Re: why I am upset
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 06:04:04AM -0500, Franci Nabalanci wrote: > My French and Italian is enough for me, dear Sir. There are not just > English on the world!! Speak whatever language you want. I don't support that part of a former post. > How do you know that I didn't contribute to the FreeBSD foundation?? Did > you check my bank account?? Nothing to do with your bank account. The OP is the indication because if you were a contributer, you would have included some useful information so those who are really doing the work would have something to go on. That post was useless and no help to improving the product. Freeware is supported by all that create and use it. It is a community of supporters. Join the community in some way or keep quiet. No, I don't expect you or others to be geniuses like some of the developers and supporters - I certainly am not. But, at least stop whining and be constructive. jerry > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > > > > > On 26 May 2012, at 03:12, ajtiM wrote: > > > > > Why I am upset but not just me? > > > > > > I am running KDE 4.8 from January on my Linux computer. Now is almost > > June and > > > we got KDE 4.8 on FreeBSD too. 5 months testing and it works? No. The > > modern > > > OS for the desktop computer doesn;t works. O.K. OS works but > > installatoon of 5 > > > months testing of KDE doesn;t. > > > And help? Read /usr/ports/UOPDATING!! I red before I start inastallation > > but I > > > am not sure if helpers did! Thank you for wasting my time. > > > > > > Mitja > > > > 1/ English, learn it. > > 2/ Remind me how much you paid for free software you've most likely never > > contributed to ? > > 3/ You're too busy being a whiny raging kid to actually explain your > > problem > > 4/ Even if you had, I doubt anyone would want to help you after your epic > > flame > > > > > > Seeing you do not even show the slightest hint of respect or gratitude > > towards the people who actually work on the software in their free time: > > > > 5/ I'm gonna respectfully ask that you STFU > > > > You're such a good rager, I'm convinced you shan't need google to figure > > out the acronym. > > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
On Saturday, 22 January 2005 at 9:53:53 +, d...@safeport.com wrote: > On Sun, 27 May 2012, Warren Block wrote: > >> There can be a tremendous investment of time in using software, whether >> "free" or not. Money too, often. >> >> Those who work to write, port, and support free software also spend a >> tremendous amount of time in doing that. Money too, often. >> >> So both parties have a large investment, and it's easy but counterproductive >> to get emotional about it. Take a deep breath, be polite, and try to >> appreciate the other guy's problems. Otherwise it just ends up creating more >> problems, and there are already enough. > > Warren makes a great point. In years past Greg Lehey used to post, > "How to ask a question", or something similar. "How to get best results from FreeBSD questions". > Its worth resurrecting that. It's still there in the FreeBSD web site: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ If people are getting upset, maybe it's worth reading it again. > As I recall, the major points were: Nobody here is getting paid to > do this; there are a great number of people with a wealth of > information willing to help; and, its up to the one asking the > question to do it in such a way as to peak someones interest. Yes, that's a good paraphrase. FWIW I think that Mitja has a point, even if in his frustration he put it badly. It's a pity that nobody here tried to get him to calm down and say what went wrong or enter a PR. While it's true that we're all volunteers, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be proud of our product and want to fix it if things go wrong. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer Finger g...@freebsd.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua pgpDR3Bd6XYke.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: why I am upset
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > On Sun, 27 May 2012, Warren Block wrote: > >> There can be a tremendous investment of time in using software, whether >> "free" or not. Money too, often. >> >> Those who work to write, port, and support free software also spend a >> tremendous amount of time in doing that. Money too, often. >> >> So both parties have a large investment, and it's easy but >> counterproductive to get emotional about it. Take a deep breath, be polite, >> and try to appreciate the other guy's problems. Otherwise it just ends up >> creating more problems, and there are already enough. > > > Warren makes a great point. In years past Greg Lehey used to post, "How to > ask a question", or something similar. Its worth resurrecting that. As I > recall, the major points were: Nobody here is getting paid to do this; there > are a great number of people with a wealth of information willing to help; > and, its up to the one asking the question to do it in such a way as to peak > someones interest. Just to add to this: even though the original question was asked with frustration and vitriol, people on the list shouldn't respond in such juvenile and inappropriate ways as people did earlier in this thread. The level of discourse on all the other lists is very high. Unfortunately, the level of discourse on this list when someone approaches the list poorly is also just as poor. The type of people who gave nasty or derisive responses in this thread are the ones that give the FreeBSD community a bad name. I'm sure all your mothers told you at one time or another: If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Also, pique, from French: to prick or stimulate. >> From an earlier post: > > > On 05/26/2012 05:40 PM, Franci Nabalanci wrote: >> >> I did use portmaster for KDE 4.8 update and it stopped: >> >> The devel/kdebindings4-python port has been deleted: kdebindings ports >> have >> been refactored. >> >> Update aborted. >> >> And I don't know how to save a problem. > > > If it is repeatable, re-do the operation with: > > script error.log > > I use [and love] FreeBSD as a workstation because: I get better performance > with hardware that I would otherwise throw away. I am sure of this because > no charity will take anything I am "done" with. I assume all on this list > use FreeBSD for similar or their own reasons. Hence the 'captain obvious > statement', the FreeBSD sucks threads tend to degrade in direct proportion > to their length. > > When things go wrong with upgrading a workstation port tree they can > [often??] go really badly. A couple of tools and/or techniques can help: > pkg_cleanup, pkg_tree, the pkg port to revert a port to a previous level. > Check out anything named pkg_ in the port collection. > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
On Sun, 27 May 2012, Warren Block wrote: There can be a tremendous investment of time in using software, whether "free" or not. Money too, often. Those who work to write, port, and support free software also spend a tremendous amount of time in doing that. Money too, often. So both parties have a large investment, and it's easy but counterproductive to get emotional about it. Take a deep breath, be polite, and try to appreciate the other guy's problems. Otherwise it just ends up creating more problems, and there are already enough. Warren makes a great point. In years past Greg Lehey used to post, "How to ask a question", or something similar. Its worth resurrecting that. As I recall, the major points were: Nobody here is getting paid to do this; there are a great number of people with a wealth of information willing to help; and, its up to the one asking the question to do it in such a way as to peak someones interest. From an earlier post: On 05/26/2012 05:40 PM, Franci Nabalanci wrote: I did use portmaster for KDE 4.8 update and it stopped: The devel/kdebindings4-python port has been deleted: kdebindings ports have been refactored. Update aborted. And I don't know how to save a problem. If it is repeatable, re-do the operation with: script error.log I use [and love] FreeBSD as a workstation because: I get better performance with hardware that I would otherwise throw away. I am sure of this because no charity will take anything I am "done" with. I assume all on this list use FreeBSD for similar or their own reasons. Hence the 'captain obvious statement', the FreeBSD sucks threads tend to degrade in direct proportion to their length. When things go wrong with upgrading a workstation port tree they can [often??] go really badly. A couple of tools and/or techniques can help: pkg_cleanup, pkg_tree, the pkg port to revert a port to a previous level. Check out anything named pkg_ in the port collection. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
There can be a tremendous investment of time in using software, whether "free" or not. Money too, often. Those who work to write, port, and support free software also spend a tremendous amount of time in doing that. Money too, often. So both parties have a large investment, and it's easy but counterproductive to get emotional about it. Take a deep breath, be polite, and try to appreciate the other guy's problems. Otherwise it just ends up creating more problems, and there are already enough. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
On 05/26/2012 05:40 PM, Franci Nabalanci wrote: I did use portmaster for KDE 4.8 update and it stopped: The devel/kdebindings4-python port has been deleted: kdebindings ports have been refactored. Update aborted. And I don't know how to save a problem. Did you heed /usr/ports/UPDATING when you did the upgrade? 20120525: AFFECTS: users of deskutils/kdepim4, deskutils/kdepim4-runtime AUTHOR: k...@freebsd.org kdepim4 has been updated to 4.8.3. For those who prefer old kdepim-4.4.11.1 deskutils/kdepim44* ports have been added. To stay with kdepim-4.4.11.1 run the following commands: # portmaster -o deskutils/kdepim44-runtime kdepim-runtime-4\* # portmaster -o deskutils/kdepim44 kdepim-4\* 20120525: AFFECTS: users of KDE SC 4 AUTHOR: k...@freebsd.org KDE SC ports have been updated to 4.8.3. Several ports were split, thus manual intervention into update procedure is required: # pkg_delete -f kde-runtime-\* ruby\*-kdebindings-korundum\* \ kalgebra-4\* kdeaccessibility-4\* kdeutils-4\* kde-baseapps-\* \ plasma-applet-icontasks\* # portmaster -a ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
My French and Italian is enough for me, dear Sir. There are not just English on the world!! How do you know that I didn't contribute to the FreeBSD foundation?? Did you check my bank account?? On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > On 26 May 2012, at 03:12, ajtiM wrote: > > > Why I am upset but not just me? > > > > I am running KDE 4.8 from January on my Linux computer. Now is almost > June and > > we got KDE 4.8 on FreeBSD too. 5 months testing and it works? No. The > modern > > OS for the desktop computer doesn;t works. O.K. OS works but > installatoon of 5 > > months testing of KDE doesn;t. > > And help? Read /usr/ports/UOPDATING!! I red before I start inastallation > but I > > am not sure if helpers did! Thank you for wasting my time. > > > > Mitja > > 1/ English, learn it. > 2/ Remind me how much you paid for free software you've most likely never > contributed to ? > 3/ You're too busy being a whiny raging kid to actually explain your > problem > 4/ Even if you had, I doubt anyone would want to help you after your epic > flame > > > Seeing you do not even show the slightest hint of respect or gratitude > towards the people who actually work on the software in their free time: > > 5/ I'm gonna respectfully ask that you STFU > > You're such a good rager, I'm convinced you shan't need google to figure > out the acronym. > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
On 26 May 2012, at 03:12, ajtiM wrote: > Why I am upset but not just me? > > I am running KDE 4.8 from January on my Linux computer. Now is almost June > and > we got KDE 4.8 on FreeBSD too. 5 months testing and it works? No. The modern > OS for the desktop computer doesn;t works. O.K. OS works but installatoon of > 5 > months testing of KDE doesn;t. > And help? Read /usr/ports/UOPDATING!! I red before I start inastallation but > I > am not sure if helpers did! Thank you for wasting my time. > > Mitja 1/ English, learn it. 2/ Remind me how much you paid for free software you've most likely never contributed to ? 3/ You're too busy being a whiny raging kid to actually explain your problem 4/ Even if you had, I doubt anyone would want to help you after your epic flame Seeing you do not even show the slightest hint of respect or gratitude towards the people who actually work on the software in their free time: 5/ I'm gonna respectfully ask that you STFU You're such a good rager, I'm convinced you shan't need google to figure out the acronym. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:12 AM, ajtiM wrote: > Why I am upset but not just me? > I have no idea. Please, tell me again how much you paid for this? -- chs, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
I did use portmaster for KDE 4.8 update and it stopped: The devel/kdebindings4-python port has been deleted: kdebindings ports have been refactored. Update aborted. And I don't know how to save a problem. On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Michael Powell wrote: > Fernando Apesteguía wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Just serious now. I see you are frustrated, but it woul help if you gave > > the list a hint of what the actual problem is. You complained a lot, but > > you didn't specify the problem! > > He didn't because it is so extremely obvious a case of pure PEBKAC. > > > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
Fernando Apesteguía wrote: [snip] > > Just serious now. I see you are frustrated, but it woul help if you gave > the list a hint of what the actual problem is. You complained a lot, but > you didn't specify the problem! He didn't because it is so extremely obvious a case of pure PEBKAC. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
El 26/05/2012 03:13, "ajtiM" escribió: > > Why I am upset but not just me? > > I am running KDE 4.8 from January on my Linux computer. Now is almost June and > we got KDE 4.8 on FreeBSD too. 5 months testing and it works? No. The modern > OS for the desktop computer doesn;t works. O.K. OS works but installatoon of 5 > months testing of KDE doesn;t. > And help? Read /usr/ports/UOPDATING!! I red before I start inastallation but I > am not sure if helpers did! Thank you for wasting my time. You're welcome :) Just serious now. I see you are frustrated, but it woul help if you gave the list a hint of what the actual problem is. You complained a lot, but you didn't specify the problem! > > Mitja > > http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: why I am upset
I am running KDE 4.8 from January on my Linux computer. Now is almost June and we got KDE 4.8 on FreeBSD too. 5 months testing and it works? No. The modern OS for the desktop computer doesn;t works. O.K. OS works but installatoon of 5 months testing of KDE doesn;t. so stop using trendy "desktop" and just start to do actual work and you will not be upset any more but happy. "Desktop environments" offer exactly zero value and do nothing. Just use fvwm2, maybe icewm, tune it to your needs and start working. use xterm as your "start button" by starting program you need from command like. configure fvwm2 to have multiple "virtual desktop" switchable by keystrokes so you will have something like standard text console just in X11 with ability to run X11 programs. in most cases - run one program on one virtual desktop. Multiple windows on screen is only fashionable but useless in practice. After a while you will end in removing every unneeded things that are only fashionable but just wastes time and monitor space. For example window frames and titles. "Desktop environments" are required so average winuser will not protest too much when i do X11 terminal based configuration. but i use gnome2 this case with gdm as it is far faster (==less slow) than KDE, and as well as KDE gives nothing but looks more windows-like. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
why I am upset
Why I am upset but not just me? I am running KDE 4.8 from January on my Linux computer. Now is almost June and we got KDE 4.8 on FreeBSD too. 5 months testing and it works? No. The modern OS for the desktop computer doesn;t works. O.K. OS works but installatoon of 5 months testing of KDE doesn;t. And help? Read /usr/ports/UOPDATING!! I red before I start inastallation but I am not sure if helpers did! Thank you for wasting my time. Mitja http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
