Re: digression: There is no "ye"

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2006-11-04 20:53, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There is no word "ye", and there never was.
>
> Word origins is a hobby of mine, and I found it pretty difficult to
> figure out where "ye" came from, because it never existed.
>
> What _did_ exist, was a letter in old English called a "thorne".  The
> thorne looked a lot like a capital "Y" (with a horizontal line through
> it) and had the sound of "th".  When the thorne fell into disuse,
> later readers would think sentences said "we went to Ye bar to drink
> wiY friends".
>
> Since "the" is liable to be the most common word in the English
> language, this fell into a more general belief that in olden times,
> the word "ye" was used instead of "the".
>
> Anyway, it's a bit of non-BSD trivia.  Sorry for the noise to those
> who aren't interested, and sorry that I don't know enough about groff
> to help fix your problem.

Quite interesting trivia, nevertheless.  Thanks for taking the time to
write all this down :)

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Re: digression: There is no "ye" (was Re: what happened to groff?!!)

[Reed Loefgren]

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006, Gary Kline wrote:


On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 08:53:21PM +, Bill Moran wrote:

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:56:07 -0800
Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Guys,

This roff script is in a directory with ye-olden-English font,


There is no word "ye", and there never was.

Word origins is a hobby of mine, and I found it pretty difficult to figure
out where "ye" came from, because it never existed.

What _did_ exist, was a letter in old English called a "thorne".  The thorne
looked a lot like a capital "Y" (with a horizontal line through it) and had
the sound of "th".  When the thorne fell into disuse, later readers would
think sentences said "we went to Ye bar to drink wiY friends".

Since "the" is liable to be the most common word in the English language, this
fell into a more general belief that in olden times, the word "ye" was used
instead of "the".

Anyway, it's a bit of non-BSD trivia.  Sorry for the noise to those who aren't
interested, and sorry that I don't know enough about groff to help fix your
problem.



Well, maybe the gurus will be back on Monday.  I'm no scholar of
the English language, but yeah, you're right on the money re the
thorn character.  [ Ever watch Bergan Evans' broadcasts circa
late-1950's?  ]

gary


-Bill
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"Word origins is a hobby of mine, and I found it pretty difficult to 
figure out where "ye" came from, because it never existed."


Errol Flynn?


r
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Re: digression: There is no "ye" (was Re: what happened to groff?!!)

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Nov 4, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Gary Kline wrote:


On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 08:53:21PM +, Bill Moran wrote:

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:56:07 -0800
Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Guys,

This roff script is in a directory with ye-olden-English font,


There is no word "ye", and there never was.

Word origins is a hobby of mine, and I found it pretty difficult  
to figure

out where "ye" came from, because it never existed.

What _did_ exist, was a letter in old English called a "thorne".   
The thorne
looked a lot like a capital "Y" (with a horizontal line through  
it) and had
the sound of "th".  When the thorne fell into disuse, later  
readers would

think sentences said "we went to Ye bar to drink wiY friends".

Since "the" is liable to be the most common word in the English  
language, this
fell into a more general belief that in olden times, the word "ye"  
was used

instead of "the".

Anyway, it's a bit of non-BSD trivia.  Sorry for the noise to  
those who aren't
interested, and sorry that I don't know enough about groff to help  
fix your

problem.



Well, maybe the gurus will be back on Monday.  I'm no scholar of
the English language, but yeah, you're right on the money re the
thorn character.  [ Ever watch Bergan Evans' broadcasts circa
late-1950's?  ]

gary





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Re: digression: There is no "ye" (was Re: what happened to groff?!!)

[Gary Kline]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 08:53:21PM +, Bill Moran wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:56:07 -0800
> Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Guys, 
> > 
> > This roff script is in a directory with ye-olden-English font,
> 
> There is no word "ye", and there never was.
> 
> Word origins is a hobby of mine, and I found it pretty difficult to figure
> out where "ye" came from, because it never existed.
> 
> What _did_ exist, was a letter in old English called a "thorne".  The thorne
> looked a lot like a capital "Y" (with a horizontal line through it) and had
> the sound of "th".  When the thorne fell into disuse, later readers would
> think sentences said "we went to Ye bar to drink wiY friends".
> 
> Since "the" is liable to be the most common word in the English language, this
> fell into a more general belief that in olden times, the word "ye" was used
> instead of "the".
> 
> Anyway, it's a bit of non-BSD trivia.  Sorry for the noise to those who aren't
> interested, and sorry that I don't know enough about groff to help fix your
> problem.
> 

Well, maybe the gurus will be back on Monday.  I'm no scholar of
the English language, but yeah, you're right on the money re the
thorn character.  [ Ever watch Bergan Evans' broadcasts circa 
late-1950's?  ]

gary

> -Bill
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digression: There is no "ye" (was Re: what happened to groff?!!)

[Bill Moran]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:56:07 -0800
Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Guys, 
> 
>   This roff script is in a directory with ye-olden-English font,

There is no word "ye", and there never was.

Word origins is a hobby of mine, and I found it pretty difficult to figure
out where "ye" came from, because it never existed.

What _did_ exist, was a letter in old English called a "thorne".  The thorne
looked a lot like a capital "Y" (with a horizontal line through it) and had
the sound of "th".  When the thorne fell into disuse, later readers would
think sentences said "we went to Ye bar to drink wiY friends".

Since "the" is liable to be the most common word in the English language, this
fell into a more general belief that in olden times, the word "ye" was used
instead of "the".

Anyway, it's a bit of non-BSD trivia.  Sorry for the noise to those who aren't
interested, and sorry that I don't know enough about groff to help fix your
problem.

-Bill
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