Re: well, try here first...
Hi, On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:58:14 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to you wanted to say 'jawohl'? Jawohl mein Herr! :-) What, no comma!? what the Playboy did to the German language ... Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after decades of no comma in the tag line. do you mean that it was Play boy? or what? what was the tag line? Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht Ouch. Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there is the word order that achieves this goal, and a comma is mostly optional or left to preferences. In German, there are rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not leave much space for individual preferences. :-) In the above example, Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht or better using a hyphen Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page in a correct manner. I have had to open playboy.de again. Just for the comma. I think that it is a bit more complicated. Especially as Playboy is here the brand 'Alles, was Maennern Spass macht' is the tag line and needs a comma after alles. Playboy does it now properly in the header of their site but wrongly in the title. Your second line with the hyphen is there the best option if there would be the comma after alles. I never would have believed that Playboy becomes part of a serious discussion which started with an sshd problem. Ok, the world knows now the importance of Playboy for the IT world. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: well, try here first...
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:58:02 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi wrote: In 'classic' English (as taught in the 60s and earlier), a comma was _required_ before a trailing 'and' in a list of 3 or more items, and forbidden if there were only two items. Not really: http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/what-is-the-oxford-comma Perhaps is should be taken to chat, it has nothing to do with FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing
tao to ethic.
The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
using and is very different among the Linusi.
rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had
trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
The FreeBSD equivalent would be something like
# /etc/rc.d/sshd start
or putting sshd_enable=YES into /etc/rc.conf to have this
task at boot.
Depending on what Linux you are using, this may be as easy as
on FreeBSD... or overcomplicated, because nobody needs this
anyway. :-)
no mo' energy. I hear my bed singing sirens' songs:)
5 mins later: I ssh'd from tao to ethic then used the ssh-vvv
for debug. Somewhere this string shoewd up. as noted, this
is from OBSD:
SSH2_MSG_IGNORE
so if anybody running openbsd or fedora, or anybody who has stubbed
his toe this way, give a hollar.
S'All,
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Re: well, try here first...
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing
tao to ethic.
The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while
the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on
FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration
and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that
specific service (that has to be enabled).
The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
using and is very different among the Linusi.
rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had
trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server
set up on Fedora:
http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH
Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
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Re: well, try here first...
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
*out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh
back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a
string like Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards
or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from
OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
Erich
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Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*.
to my
server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string
like
Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing
tao to ethic.
The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while
the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on
FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration
and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that
specific service (that has to be enabled).
hmmm. that might be it. my firewall is in a nice small, 4w netgear
box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that
I never studied. yuk.
The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
using and is very different among the Linusi.
rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had
trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server
set up on Fedora:
http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH
Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to.
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Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:10:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
*out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh
back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a
string like Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards
or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from
OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
Erich
Ha! yes! I did not know it was one word, but should have remembered
the v should be a w ...
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Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
*out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh
back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a
string like Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards
or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from
OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
What, no comma!?
:)
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Re: well, try here first...
Hi,
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can
ssh *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I
cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an
instant Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get
a string like Connnection closed. can any of you network
wizards or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff
is from OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
What, no comma!?
what the Playboy did to the German language ...
Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was obviously a
mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after decades of no
comma in the tag line.
You know, while in other countries man could say that they read Playboy
only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy only to check
on the comma.
Erich
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Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*.
to my
server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string
like
Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing
tao to ethic.
The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while
the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on
FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration
and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that
specific service (that has to be enabled).
and I believe you need to give the full path name; that's one of the
things ii just did.
The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
using and is very different among the Linusi.
rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had
trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server
set up on Fedora:
http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH
Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
well, it works. im not sure what I did, but no comp;laints!
I'm running pfSense in a netgear box. before I rebooted, my
local IP ended in .114; after and now it moved to .113. when
I did an ssh 10.47.0.113, voila! the new tao requested my password.
and I was in. and go ssh back and forth. Whew!
thanks for the help, guys.
gary
ps: I'v got to figure out how to remove gnome and install kde,
c, but at least that should be easy.
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Re: well, try here first...
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
What, no comma!?
what the Playboy did to the German language ...
Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was obviously a
mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after decades of no
comma in the tag line.
do you mean that it was Play boy? or what? what was the tag line?
You know, while in other countries man could say that they read Playboy
only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy only to check
on the comma.
:-) funny. I, of course, =always= read playboy for the articles,
just like every other guy. {that line goes back to the early
1970s. at least.}
gary
Erich
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Re: well, try here first...
Hi,
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
What, no comma!?
what the Playboy did to the German language ...
Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was
obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after
decades of no comma in the tag line.
do you mean that it was Play boy? or what? what was the tag
line?
Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht
Playboy corrected this meanwhile as you can see on www.playboy.de.
Just on the side. Does playboy.com still mirror FreeBSD as they did
many years ago?
Erich
You know, while in other countries man could say that they read
Playboy only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy
only to check on the comma.
:-) funny. I, of course, =always= read playboy for the
articles, just like every other guy. {that line goes back to the
early 1970s. at least.}
A brother-in-law does this for another professional reason. He does or
did those days plastic surgery and has had to see the results of other
people's work. Of course, he was also interested in the articles.
Listening to his comments was more fun than reading the humour page of
Playboy.
Erich
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Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:50:40 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*.
to my
server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string
like
Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing
tao to ethic.
The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while
the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on
FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration
and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that
specific service (that has to be enabled).
hmmm. that might be it. my firewall is in a nice small, 4w netgear
box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that
I never studied. yuk.
I assume your HW firewall protects you to the outside. Of
course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to
the tao box _if_ you want it that way.
But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS
that might block SSH connections to tao, no matter from
where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's
ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely
enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no
matter if it's running.
The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
using and is very different among the Linusi.
rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had
trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server
set up on Fedora:
http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH
Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to.
Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora.
It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also
mentions the built-in firewall that has to be configured
to allow connections to that server.
From my limited experience with Fedora (haven't used it for some
time), this looks like what you need to do.
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Re: well, try here first...
2012-11-13 06:22, Gary Kline skrev:
guys,
hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working
from an outside computer into my brand new tao that is running a
flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken
tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
anybody know what im NOT doing?
You have to start the ssh daemon (sshd)
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Re: well, try here first...
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to you wanted to say 'jawohl'? Jawohl mein Herr! :-) What, no comma!? what the Playboy did to the German language ... Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after decades of no comma in the tag line. do you mean that it was Play boy? or what? what was the tag line? Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht Ouch. Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there is the word order that achieves this goal, and a comma is mostly optional or left to preferences. In German, there are rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not leave much space for individual preferences. :-) In the above example, Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht or better using a hyphen Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page in a correct manner. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: well, try here first...
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 03:58:14AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht
Ouch.
Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol
in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there
is the word order that achieves this goal, and a comma is
mostly optional or left to preferences. In German, there are
rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules
are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not
leave much space for individual preferences. :-)
In the above example,
Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht
or better using a hyphen
Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht
would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page
in a correct manner.
So! this explains a lot that I've noticed over the years.
remember that im beyong =getting= old; I really Am old.
before I started high school, the rules for commas were
almost set in concrete. my english teacher took points off
if there was an incorrect comma. it looks like in germany
language has remained very strict. {but then, that's why
punctuation exists.}
I've noticed an easing of punctuation--esp'ly in the use of
commas--in how I was taught. but let's face it: it's easier
to text by slacking off. :)
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Re: well, try here first...
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 02:35:43AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that
I never studied. yuk.
I assume your HW firewall protects you to the outside. Of
course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to
the tao box _if_ you want it that way.
my netgear and pfSense setup surprised me this afternoon. the
initial setup listed my internal IP as
10.47.0.114,
but something I did changed the DHCP leases section to
10.47.0.113 .
after that, I could ssh out and then ssh back to tao.
But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS
that might block SSH connections to tao, no matter from
where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's
ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely
enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no
matter if it's running.
I havent used ipfw for many years. the most recent firewall I
ran was on FBSD 5.X and was {i think} pfw. I got quite good
at it. I should learn more about plain pf and pfSense.
do you know if pf/pfsense defaults to DENY incoming connections?
that would explain a Lot!
The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
using and is very different among the Linusi.
rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always
had
trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server
set up on Fedora:
http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH
Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to.
Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora.
It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also
mentions the built-in firewall that has to be configured
to allow connections to that server.
the URL you had was fedora-13; what I installed fedora-17.
and just recently--maybe when I rebooted--i saw fedora-19[?]
not sure... .
From my limited experience with Fedora (haven't used it for some
time), this looks like what you need to do.
well, the deal is that my volunteer system admin worked for
red hat for about 5 years. I'm more used to ubuntu, but my
friend says that im on my own
anyway, things are starting to eork. [!]
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Re: well, try here first...
On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Polytropon wrote: Ouch. Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there is the word order that achieves this goal, and a comma is mostly optional or left to preferences. In German, there are rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not leave much space for individual preferences. :-) In the above example, Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht or better using a hyphen Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page in a correct manner. To be fair, a lot of the same rules exist for English. The comma is not optional or left to preferences in English, either. There are definite rules and it brings structure. Unfortunately, lots of people forget (or don't pay attention to) these rules, or, they are casual with them in the casual forms of communication, like email. (And there are some people who believe that the text language is English -- OMG, WTF, GR8, B4, LOL, etc -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_language ) Wie mit deutscher Sprache, man kann (mit englischer Sprache) vieles mit der Wortstellung machen. Und dazu, ist, natürlich, die richtige Anwendung (und Verständnis) der Grammatik wichtig. (Like with the German language, one can do a lot with word order (in English). And for that, the proper use and understanding of Grammar is important) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eats,_Shoots_%26_Leaves Und Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht ist 100% verständlich auf deutsch, da es einen richtigen Dativ Kasus gibt, im Gegensatz zu englischer Sprache. (and playboy -- everything that is fun for men [in German] is 100% understandable in German, because there is a real dative case in German, unlike in english.) Gruss aus Utah Chad
Re: well, try here first...
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:01:20AM +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
2012-11-13 06:22, Gary Kline skrev:
guys,
hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working
from an outside computer into my brand new tao that is running a
flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken
tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is
installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
anybody know what im NOT doing?
You have to start the ssh daemon (sshd)
this may have been what did the trick; also, you need the full
path.
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Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:09:08 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 02:35:43AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that
I never studied. yuk.
I assume your HW firewall protects you to the outside. Of
course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to
the tao box _if_ you want it that way.
my netgear and pfSense setup surprised me this afternoon. the
initial setup listed my internal IP as
10.47.0.114,
but something I did changed the DHCP leases section to
10.47.0.113 .
after that, I could ssh out and then ssh back to tao.
If you have the option of configuring the DHCP subsystem to
hand out IPs according to MAC addresses, that should make you
safe from reboots and _possible_ new IPs. (At least that's
how I've configured my home system so every device will get
the same IP, no matter how or when it requests one from the
DHCP server. It also includes certain port redirections so
a SSH request from external source will _always_ be directed
to the _correct_ machine on the LAN.)
But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS
that might block SSH connections to tao, no matter from
where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's
ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely
enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no
matter if it's running.
I havent used ipfw for many years. the most recent firewall I
ran was on FBSD 5.X and was {i think} pfw. I got quite good
at it. I should learn more about plain pf and pfSense.
do you know if pf/pfsense defaults to DENY incoming connections?
that would explain a Lot!
That depends on the pre-configuration of the firewall on the
Linux side. From reading the article I've mentioned, I got the
impression that the firewall would deny SSH connections per
default, and that _you_ would have to enable it if you wanted
to use that service. That is comparable to OpenBSD's service
disabled by default policy. I'm still not sure if this idea
will get much love or understanding in Linux land where an
do everything out of the box experience seems to be very
important among some distributions. :-)
On FreeBSD, ipfw can DEFAULT_TO_DENY or DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT, and you
have to specify your rules usually according to the chosen paradigm.
Of course, there are rules to achieve the same effect, even if in
the opposite paradigm.
The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
using and is very different among the Linusi.
rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always
had
trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server
set up on Fedora:
http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH
Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to.
Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora.
It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also
mentions the built-in firewall that has to be configured
to allow connections to that server.
the URL you had was fedora-13; what I installed fedora-17.
and just recently--maybe when I rebooted--i saw fedora-19[?]
not sure... .
Then there's the possibility that things have changed. Even though
there should not be a massive or paradigm-wide shift in things, you
never know when using automated updating on Linux. Still the
instructions should be usable at least to identify the steps
involved and the tools to be used.
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Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:20:51 -0700, Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Polytropon wrote: Ouch. Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there is the word order that achieves this goal, and a comma is mostly optional or left to preferences. In German, there are rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not leave much space for individual preferences. :-) In the above example, Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht or better using a hyphen Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page in a correct manner. To be fair, a lot of the same rules exist for English. The comma is not optional or left to preferences in English, either. There are definite rules and it brings structure. That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match realitiy anymore. :-) A famous thing is comma in lists: Unlike German, where and substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a comma infront of and: He bought a glass, a towel, a toothpick, and a nose. In German, that would be Er kaufte ein Glas, ein Handtuch, einen Zahnstocker und eine Nase. There are in fact only two exceptions of comma prior to 'and' in German. But I don't want to start a school lesson here. The exceptions are closures and appended main clause. :-) Unfortunately, lots of people forget (or don't pay attention to) these rules, or, they are casual with them in the casual forms of communication, like email. Well, I don't think that the e-mail (as a medium) implies abandoning rules for written language. Sure, it's sloppy very often, but it should not mangle the languge in a way that the reader has to guess or to ask for what the writer wanted to express. Proper spelling and punctuation help a lot, and it should not be too much struggle to get it right: children learn it in the early years in school, so why should adults forget it? (And there are some people who believe that the text language is English -- OMG, WTF, GR8, B4, LOL, etc -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_language ) There is also a transition of this written representation to spoken language - some (young) people actually speaking like SMS. I don't think that people actually confuse SMS text with the actual english language. They could have done so almost 100 years ago with Q groups and abbreviations used in amateur radio telegraphy (and even in phone mode), ok dr om, hw? :-) All those specific language deviations have their place and are fully valid. It depends on context. For example, if you got a business letter with every 3rd word spelled wrong and containing SMS and L33T slang, would you take it as a serious information? Form and content have to match. Nobody would accept a tax form printed on toilet paper, even if it would be 100% correct in all content and number details. Wie mit deutscher Sprache, man kann (mit englischer Sprache) vieles mit der Wortstellung machen. Und dazu, ist, natürlich, die richtige Anwendung (und Verständnis) der Grammatik wichtig. Sure it is, but it's not about an 1:1 translation. You need to think in German if you want to get it fully right. Baumkuchen... :-) Your sentence would have been: In der deutschen Sprache kann man (wie in der englischen Sprache) vieles mit der Wortstellung machen. Dazu ist natürlich die richtige Anwendung (und das Verstaendnis) der Grammatik wichtig. That is little difference, but it makes a big difference in readability. Note that the structure of a sentence, aided by punctuation, is an important part during the reading experience. Sentences that do not show any structure are hard to read and to understand, and a missing comma can decide about life or death easily: KILL HIM NOT WAIT UNTIL I ARRIVE It's either kill him, not wait until I arrive or kill him not, wait until I arrive, and this translation is not very good as nicht ~= do not cannot be represented so nicely as in the german equivalent sentence. Er begann seinen Hut auf dem Kopf zu essen. is another (famous) example of how a missing comma can confuse the reader: He started eating the hat on his head is the first interpretation, even if He started eating, (having) the hat on his head, and the comma already makes this difference. (Like with the German language, one can do a lot with word order (in English). And for that, the proper use and understanding of Grammar is important) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eats,_Shoots_%26_Leaves Haha, nice! :-) But pleese pay atension too, the new englis orfograffy which make`s every thing easyer to under stand and, more freedems to mak punctation and les speeling errer's. Funkzionier't auch in, Deutsch! :-) Und Playboy alles was
Re: well, try here first...
On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Polytropon wrote: That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match realitiy anymore. :-) A famous thing is comma in lists: Unlike German, where and substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a comma infront of and: He bought a glass, a towel, a toothpick, and a nose. In German, that would be Er kaufte ein Glas, ein Handtuch, einen Zahnstocker und eine Nase. This is interesting, because the comma before the and in a list is much more understandable, because it is open to less interpretation. This is where the eats shoots and leaves comes in, kind of. There are similar examples where ambiguity arises from the lack of a comma before and in a list. The comma before the and is traditional English. There are, however, lots of people who advocate for the lack of a comma before the and in a list and that is taught in some classes in some schools. I don't claim to be a great German speaker or writer. I have not visited there in 12 years nor lived there in almost 20 years. But people at least can understand me and I can get my point across. :) Most of my post was meant to support what you were saying, btw. As well as give examples and interesting tidbits. I agree that proper grammar is important in language, even when I don't always use it or do it; especially in informal speech like email lists, forums, etc. But pleese pay atension too, the new englis orfograffy which make`s every thing easyer to under stand and, more freedems to mak punctation and les speeling errer's. Funkzionier't auch in, Deutsch! :-) You must really be taking a conniption fit with the changes (Verbilligen -- cheapening -- though the exact words I was searching for have failed me tonight) that have happened in German in the last 10 or so years ( striking of ß; to always be written with ss now, etc)... Und Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht ist 100% verständlich auf deutsch, da es einen richtigen Dativ Kasus gibt, im Gegensatz zu englischer Sprache. It may be 100% understandable, but it's not correct, because it's not a sentence or a grammatically valid construct. The translation would have been (quite literally, I admit): Playboy everything what men fun makes Actually, no. A more correct translation would be:Playboy everything that to men fun makes. [Or, if you wanted the same mistake (lack of comma or hyphen) but proper English word order: Playboy everything that is fun for men.] Männern is dative case, which, when used without a preposition, is best translated as to something where something is written with dative case endings. Again, a hyphen after the 1st word would it much more readable. (and playboy -- everything that is fun for men [in German] is 100% understandable in German, because there is a real dative case in German, unlike in english.) In _that_ translation, you've used the hyphen correctly (which was missing in the german version discussed). Yes, my bad. I was trying to write it the same but fixed it unconsciously. regards Chad
Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:27:37 -0700, Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Polytropon wrote: That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match realitiy anymore. :-) A famous thing is comma in lists: Unlike German, where and substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a comma infront of and: He bought a glass, a towel, a toothpick, and a nose. In German, that would be Er kaufte ein Glas, ein Handtuch, einen Zahnstocker und eine Nase. This is interesting, because the comma before the and in a list is much more understandable, because it is open to less interpretation. This is different to 'and' substitutes a comma, but makes sense. For example, I prefer reading the english documentation of FreeBSD (manpages, handbook, FAQ and articles) over their often sloppily and quite mechanically done translations. Good quality in documentation helps to raise the quality of the complete product. This is where the eats shoots and leaves comes in, kind of. There are similar examples where ambiguity arises from the lack of a comma before and in a list. The comma before the and is traditional English. Interesting, thanks for this pointer. So modern English is what makes the difference here... There are, however, lots of people who advocate for the lack of a comma before the and in a list and that is taught in some classes in some schools. This kind of arbitraryness is not good. Whatever way is preferred, it should be used consistently. I don't claim to be a great German speaker or writer. I have not visited there in 12 years nor lived there in almost 20 years. But people at least can understand me and I can get my point across. :) With enough mental variability, that shouldn't be a problem. :-) Most of my post was meant to support what you were saying, btw. As well as give examples and interesting tidbits. I agree that proper grammar is important in language, even when I don't always use it or do it; especially in informal speech like email lists, forums, etc. Personally I do not make such differences. Proper spelling is easier (at least for me) than artificially avoiding it, like _not_ putting a comma where it belongs to, _not_ capitalizing a word that is to be capitalized, or _not_ using the proper spelling in favour of some variant. However, I'm not considered normal so whatever I do does not imply anything. :-) But pleese pay atension too, the new englis orfograffy which make`s every thing easyer to under stand and, more freedems to mak punctation and les speeling errer's. Funkzionier't auch in, Deutsch! :-) You must really be taking a conniption fit with the changes (Verbilligen -- cheapening -- though the exact words I was searching for have failed me tonight) that have happened in German in the last 10 or so years ( striking of ß; to always be written with ss now, etc)... The Eszett has been abolished in Switzerland, not in Germany. The new rule (historically: old, has been abolished after about 100 years in use because too much prone to errors) says something about short vs. long vowels which is nonsense (as vowel length depends on dialect, not on spelling), so some valid ß get turned into ss. Effect: Most valid ß get turned into ss, and even some innocent s get turned into ss, like Massband or Zeugniss. :-) I'm still looking for a valid translation of bespaßen, an accusative-passive construct of to entertain somebody. :-) Und Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht ist 100% verständlich auf deutsch, da es einen richtigen Dativ Kasus gibt, im Gegensatz zu englischer Sprache. It may be 100% understandable, but it's not correct, because it's not a sentence or a grammatically valid construct. The translation would have been (quite literally, I admit): Playboy everything what men fun makes Actually, no. A more correct translation would be: Playboy everything that to men fun makes. Yes, that's much more valid, that's why I wrote literally, which means sloppy and possibly wrong, because I didn't find a proper way to have the dative case encoding without adding additional words, so it's even wronger. :-) [Or, if you wanted the same mistake (lack of comma or hyphen) but proper English word order: Playboy everything that is fun for men.] Whom is it fun for? +Dativ. Whom is it fun to? +Dativ. Sadly, I can't bring the Dativ joke here: Ulli hat Dativ mitgebracht - für jedem einem. Ulli has brought Dativ - one for everyone. Yes, the translation isn't funny anymore. :-( Männern is dative case, which, when used without a preposition, is best translated as to something where something is written with dative case endings. Case endings and clear preposition requirements are something much stronger for example in the russian language. They are represented even in spelling. Here we have to get them from context.
Re: well, try here first...
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:48:48 +0100
From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de
Subject: Re: well, try here first...
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:20:51 -0700, Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote:
To be fair, a lot of the same rules exist for English. The comma
is not optional or left to preferences in English, either. There
are definite rules and it brings structure.
That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match
realitiy anymore. :-)
A famous thing is comma in lists: Unlike German, where and
substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a
comma infront of and:
In 'classic' English (as taught in the 60s and earlier), a comma was
_required_ before a trailing 'and' in a list of 3 or more items, and forbidden
if there were only two items.
The famous eats roots, shoots... would parse as eating 3 objects, with the
comma before the 'and'.
for three actions, change the 'and' to 'then', comma before 'then'.
If eating two objects, eats roots AND shoots *comma* and... (emphasis added)
The accepted 'rules' changed about the time new math was foisted on the
world. The most visible ones involved comma placement, and punctuation
inside trailing quotes.
The password is frodo.
It is 5 characters long.
The password is frodo.
It is 6 characters long.
BAH, HUMBUG!!!
Make the first one:
The password is frodo.
and all the ambiguity goes away.*snarl*
He bought a glass, a towel, a toothpick, and a nose.
In German, that would be
Er kaufte ein Glas, ein Handtuch, einen Zahnstocker
und eine Nase.
how do you write:
The sandwich choices are: tuna salad, chicken, roast beef and
ham, and cheese.
*without* making the last option a '{2 meats} and cheese' sandwich ??
(the next-to-last has two types of meat on it)
*EVIL* grin
Note that the structure of a sentence, aided by
punctuation, is an important part during the reading experience.
Sentences that do not show any structure are hard to read and
to understand, and a missing comma can decide about life or
death easily:
KILL HIM NOT WAIT UNTIL I ARRIVE
the traditional one of these in English is:
Go kill Joe Brown
_who_ is to die depends on whether or not there is a comma after
the second word. Ditto for who -does- the deed.
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Re: well, try here first...
Hi,
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get
you do not allow us some fun?
ssh working from an outside computer into my brand new tao that is
running a flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the
old, broken tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway,
linux is installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
*out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back
in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
Connection refused. if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string
like Connnection closed. can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
anybody know what im NOT doing?
Proper setup?
Firewall?
inetd?
It sounds like something very, very obvious. But I know how it feels if
one cannot see the tiny thing.
Erich
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