these two implementations are (completely) independent) erik ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 and Xfree86
M.D. DeWar wrote: Thanks. Now for a more stupider question. What is the purpose of them exactly. I have read the sites but being alien to the unix world it confuses me. Do they just make unix a windows type enviroment ? Is KDE/GNOME the same or they like themes to X windows. ? So confused. but am trying to get away from microsoft. thanks mark Ok, _trying_ to leave some things out of this, like the fact that X-Windows was available long _before_ Windoze... ;-) Sort of. X/XFree is basically a minimal graphical user interface with built in networking support. It provides the bare essentials and infrastructure to build a 'window manager' on top of. Window Managers like CDE, TWM, WindowMaker, IceWM, and others all 'sit on top of' X, adding their own widget libraries(think icons, dialog boxes, 'styles') and defining behaviors (focus follows mouse, click to focus, hot key/meta key support/keybindings). In an X environment, because of having builtin networking from the start, it's fairly common to be running an application on one system, and displaying it on another. The X Server is required on any system that you want to actually display applications on your screen. These applications can be running on the same system (which is what all non networked systems do), or from another system. One of the nice features of X is the underlying architecture is standard across ALL flavors of *nix- it's not perfect, but on a *bsd or Linux system, you can have Solaris's admintool or smc running from a Sun box alongside OpenOffice running locally. Theres a lot more to X, and arguably a lot of features that X 'may not need' any longer, and others that have become security risks as hacking and script kiddies have become more frequent. A search for 'X Windows FAQ' should turn up something. Back to your question- KDE and GNOME both sit on top of X, like any/all X Window Managers. KDE and GNOME both go a step 'further' and also provide session and desktop management. A 'pure' Window Manager is generally only conccerned with the basics- handling window actions and providing for basic window operations- title bars, window decorations (buttons and menus), and the like. KDE and GNOME actually include Window Managers of their own (KDE and Sawfish respectively), but add on additional functionality as well, including some fairly detailed specifications of what an application should/''must' do to be fully KDE or GNOME compliant. Hope that helps somewhat... Scott - Original Message - From: Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M.D. DeWar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:11 PM Subject: Re: X11 and Xfree86 X11r6 is the version of xfree86. Payne M.D. DeWar wrote: What is the difference between x11r6 and xfree86 ? I went to xfree site and ended up at x.org and the d/l are not the same. thanks newbie mark ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 and Xfree86
M.D. DeWar wrote: Thanks. Now for a more stupider question. What is the purpose of them exactly. I have read the sites but being alien to the unix world it confuses me. Do they just make unix a windows type enviroment ? X Windows System is a windowing system, but not complete GUI solution, it provides grpahic services (transparently over the network). Using X a program can display windows, lines, bitmaps ansd other graphical primitives. But there is no way to manipulate windows, no decorations (widnows do not have borders, title etc.), no buttons, combo boxes, menus etc. (called widgets in X world). generally on top of X you have: widget libraries: there is number of them, these are various buttons, menus, combo boxes etc. the common ones are motif (or free implementation lesstif), athena, qt (used by kde), gnome has its own widgets etc... there is a large number of widgets libraries and this is a source of constant criticism (they all look and behave differently and make user experience inconsistent, which might or might not be a problem:-) window manager: makes it possible to manage windows, it is responsible for windows decorations (borders, titlebar, titlebar buttons), it provides ways to move and otherwise manipulate windows, usually has some kind of menu/program launcher etc. Is KDE/GNOME the same or they like themes to X windows. ? kde and gnome are one layer up, they try to provide complete desktop - in addition to what window manager provide they provide - means for apps to communicate, common look (themes), drag and drop, task bar, main menu (kinda like start menu in win), common way to configure desktop etc. They are kinda like window manager on steroids (there are other ones as well, CDE, nextstep/gnustep etc.) So confused. but am trying to get away from microsoft. good luck, fun experiment (to see what X really is:-) - try to run X from text console (just like that, not xdm, not startx) - you should get pretty much empty screen with mouse cursor - that's plain X. Now you can go back to text console (hit ctrl-z, run bg to run X in background, alternatively just go to another free text console) and run xterm -display :1 (or :0, depends on whether you already run X) and go back to your X (alt-ctrl-Fn where Fn is one of the function keys on top of keyboard). You should see xterminal, but plain window - no borders etc. you can write in this terminal but you cannot move it... next step is to run window manager (e.g. twm, it's usually installed by default, or any window manager you like) - you can run it from xterm that you just opened. erik ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
