Re: filesystem compatibility between FreeBSD and OpenBSD
something I wonder about I know OpenBSD and FreeBSD both have different versions of the UFS filesystems (FreeBSD newfs(8) -O option, OpenBSD newfs(8) -O) has someone tried to use all combinations of all options to see if they work? It's funny that OpenBSD's manpage says it uses FFS, not UFS -- when even I thought it said UFS before I looked it up. Just my 2c --TJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: filesystem compatibility between FreeBSD and OpenBSD
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:11:28 -0600, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny that OpenBSD's manpage says it uses FFS, not UFS -- when even I thought it said UFS before I looked it up. Don't FFS and UFS refer to the same file system, the Berkeley Fast File System, also known as 4.2bsd? In my studies according to a data recovery problem I found them used in similar ways. % ll /sbin/fsck_[uf4]* -r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 87020 Aug 24 2008 /sbin/fsck_4.2bsd* -r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 87020 Aug 24 2008 /sbin/fsck_ffs* -r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 87020 Aug 24 2008 /sbin/fsck_ufs* At least on FreeBSD, they're all the same program. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
filesystem compatibility between FreeBSD and OpenBSD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just put a OpenBSD partition on a EIDE disk I had laying around. I'd had some advice (apparently bad) that the OpenBSD UFS filesystem could provide a filesystem that I could access from FreeBSD ... least, just now when I tried to mount either of the two filesystems I just created on FreeBSD, FreeBSD seems to recognize the disklabel just fine (it sees, in /dev, both ad1s1d and ad1s1e), but FreeBSD can't seem to mount either one. Is there ANY filesystem that would be a good bet, so that I could transfer stuff to from FreeBSD to OpenBSD? Besides (obviously) UFS? Thanks -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkn4ni8ACgkQz62J6PPcoOm1mACePe5wltWsl0iLuIAzdYJ1M6RS /PIAnjEMFi1MdMYDkPkadva+gjbqRMLN =Wd2g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: filesystem compatibility between FreeBSD and OpenBSD
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:36:31 -0400, Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote: Is there ANY filesystem that would be a good bet, so that I could transfer stuff to from FreeBSD to OpenBSD? Besides (obviously) UFS? Yes, there is, and it even isn't a file system. It's tar. You can easily create a tar archive and transfer it from device to device, maybe using a transfer hard disk. I know this sounds stupid, but it works. The disk just needs to be formatted, it can be a hard disk, an optical disc, even an USB thumb drive, or a floppy disk. Doesn't matter. Just format it. Then: % tar cvf /dev/device yourstuff on the source OS. On the target OS, simply run this command: % tar xvf /dev/device I could employ this method successfully to transfer data between different UNIXens and Linusi. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: filesystem compatibility between FreeBSD and OpenBSD
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:36:31 -0400 Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just put a OpenBSD partition on a EIDE disk I had laying around. I'd had some advice (apparently bad) that the OpenBSD UFS filesystem could provide a filesystem that I could access from FreeBSD ... least, just now when I tried to mount either of the two filesystems I just created on FreeBSD, FreeBSD seems to recognize the disklabel just fine (it sees, in /dev, both ad1s1d and ad1s1e), but FreeBSD can't seem to mount either one. Is there ANY filesystem that would be a good bet, so that I could transfer stuff to from FreeBSD to OpenBSD? Besides (obviously) UFS? Thanks Hi Chuck, please tell us what exactly the output of mount is, mount (8) on FreeBSD 7.1 tells me that UFS is the default filesystem to mount. best regards Daniel Dowse -- The only reality is virtual! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: filesystem compatibility between FreeBSD and OpenBSD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel C. Dowse wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:36:31 -0400 Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just put a OpenBSD partition on a EIDE disk I had laying around. I'd had some advice (apparently bad) that the OpenBSD UFS filesystem could provide a filesystem that I could access from FreeBSD ... least, just now when I tried to mount either of the two filesystems I just created on FreeBSD, FreeBSD seems to recognize the disklabel just fine (it sees, in /dev, both ad1s1d and ad1s1e), but FreeBSD can't seem to mount either one. Is there ANY filesystem that would be a good bet, so that I could transfer stuff to from FreeBSD to OpenBSD? Besides (obviously) UFS? Thanks Hi Chuck, please tell us what exactly the output of mount is, mount (8) on FreeBSD 7.1 tells me that UFS is the default filesystem to mount. It just fails with an Invalid argument, so I think it's not able to recognize the OpenBSD FS. I can't do it the other way around, because I can't (yet) find the OpenBSD driver for my AMCC (3ware) 9650-4 controller (FreeBSD's twa driver). Otherwise, I'm curious if maybe OpenBSD count moount the FreeBSD FS. No longer truly important, because i'm using an extra machine as a waypoint for a transfer. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkn5FhEACgkQz62J6PPcoOlikgCfUmLdhYXrsu7/1EE6aZL1mH91 DdkAn0JEGxkyRyBQdOGO9kgEft0mzm8T =kibv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
filesystem compatibility
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are there any filesystems which FreeBSD has which offer compatibility to OpenBSD? I want to add a OpenBSD partition to my long-existing FreeBSD disk, make it OpenBSD, but I want to be able to transfer data between FreeBSD OpenBSD. Any filesystem which could do that? Or, maybe looking at it from the other way, can OpenBSD read any of our FreeBSD filesystems? I want to move data between these two, if at all possible, and they're on the same machine, so nfs isn't a possibility here. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknwnVEACgkQz62J6PPcoOnzVwCdFgIo3jAe/wRf13jF9X3knDz8 pGUAniVR7IA9BsOCElNkYtYrFIi3ICrl =Oct9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: filesystem compatibility
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:54:41 -0400, Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are there any filesystems which FreeBSD has which offer compatibility to OpenBSD? I want to add a OpenBSD partition to my long-existing FreeBSD disk, make it OpenBSD, but I want to be able to transfer data between FreeBSD OpenBSD. Any filesystem which could do that? From my experiences, the tar filesystem is the best one to do this. You can transfer the tar archives (and add compression if needed) between different operating systems using FTP or any Internet means as well as via optical media, even the use of floppy disks (if you still know them) is possible. On one end: % tar cvf bla.tar your stuff here On the other end: % tar xvf bla.tar Or, maybe looking at it from the other way, can OpenBSD read any of our FreeBSD filesystems? I want to move data between these two, if at all possible, and they're on the same machine, so nfs isn't a possibility here. FreeBSD and OpenBSD use FFS / UFS file systems. Have you already tried mounting FreeBSD partitions with OpenBSD or vice versa? Of course, it's possible to transfer data via FTP, rsync or scp between machines. But because you asked about file systems, just try the mount advice. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: filesystem compatibility
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are there any filesystems which FreeBSD has which offer compatibility to OpenBSD? I want to add a OpenBSD partition to my long-existing FreeBSD disk, make it OpenBSD, but I want to be able to transfer data between FreeBSD OpenBSD. Any filesystem which could do that? Or, maybe looking at it from the other way, can OpenBSD read any of our FreeBSD filesystems? I want to move data between these two, if at all possible, and they're on the same machine, so nfs isn't a possibility here. MS-DOS FAT32 Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as you can get. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: filesystem compatibility
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:37:29 -0600, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote: MS-DOS FAT32 Ugh. :-) Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as you can get. Among BSDs, UFS / FFS should work. To get rid of the many limitations in the MS-DOS file system, tar is really the best solution. (I know this from interoperability works with many different UNIXes, such as BSDs, Solaris, IRIX and Mac OS X - even Linux can handle it without problems.) And it is not limited to a subset of media. I can only say: Avoid MICROS~1 stuff if possible. Not using it makes you happy afterwards. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: filesystem compatibility
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:37:29 -0600, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote: MS-DOS FAT32 Ugh. :-) Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as you can get. Among BSDs, UFS / FFS should work. To get rid of the many limitations in the MS-DOS file system, tar is really the best solution. (I know this from interoperability works with many different UNIXes, such as BSDs, Solaris, IRIX and Mac OS X - even Linux can handle it without problems.) And it is not limited to a subset of media. I can only say: Avoid MICROS~1 stuff if possible. Not using it makes you happy afterwards. :-) Speaking of... Recently I'm seeing a new filesystem, exFAT (apparently to work with excessively large filesystems). Is exFAT compatible with the msdosfs filesystem in BSD? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
