Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Tue 01 May 2007 21:05, ajm wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 06:15:57PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 01:26:48AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:47:51 -0700 > > > Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can > > > > give me someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > > > > composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that > > > > would generate short background slices of music? > > > > > > > > Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This > > > > application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last > > > > night I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that > > > > Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > > > > > > > Anybod know? > > > > > > Take a look at Pure Data (audio/pd in the ports). I just found out > > > about it. It doesn't really create jazz melodies but it such a great > > > synthesizer. It allows you to arrange objects graphically, like > > > oscillators and analog/digital converters and combine them to create > > > sounds. It's a real graphical programming language. > > > > > > > Ah,great... I'll give this puppy a try. I'm not opposed to > > learning yet-another-programming-language. Just that I'm > > thinking that at least *some*knowledhe of music theory is > > necessary. Maybe not! > > > > gary > > > > > Regards, > > > Jona > > > > > try the following...in the FreeBSD ports > audio/abcmidi > audio/timidity++ You may want to try audio/csound, I just came across it. The csound home page is http://www.csounds.com Note that the version in the ports tree is a bit outdated, but I'm updating it now... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 06:15:57PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 01:26:48AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:47:51 -0700 > > Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can > > > give me someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > > > composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that > > > would generate short background slices of music? > > > > > > Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This > > > application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last > > > night I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that > > > Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > > > > > Anybod know? > > > > Take a look at Pure Data (audio/pd in the ports). I just found out > > about it. It doesn't really create jazz melodies but it such a great > > synthesizer. It allows you to arrange objects graphically, like > > oscillators and analog/digital converters and combine them to create > > sounds. It's a real graphical programming language. > > > > Ah,great... I'll give this puppy a try. I'm not opposed to > learning yet-another-programming-language. Just that I'm > thinking that at least *some*knowledhe of music theory is > necessary. Maybe not! > > gary > > > Regards, > > Jona > > > > -- > > "Und das Sch?nste daran ist, dass die Mehrzahl der Amerikaner durch die > > von Illuminaten gedeckten Terroranschl?ge so weit in Angst versetzt > > sein werden, dass sie darum betteln werden, kontrolliert zu werden, wie > > der Masochist nach der Peitsche wimmert." Hagbard Celine > > > try the following...in the FreeBSD ports audio/abcmidi audio/timidity++ -- Alexander FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 01:26:48AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:47:51 -0700 > Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Guys, > > > > This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can > > give me someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > > composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that > > would generate short background slices of music? > > > > Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This > > application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last > > night I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that > > Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > > > Anybod know? > > Take a look at Pure Data (audio/pd in the ports). I just found out > about it. It doesn't really create jazz melodies but it such a great > synthesizer. It allows you to arrange objects graphically, like > oscillators and analog/digital converters and combine them to create > sounds. It's a real graphical programming language. > Ah,great... I'll give this puppy a try. I'm not opposed to learning yet-another-programming-language. Just that I'm thinking that at least *some*knowledhe of music theory is necessary. Maybe not! gary > Regards, > Jona > > -- > "Und das Schönste daran ist, dass die Mehrzahl der Amerikaner durch die > von Illuminaten gedeckten Terroranschläge so weit in Angst versetzt > sein werden, dass sie darum betteln werden, kontrolliert zu werden, wie > der Masochist nach der Peitsche wimmert." Hagbard Celine > -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 02:25:49PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > > Guys, > > > > This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can give me > > someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > > composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that would > > generate short background slices of music? > > > > Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This > > application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last night > > I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that > > Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > > > Anybod know? > > > > gary > > Check out audacity. It does MP3/WAV generation. Ok, it's on my Gnome menu. Any idea what I'd do to gen up some notes?? What I'd like is some buttons marked "Jazz", "Smphony", "Ambient", "Drums", &c. Generate some things-MIDI with rand()/srand(). danke! gary > -Garrett > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 03:44:06PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 01:41:44PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > I changed my search terms on Gogle and found a bunch of likely > > programs. One is written is a special notation and has to do > > with LOGO [??] programming. The test MIDI "songs" are nice, > > and would serve IFF very short :-) ---They get more than a bit > > **annoying** after 20 sec :-|. > > Tell us about what you found, please. I, for one, am interested in > music production on FreeBSD, and something using a Logo-based notation > syntax sounds really interesting. > Google "lmusej". It's a Java version of an ex-DOS program. java -jar [script] runs it. But the language is a kind of music-notation or composition. It is fractal in nature; that grabs me. LOGO and "turtle" (?) were after my graduation; and until now, little interest. The LmUSEj website offers several *.mid ditties; several with fractal graphics. Looks interesting if you want to create, say, a 10-second bit of music with a minor (or major) theme. *HOW*:: dunno! gary > -- > CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] > McCloctnick the Lucid: "The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your > time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do." > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:47:51 -0700 Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Guys, > > This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can > give me someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that > would generate short background slices of music? > > Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This > application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last > night I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that > Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > Anybod know? Take a look at Pure Data (audio/pd in the ports). I just found out about it. It doesn't really create jazz melodies but it such a great synthesizer. It allows you to arrange objects graphically, like oscillators and analog/digital converters and combine them to create sounds. It's a real graphical programming language. Regards, Jona -- "Und das Schönste daran ist, dass die Mehrzahl der Amerikaner durch die von Illuminaten gedeckten Terroranschläge so weit in Angst versetzt sein werden, dass sie darum betteln werden, kontrolliert zu werden, wie der Masochist nach der Peitsche wimmert." Hagbard Celine ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 01:41:44PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > I changed my search terms on Gogle and found a bunch of likely > programs. One is written is a special notation and has to do > with LOGO [??] programming. The test MIDI "songs" are nice, > and would serve IFF very short :-) ---They get more than a bit > **annoying** after 20 sec :-|. Tell us about what you found, please. I, for one, am interested in music production on FreeBSD, and something using a Logo-based notation syntax sounds really interesting. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] McCloctnick the Lucid: "The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
Gary Kline wrote: Guys, This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can give me someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that would generate short background slices of music? Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last night I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. Anybod know? gary Check out audacity. It does MP3/WAV generation. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 12:11:45PM -0700, Eric P. Scott wrote: > See: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_composition > > Look up "algorithmic music" in your favorite search engine. > Will do. thankee, gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 03:34:22PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > [[ ... ]] > > > > I'm not sure of an app for linux that actually lets you create this stuff, > > but as for editing/recording, look into Audacity ( http://audacity.sf.net ). > > It's pretty nice when it comes to that stuff. > > He is asking for something to run on FreeBSD not Lunix. Actually, I have an older release of Ubuntu (a fork of Debian), so either would do. I changed my search terms on Gogle and found a bunch of likely programs. One is written is a special notation and has to do with LOGO [??] programming. The test MIDI "songs" are nice, and would serve IFF very short :-) ---They get more than a bit **annoying** after 20 sec :-|. Another possibility looks like it was written in Xlib (that I taught myself and worked with for a year before moving to Xaw). But it requires the olden Lesstif. I was expert at porting for 15, 15+ years, but need help with this. "locate" doesn't find anything like the following includes of libs. Anybody give me a pointer?? (The ``phase'' binary does something musical. --I took piano lessons when I was a kid, but that does (ABS) no good now. From the manual makefile:: # For Linux with LessTif #INCS = -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/LessTif/Motif1.2/include #LIBS = -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/X11R6/LessTif/Motif1.2/lib all:phase phase: phase.c gcc -O2 $(INCS) phase.c $(LIBS) -lXm -lXt -lX11 -o $@ @echo Compilation successful. Thanks for any clues. If nobody out can help, no problem. Probably a dumb idea anyway. gary > > jerry > -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On 4/30/07, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 02:57:49PM -0400, Schiz0 wrote: > On 4/30/07, Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Guys, > > > >This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can give me > >someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > >composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that would > >generate short background slices of music? > > > >Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This > >application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last night > >I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that > >Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > > >Anybod know? > > > >gary > > > > > >-- > > Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > > >___ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > I'm not sure of an app for linux that actually lets you create this stuff, > but as for editing/recording, look into Audacity ( http://audacity.sf.net ). > It's pretty nice when it comes to that stuff. He is asking for something to run on FreeBSD not Lunix. jerry > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " [EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audacity does run on freeBSD. /usr/ports/audio/audacity. thanks, jeremy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On 4/30/07, Jeremy Gransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/30/07, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 02:57:49PM -0400, Schiz0 wrote: > > > On 4/30/07, Gary Kline < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Guys, > > > > > >This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can > give me > > >someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > > >composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that > would > > >generate short background slices of music? > > > > > >Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several > seconds. This > > >application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last > night > > >I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several > that > > >Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > > > > >Anybod know? > > > > > >gary > > > > > > > > >-- > > > Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service > Unix > > > > > >___ > > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > > > I'm not sure of an app for linux that actually lets you create this > stuff, > > but as for editing/recording, look into Audacity ( > http://audacity.sf.net ). > > It's pretty nice when it comes to that stuff. > > He is asking for something to run on FreeBSD not Lunix. > > jerry > > > ___ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audacity does run on freeBSD. /usr/ports/audio/audacity. thanks, jeremy This looks interesting, although, I have not tried it. http://beast.gtk.org/ It reminds me of Cakewalk for Msoft. thanks, jeremy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On 4/30/07, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 02:57:49PM -0400, Schiz0 wrote: > On 4/30/07, Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Guys, > > > >This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can give me > >someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > >composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that would > >generate short background slices of music? > > > >Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This > >application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last night > >I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that > >Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > > >Anybod know? > > > >gary > > > > > >-- > > Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > > >___ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > I'm not sure of an app for linux that actually lets you create this stuff, > but as for editing/recording, look into Audacity ( http://audacity.sf.net ). > It's pretty nice when it comes to that stuff. He is asking for something to run on FreeBSD not Lunix. jerry > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Oh, yeah. I wasn't thinking. Old habits die hard; I got started on linux. But I know Audacity is in fact in the ports tree, so it's still a valid option. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 02:57:49PM -0400, Schiz0 wrote: > On 4/30/07, Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Guys, > > > >This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can give me > >someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music > >composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that would > >generate short background slices of music? > > > >Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This > >application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last night > >I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that > >Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. > > > >Anybod know? > > > >gary > > > > > >-- > > Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > > >___ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > I'm not sure of an app for linux that actually lets you create this stuff, > but as for editing/recording, look into Audacity ( http://audacity.sf.net ). > It's pretty nice when it comes to that stuff. He is asking for something to run on FreeBSD not Lunix. jerry > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Gary Kline wrote: Guys, This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can give me someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that would generate short background slices of music? There is almost certainly better options that what I will mention, but lilypond, which is primarily for music typesetting (engraving) can produce midi files from your scores. lilypond is in ports. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_composition Look up "algorithmic music" in your favorite search engine. -=EPS=- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: music-generator for FreeBSD?
On 4/30/07, Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Guys, This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can give me someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that would generate short background slices of music? Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last night I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. Anybod know? gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to " [EMAIL PROTECTED]" I'm not sure of an app for linux that actually lets you create this stuff, but as for editing/recording, look into Audacity ( http://audacity.sf.net ). It's pretty nice when it comes to that stuff. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
music-generator for FreeBSD?
Guys, This is a bit off-topic, but maybe somebody out there can give me someclues. Bearing in mind that I know zip about music composition, is there a MIDI (or mp3 or other) toolkit that would generate short background slices of music? Say that I wanted some jazzy melody for several seconds. This application would generate it. Or a classical tune. Last night I found a possibly MIDI app for Windows; there were several that Google found that mentioned Linux but nothing panned out. Anybod know? gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"