Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-10 Thread Anthony Atkielski
sn1tch writes:

> I am looking into setting up a DNS server on our network using an
> existing FreeBSD box. I have been looking around and reading comments
> on different DNS servers out their but everyone has mixed feelings. I
> know someone who uses BIND and is happy with it .. is their any reason
> why BIND wouldn't be a good choice? All i need is to have DNS running
> on a webserver so we can host our site internally...any feedback on
> this setup and/or DNS server is appreciated

BIND works great for me on my little LAN.

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Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-10 Thread markzero
> > Dan has given explicit permission to read, compile, modify and use
> > the source code of djbdns.
> 
> From http://www.qmail.org/not-open-source.html:
> 
> "For a program to be "open source", you must be able to, among other
>  things, change the source and redistribute it. DJB prohibits
>  distribution of modified code and so programs which are so-licensed are
>  not open source."
> 
> In other words, people who aren't the Free Software Foundation or OSI also 
> agree that Dan's license isn't an Open Source license.  As I said, though, 
> whether that's good, bad, or irrelevant is up to the administrator.  It's 
> just something that many people aren't aware of but would be interested in.

Good point.

I suppose it's also a matter of the definition of 'Open Source'. For me,
open source equates to 'I can read the code to see if it's trustworthy
and can compile it so I know that I got what I read' but you're right,
it doesn't pass the 'official' definition.

Mark

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Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-10 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 22:22, you wrote:

> Dan has given explicit permission to read, compile, modify and use
> the source code of djbdns.

From http://www.qmail.org/not-open-source.html:

"For a program to be "open source", you must be able to, among other
 things, change the source and redistribute it. DJB prohibits
 distribution of modified code and so programs which are so-licensed are
 not open source."

In other words, people who aren't the Free Software Foundation or OSI also 
agree that Dan's license isn't an Open Source license.  As I said, though, 
whether that's good, bad, or irrelevant is up to the administrator.  It's 
just something that many people aren't aware of but would be interested in.
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Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-10 Thread markzero
> Oh, and c) djbdns isn't Free or Open Source by any definition of 
> either phrase.  That's not important to some people, but others consider it 
> kind of important.

Dan has given explicit permission to read, compile, modify and use
the source code of djbdns. The only restriction is that you may not
distribute any modified code (enterprising people could modify and
distribute the source with deliberately placed bugs in order to try
to claim the djb 'Security Guarantee' - at least that's the theory).

http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html

Mark

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Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-10 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 02:00:50PM -0800, John Pettitt wrote:
> 
> 
> Paul Schmehl wrote:
> 
> > --On Wednesday, March 09, 2005 04:42:46 PM -0500 Ean Kingston
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> I belive Bind is still included with the base FreeBSD OS. I've used
> >> it in
> >> the past and never had any problems with it. As always, YMMV.

> "Has had" being the operative phrase - that would be bind 4 and bind 8 -
> bind 9 which is a rewrite has a pretty solid record - also in the ports
> tree.

BIND 9 is not only in the ports tree, it's the default bundled with
FreeBSD 5.x:


% dig @localhost version.bind CHAOS TXT

[...]

;; ANSWER SECTION:
version.bind.   0   CH  TXT "9.3.0"

But, more to the point, running the stock BIND in a chroot jail is
completely automatic nowadays.  All you need do is put
'named_enable="YES"' into /etc/rc.conf.

Performs well enough to serve typical home uses no problem.  Bind
9.3.1 is on the horizon, and I hear that the plan is to build that
threaded by default, which will improve responsiveness for more
demanding environments.

  Cheers,

  Matthew

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Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-09 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 04:00 pm, John Pettitt wrote:

> The argument against DJBDNS comes down to a) DJB annoys a lot of people
> and b) some of those people thinkg DJBDNS is not standards compliant.

Erm, "b" is definitely true.  It doesn't support IXFR or NOTIFY, so if you 
plan on slaving another zone (or having another server slave one of your 
zones), then you're expected to install rsync and get your peer to do the 
same.  Oh, and c) djbdns isn't Free or Open Source by any definition of 
either phrase.  That's not important to some people, but others consider it 
kind of important.
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Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-09 Thread John Pettitt


Paul Schmehl wrote:

> --On Wednesday, March 09, 2005 04:42:46 PM -0500 Ean Kingston
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>> I am looking into setting up a DNS server on our network using an
>>> existing FreeBSD box. I have been looking around and reading comments
>>> on different DNS servers out their but everyone has mixed feelings. I
>>> know someone who uses BIND and is happy with it .. is their any reason
>>> why BIND wouldn't be a good choice? All i need is to have DNS running
>>> on a webserver so we can host our site internally...any feedback on
>>> this setup and/or DNS server is appreciated
>>
>>
>> I belive Bind is still included with the base FreeBSD OS. I've used
>> it in
>> the past and never had any problems with it. As always, YMMV.
>
>
> If you're concerned about security, BIND has had a large number of
> security problems.  DJBDNS is in /usr/ports/dns/ and it's very easy to
> setup and very easy to use.  More responsive than BIND as well, and
> you don't have to figure out the esoteric syntax that BIND requires.
>
"Has had" being the operative phrase - that would be bind 4 and bind 8 -
bind 9 which is a rewrite has a pretty solid record - also in the ports
tree.

The argument against DJBDNS comes down to a) DJB annoys a lot of people
and b) some of those people thinkg DJBDNS is not standards compliant.   
This argument is about as accurate as the "bind not secure" argument -
they both may have a grain of truth in the past.

The DNS discussion is a lot like the Linux vs BSD discussion - it's a
religious issue (strongly held views not always supported by facts)

John
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Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-09 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Wednesday, March 09, 2005 04:42:46 PM -0500 Ean Kingston 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am looking into setting up a DNS server on our network using an
existing FreeBSD box. I have been looking around and reading comments
on different DNS servers out their but everyone has mixed feelings. I
know someone who uses BIND and is happy with it .. is their any reason
why BIND wouldn't be a good choice? All i need is to have DNS running
on a webserver so we can host our site internally...any feedback on
this setup and/or DNS server is appreciated
I belive Bind is still included with the base FreeBSD OS. I've used it in
the past and never had any problems with it. As always, YMMV.
If you're concerned about security, BIND has had a large number of security 
problems.  DJBDNS is in /usr/ports/dns/ and it's very easy to setup and 
very easy to use.  More responsive than BIND as well, and you don't have to 
figure out the esoteric syntax that BIND requires.

Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Adjunct Information Security Officer
The University of Texas at Dallas
AVIEN Founding Member
http://www.utdallas.edu
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Re: feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-09 Thread Ean Kingston

> I am looking into setting up a DNS server on our network using an
> existing FreeBSD box. I have been looking around and reading comments
> on different DNS servers out their but everyone has mixed feelings. I
> know someone who uses BIND and is happy with it .. is their any reason
> why BIND wouldn't be a good choice? All i need is to have DNS running
> on a webserver so we can host our site internally...any feedback on
> this setup and/or DNS server is appreciated

I belive Bind is still included with the base FreeBSD OS. I've used it in
the past and never had any problems with it. As always, YMMV.

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feedback on a good DNS server

2005-03-09 Thread sn1tch
I am looking into setting up a DNS server on our network using an
existing FreeBSD box. I have been looking around and reading comments
on different DNS servers out their but everyone has mixed feelings. I
know someone who uses BIND and is happy with it .. is their any reason
why BIND wouldn't be a good choice? All i need is to have DNS running
on a webserver so we can host our site internally...any feedback on
this setup and/or DNS server is appreciated

Thanks in advance
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