portupgrade time, xorg ports
Running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 #0, i386 P3-667MHz, 512MB RAM. This is my first experience using portupgrade. I ran cvsup successfully for ports-all. I ran pkg_version -v. It showed a total of 28 ports, 20 needed updating. Of those, 16 were xorg- ports; the others were xterm, freetype2, imake and png. I ran portupgrade -a -N -vu -rR, and it tried several times to fetch X11R6.8.1-src1.tar.gz, each time taking over an hour, and when the file failed, it failed showing a checksum mismatch. I tried it again today, and it was able to fetch the three remaining files. SLOW. I have a DSL connection, and usually see 1.5MB speeds or more. Two of the files came in at 6kBps, one at 26 kBps. This Portupgrade session, including downloading the files detailed below, took 3 hours and 38 minutes; 1.5 hours was spent just downloading the three files. >From the script file of the session: => X11R6.8.1-src(#).tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/xorg. => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/tars/ files fetched and time for download: filesizeend speedtime X11R6.8.1-src1.tar.gz29MB 6510 Bps 80 min X11R6.8.1-src6.tar.gz 3106kB 6298 Bps 8 min X11R6.8.1-src2.tar.gz 5672kB 26 kBps 4 min I have two questions: -Is this typical to see such slow download speeds and for the portupgrade process to take so much time? -I didn't install xorg. Why are the 16 xorg ports present? Jay O'Brien Rio Linda, California USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
Jay O'Brien wrote: hi, Running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 #0, i386 P3-667MHz, 512MB RAM. - cut for brevity -I didn't install xorg. Why are the 16 xorg ports present? a fresh FreeBSD 5.3 has xorg by default instead of XFree86 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
On Fri, Dec 24, 2004 at 01:54:04PM -0800, Jay O'Brien wrote: > I ran portupgrade -a -N -vu -rR, and it tried several times > to fetch X11R6.8.1-src1.tar.gz, each time taking over an hour, > and when the file failed, it failed showing a checksum mismatch. > I tried it again today, and it was able to fetch the three > remaining files. SLOW. I have a DSL connection, and usually > see 1.5MB speeds or more. Two of the files came in at 6kBps, > one at 26 kBps. This Portupgrade session, including downloading > the files detailed below, took 3 hours and 38 minutes; 1.5 hours > was spent just downloading the three files. > > >From the script file of the session: > => X11R6.8.1-src(#).tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in > /usr/ports/distfiles/xorg. > => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/tars/ > > files fetched and time for download: > filesizeend speedtime > X11R6.8.1-src1.tar.gz29MB 6510 Bps 80 min > X11R6.8.1-src6.tar.gz 3106kB 6298 Bps 8 min > X11R6.8.1-src2.tar.gz 5672kB 26 kBps 4 min > > I have two questions: > > -Is this typical to see such slow download speeds Sometimes; it's not unusual for a popular ftp site to be heavily loaded. There are various variables you can set to control fetching from different sites; see the ports(7) manpage and the comments in bsd.port.mk. > and for the > portupgrade process to take so much time? X is a large set of applications, so it's going to take a little while to compile it all :-) > -I didn't install xorg. Why are the 16 xorg ports present? I don't understand what you're asking here. Kris pgpmUhip9lJCM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
albi wrote: > Jay O'Brien wrote: > > hi, > > >>Running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 #0, i386 P3-667MHz, 512MB RAM. > > - cut for brevity > >>-I didn't install xorg. Why are the 16 xorg ports present? > > > a fresh FreeBSD 5.3 has xorg by default instead of XFree86 > So X is installed by default whether or not I wish to use X? Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
Jay O'Brien wrote: albi wrote: Jay O'Brien wrote: hi, Running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 #0, i386 P3-667MHz, 512MB RAM. - cut for brevity -I didn't install xorg. Why are the 16 xorg ports present? a fresh FreeBSD 5.3 has xorg by default instead of XFree86 So X is installed by default whether or not I wish to use X? Jay No, FreeBSD prior to 5.3 had XFree86 as X-server, but since XFree86 changed their licenses FreeBSD switched to X.org. If you installed X.org depends on what install you choose. If you choose 'minimal install' you don't have X.org installed ( if you didn't do it yourself later ) but if you choose 'X-user' or anything like that you do have X.org. You can check it by running 'pkg_info | grep xorg. If you get something like this you have installed X.org: bash-3.00$ pkg_info | grep xorg xorg-clients-6.7.0_4 X client programs and related files from X.Org xorg-documents-6.7.0 Documentation of X11 protocol and libraries from X.Org xorg-fonts-100dpi-6.7.0 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-75dpi-6.7.0 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-cyrillic-6.7.0 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-encodings-6.7.0 X.Org font encoding files xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-6.7.0 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts xorg-fonts-truetype-6.7.0 X.Org TrueType fonts xorg-fonts-type1-6.7.0 X.Org Type1 fonts xorg-fontserver-6.7.0 X font server from X.Org xorg-libraries-6.7.0_2 X11 libraries and headers from X.Org xorg-manpages-6.7.0 X.Org library manual pages xorg-server-6.7.0_9 X.Org X server and related programs xorg-vfbserver-6.7.0 X virtual framebuffer server from X.Org Merry X-mas btw :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, Dec 24, 2004 at 01:54:04PM -0800, Jay O'Brien wrote: > > >>I ran portupgrade -a -N -vu -rR, and it tried several times >>to fetch X11R6.8.1-src1.tar.gz, each time taking over an hour, >>and when the file failed, it failed showing a checksum mismatch. > > >>I tried it again today, and it was able to fetch the three >>remaining files. SLOW. I have a DSL connection, and usually >>see 1.5MB speeds or more. Two of the files came in at 6kBps, >>one at 26 kBps. This Portupgrade session, including downloading >>the files detailed below, took 3 hours and 38 minutes; 1.5 hours >>was spent just downloading the three files. >> >>>From the script file of the session: >>=> X11R6.8.1-src(#).tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in >>/usr/ports/distfiles/xorg. >>=> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/tars/ >> >>files fetched and time for download: >>filesizeend speedtime >>X11R6.8.1-src1.tar.gz29MB 6510 Bps 80 min >>X11R6.8.1-src6.tar.gz 3106kB 6298 Bps 8 min >>X11R6.8.1-src2.tar.gz 5672kB 26 kBps 4 min >> >>I have two questions: >> >>-Is this typical to see such slow download speeds > > > Sometimes; it's not unusual for a popular ftp site to be heavily > loaded. There are various variables you can set to control fetching > from different sites; see the ports(7) manpage and the comments in > bsd.port.mk. > Wow. And after I decode that somehow I have to know an alternate site. It appeared to me that as it was fetching from x.org (see above) that the ftp site was not something I could change. 6500 Bps is much slower than an ancient dialup connection; a big waste of time, it appeared, as I am not using X at all. > >>and for the >> portupgrade process to take so much time? > > > X is a large set of applications, so it's going to take a little while > to compile it all :-) > > >>-I didn't install xorg. Why are the 16 xorg ports present? > > > I don't understand what you're asking here. In my install of FreeBSD I did not select any flavor of X at all, and I would like to learn why it was installed "by default". > > Kris Thanks for your answer, it has pointed me at more things I didn't know were there that I have to learn about. Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
Frank Staals wrote: > Jay O'Brien wrote: > > >>albi wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Jay O'Brien wrote: >>> >>>hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 #0, i386 P3-667MHz, 512MB RAM. >>> >>>- cut for brevity >>> >>> >>> >>> -I didn't install xorg. Why are the 16 xorg ports present? >>> >>>a fresh FreeBSD 5.3 has xorg by default instead of XFree86 >>> >>> >>> >> >>So X is installed by default whether or not I wish to use X? >> >>Jay >> >> >> > > No, FreeBSD prior to 5.3 had XFree86 as X-server, but since XFree86 > changed their licenses FreeBSD switched to X.org. If you installed X.org > depends on what install you choose. If you choose 'minimal install' you > don't have X.org installed ( if you didn't do it yourself later ) but if > you choose 'X-user' or anything like that you do have X.org. You can > check it by running 'pkg_info | grep xorg. If you get something like > this you have installed X.org: > > bash-3.00$ pkg_info | grep xorg > xorg-clients-6.7.0_4 X client programs and related files from X.Org > xorg-documents-6.7.0 Documentation of X11 protocol and libraries from X.Org > xorg-fonts-100dpi-6.7.0 X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-75dpi-6.7.0 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-cyrillic-6.7.0 X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-encodings-6.7.0 X.Org font encoding files > xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-6.7.0 X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts > xorg-fonts-truetype-6.7.0 X.Org TrueType fonts > xorg-fonts-type1-6.7.0 X.Org Type1 fonts > xorg-fontserver-6.7.0 X font server from X.Org > xorg-libraries-6.7.0_2 X11 libraries and headers from X.Org > xorg-manpages-6.7.0 X.Org library manual pages > xorg-server-6.7.0_9 X.Org X server and related programs > xorg-vfbserver-6.7.0 X virtual framebuffer server from X.Org > > Merry X-mas btw :) > > Frank, That's what I have. I *Thought* I had not selected X, but your words caused me to review my installation notes. My face is *red*. I did select "All system sources, binaries and X window system". My intent with this computer is for it to be a web and mail server; when I did the install I probably accepted the X because someday I want to run Mozilla for local html viewing. I sure didn't know the consequences of that selection! But it is there, so it will stay. Thanks for answering my question. X is there because I asked for it! And Merry Christmas to you too! Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
On Friday 24 December 2004 21:54, Jay O'Brien wrote: > Running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 #0, i386 P3-667MHz, 512MB RAM. > > This is my first experience using portupgrade. > > I ran cvsup successfully for ports-all. I ran pkg_version -v. > It showed a total of 28 ports, 20 needed updating. Of those, > 16 were xorg- ports; the others were xterm, freetype2, imake > and png. > > I ran portupgrade -a -N -vu -rR, and it tried several times You dont need the -N switch, it's only used for new port installations, not upgrades. Using it carelessly is a bit dangerous, you may find youself installing ports you don't want. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
RW wrote: > On Friday 24 December 2004 21:54, Jay O'Brien wrote: > >>Running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 #0, i386 P3-667MHz, 512MB RAM. >> >>This is my first experience using portupgrade. >> >>I ran cvsup successfully for ports-all. I ran pkg_version -v. >>It showed a total of 28 ports, 20 needed updating. Of those, >>16 were xorg- ports; the others were xterm, freetype2, imake >>and png. >> >>I ran portupgrade -a -N -vu -rR, and it tried several times > > > You dont need the -N switch, it's only used for new port installations, not > upgrades. Using it carelessly is a bit dangerous, you may find youself > installing ports you don't want. Thanks, I wasn't sure about that. I saw an example that used -N and followed it. I'm not clear on what -N really does, but for now I just won't use it! Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:58:03 -0800, Jay O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] I ran portupgrade -a -N -vu -rR, and it tried several times You dont need the -N switch, it's only used for new port installations, not upgrades. Using it carelessly is a bit dangerous, you may find youself installing ports you don't want. Thanks, I wasn't sure about that. I saw an example that used -N and followed it. I'm not clear on what -N really does, but for now I just won't use it! While the manual (man) pages aren't always crystal clear, the one for portupgrade is actually pretty good at explaining what all those letter options are for. Just type at the prompt: $ man portupgrade You'll have a much better idea of what the options do and which ones you want to use for a given situation. Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
On Saturday 25 December 2004 12:29, Jay O'Brien wrote: > But it is there, so it will stay. I doesn't *have* to stay, though: 1) Add 'WITHOUT_X11="YES"' to /etc/make.conf . 2) Use You can use 'pkg_info -rR xorg-[whatever]' to see which ports depend on a each of the X.org ports. For each "dependent" port, there will be three possible states: 1) You don't use it anymore (eg you used to use Firefox, but haven't in a long time) and no other port depends on it. If this is true, then use pkg_delete to remove that port. 2) You still use it, but don't use the X11 version of it (eg you want to use ImageMagick for automated image processing, but don't need the 'display' command which depends on X.org). In this case, you can rebuild the port and with WITHOUT_X11="YES" setting above will remove its dependency on X.org. 3) You still the X11 version of it. In this case, you won't be removing X.org any time soon. Note that in case #2 above, you don't necessarily have to rebuild it *right now*. A lot of ports are updated regularly and might be updated the next time you run portupgrade anyway. If removing X.org isn't a high priority, then you can always check back every month or so to see when the list of packages that need X11 is small enough that you can force-upgrade them in a reasonably short amount of time. Also note that this general approach works for pretty much any other large system that you might want to remove, not just X.org. -- Kirk Strauser pgpMhC85Wxo41.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
Kirk Strauser wrote: > On Saturday 25 December 2004 12:29, Jay O'Brien wrote: > > >>But it is there, so it will stay. > > > I doesn't *have* to stay, though: > > 1) Add 'WITHOUT_X11="YES"' to /etc/make.conf . > 2) Use You can use 'pkg_info -rR xorg-[whatever]' to see which ports depend > on a each of the X.org ports. > > For each "dependent" port, there will be three possible states: > > 1) You don't use it anymore (eg you used to use Firefox, but haven't in a > long time) and no other port depends on it. If this is true, then use > pkg_delete to remove that port. > > 2) You still use it, but don't use the X11 version of it (eg you want to use > ImageMagick for automated image processing, but don't need the 'display' > command which depends on X.org). In this case, you can rebuild the port > and with WITHOUT_X11="YES" setting above will remove its dependency on > X.org. > > 3) You still the X11 version of it. In this case, you won't be removing > X.org any time soon. > > Note that in case #2 above, you don't necessarily have to rebuild it *right > now*. A lot of ports are updated regularly and might be updated the next > time you run portupgrade anyway. If removing X.org isn't a high priority, > then you can always check back every month or so to see when the list of > packages that need X11 is small enough that you can force-upgrade them in a > reasonably short amount of time. > > Also note that this general approach works for pretty much any other large > system that you might want to remove, not just X.org. Kirk, Thanks for answering questions I didn't know how to ask. However, now that I realize I have xorg installed, I've been playing with it and I think I'll keep it around for now. I may even install Mozilla or Firefox. Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
