Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Alex Perel]

On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:

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>   And as any lawyer can tell you, this doesn't mean anything.  The 
> sharks are slobbering all over themselves to nail Microsoft over the 
> recent problems with hotmail, and FreeBSD Inc. could very easily be 
> setting themselves up for a similar lawsuit.  Especially since this 
> was a change that was not very widely announced (I sure didn't see 
> anything even in /usr/src/UPDATING, much less on any other web pages 
> or anything else I've read so far), and this is a negative change 
> from previous behaviour.

Show me your credentials as a lawyer. Don't you think that in all the time
since the BSD license was first written, a lawyer has not read it? Do you
really believe that it is simply there to deter the stupid and incompetent?

>   Furthermore, this is built into the GENERIC kernel (and turned on 
> by default), and we all know that the vast majority of sites will 
> never figure out how to build their own kernel, nor will they have 
> any real use for this feature.

What you are missing here is that the people who do this are often the same
people who type their root passwords over telnet. The FreeBSD project CANNOT
be expected ot dumb the system down and remove features for the sake of
preventing one particular type of exploit. Not to mention that this one
exploit is only even an issue once the perpetraitor has penetrated the
system to the point of becoming superuser. By that point, you have much
bigger problems. 

Security is up to the admin. An admin who is not security-conciencious
deserves everything he gets. An admin who does not bother to recompile his
kernel for his specific system out of lazyness also deserves everything he
gets. An admin who compromises his system by typing his root password over
an unencrypted link should not complain that his own system is violated. 

And lets not forget that BPF is needed by a whole slew of applications. Need
examples? How about dhcp? tcpdump? verious traffic monitoring software? Why
golly, let me see! I've got bpf enabled on each and every one of the
machines I admin simply because I find it an invalueable tool for debugging
network problems. Where would we be without tcpdump? Hmm? 

>   Once on a box, it's trivially easy to get root.  In fact, with 
> various rootkits lying around, it's easy to do this programmatically 
> and gain root access to hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of 
> machines in just a few minutes.

What? Are you from the same planet as the rest of us? Show me a single
effective rootkit for a -stable system that will work, consistently, when
the admin takes even the most rudimentary measures to prevent exploitation.
Like I said above, security is up to the admin. If the admin cannot
adequately manage his system and gets cracked, the admin is to blame. Not the
operating system, and certainly not the berkeley packet filter. 

>   However, it might be a bit more difficult to script creating and 
> installing a new kernel to turn on the ability for people to do 
> password sniffing.  If this feature isn't enabled by default, you at 
> least have the chance that it would be more noticable for them to 
> build and install a new sniffing-capable kernel, and increase the 
> chance by just that smidgen more that people would actually see 
> anomolous behaviour when their machines are compromised, and 
> potentially be capable of preventing further damage to their networks 
> and systems.

Huh? 
# echo 'pseudo-device bpf' >> MYKERNEL
# config MYKERNEL
etc.

And what are you going to do when bpf becomes a KLD? Scream and shout that
KLDs are evil because they let a cracker who obtained superuser privilige to
load BPF support? 


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Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Rodney W. Grimes]

> At 10:48 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Tom wrote:
> 
> >   Uhh... this isn't true at all.  It is far from trivial to get root.
> > Show me a rootkit that works on 3.2-stable.
> 
>   I don't need to.  We're violating rule #1 of Cheswick & Bellovin 
> -- if you don't need something, don't run it.  This fact alone should 
> be enough to cause this feature to be disabled by default.

Since no one seems to have pointed directly at the reason that rule #1
is being violated I thought it might help kill this thread quickly to
state:

bpf is enabled as it is needed by DHCP to get the correct IP
configuration during an install onto a network that uses DHCP for
configuration.  Thus bpf has crossed the line from being ``not needed''
to ``needed'' out of the box.

Therefore this is not a violation of Cheswick & Bellovin's rule #1.

I myself, a person strongly against having anything on a box from
day one that may impose security risks, have adopted to the needed
change and support it.  I simply now build my boxes in a disconnected
state, then rip out what is not needed for this deployment before
the thing ever sees anything like a network.

If you need further details please search the email archives for a
very long thread that talked all about this.


About your legal concerns, well.. thats another matter all togeather,
but given the ``value'' of FreeBSD Inc it is presently not a very large
target for someone to fire at.

I will state you are correct in your assertion that the disclaimer
of warranties is not a legal protection from these types of lawsuits,
which generally use the broader scoped ``gross negligence'' basis,
it is the best that one can do given the current state of the legal
system.

Given my above statement of _why_ bpf is needed I think it would be
safe to assume that FreeBSD has done do deligence in it's task of
weighting functionality vs security and would have a good case on
this front against any gross negligence suit with respect to bpf.
Infact it can be demostrated that FreeBSD has gone the extra mile
to insure that the product it produces is far more secure than almost
anything the commercial boys turn out.


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Re: Caldera? (fwd)

[Chad R. Larson]

This discussion broke out on another list.  Did I miss any major
points?

As I recall, Chad R. Larson wrote:
> As I recall, Hampton Childress wrote:
>> On 06-Sep-99 Chad R. Larson wrote:
>>> As I recall, James White wrote:
 Can I get some pros/cons on Caldera OpenLinux 2.2?  Ok, I just checked
 their web site...  How about 2.3?
 
 RedHat has kinda rubbed me the wrong way lately, so I'm looking at
 other options.
>>> 
>>> If you're really looking for other options:
>>> 
>>> www.freebsd.org
>> 
>> Ok, I'll bite. Why, specifically? (coming from a Mandrake/Redhat user)
> 
> Well,
> stability
> security
> non-fragmented (there's only one "distribution")
> central control of distribution (not just the kernel)
> better unification of vision of what said distribution is to be
> unified "make", build entire system with single command
> better performance on same hardware, especially TCP/IP stack
> well over 2000 software package already ported
> good package management
> 12 years of development
> to name a few.
> 
>> --
>>Hampton
> 
>   -crl


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Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Mike Smith]

> At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:
> 
> > I'll say it again; read what has already been said.  Most of us are
> > heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to
> > get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance
> > of the issues involved.
> 
>   I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that 
> Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of.

What, that we have no time for people that can't be bothered to help 
themselves, even when asked to?

You've walked into a contentious issue spewing FUD, patently 
disregarded the suggestion to take a little time to familiarise 
yourself with the history of this issue in our context, and now you 
expect us to feel sorry for you?

Brad; this isn't a kindergarten.  You are addressing the FreeBSD
developer community here, and you are telling us that you think the end
result of a long decision process was a stupid idea.  Do you really
expect that sort of thing to be well received?

You could have started with "I was surprised to find that bpf was 
enabled.  Why was this done?  Where can I read about the decision 
process that resulted in this change?".  Unfortunately, you've 
discovered that there are a lot more of us that there is of you, and 
that we don't suffer abuse at all gently.

The suggestion to go read up on the issue was not meant as a brush-off; 
it was a well-intentioned gesture with the aim of educating you in a 
fashion that doesn't involve some poor bastard like me re-typing every 
salient point that was made during the whole process.  Please do us the 
courtesy of informing yourself to the best possible extent so that we 
can communicate meaningfully and usefully with you.

As you say, this isn't Linux.  We don't have a history of mailing lists 
and newsgroups filled with whining newbies that have driven the 
developers away to other, closed areas, and we plan to keep things that 
way.  If it results in a few slightly bruised noses evey now and then, 
that's a price we've demonstrated we're willing to pay.

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Re: Make buildworld fails

[Bill Fumerola]

On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Marc Veldman wrote:

> I'm still trying to find out what precisely caused this. Any pointers
> are very welcome !

The makefile being newer then your system.

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Re: Make buildworld fails

[Christophe Prevotaux]

Marc Veldman wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Christophe Prevotaux wrote:
> 
> > I get this when trying to make buildworld
> >
> > I installed 3.2-RELEASE CD then did cvsup .
> >
> > BS=-lperl" "INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3"
> > Writing Makefile for DynaLoader
> >  ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <==
> >  ==> Please rerun the make command.  <==
> > false
> >  false:No such file or directory
> >  *** Error code 1
> 
> Is your system time set correctly ?
> 
> I had the exact same problem, and it seems to have something to
> do with the system time. I had the system clock set to UTC,
> but I had not adjusted it. My clock was a few hours ahead, and
> not only my buildworld failed, but also a build of netatalk
> (/usr/ports/net/netatalk-asun). After I set the clock to the
> correct time, everything went perfectly, as usual.
> 
> I'm still trying to find out what precisely caused this. Any pointers
> are very welcome !
> 
> Marc Veldman
> 

Thanks I'll try this 
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Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:

> I'll say it again; read what has already been said.  Most of us are
> heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to
> get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance
> of the issues involved.

I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that 
Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of.

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Re: Make buildworld fails

[Marc Veldman]

On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Christophe Prevotaux wrote:

> I get this when trying to make buildworld 
> 
> I installed 3.2-RELEASE CD then did cvsup .
> 
> BS=-lperl" "INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3"
> Writing Makefile for DynaLoader
>  ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <==
>  ==> Please rerun the make command.  <==
> false
>  false:No such file or directory
>  *** Error code 1

Is your system time set correctly ?

I had the exact same problem, and it seems to have something to
do with the system time. I had the system clock set to UTC,
but I had not adjusted it. My clock was a few hours ahead, and
not only my buildworld failed, but also a build of netatalk
(/usr/ports/net/netatalk-asun). After I set the clock to the
correct time, everything went perfectly, as usual.

I'm still trying to find out what precisely caused this. Any pointers
are very welcome !

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Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:21 PM -0500 1999/9/6, David Scheidt wrote:

> The cvsupfile that is linked from
> http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html is one that properly tracks
> RELENG_3.  You must have done something silly.

Yup.  It wasn't obvious to me that the default supfile would not 
be the same as 
.  I have since learned this lesson, and while I 
can assure you that I will make trillions of mistakes in the future, 
and I'll probably even ultimately forget about this one and make it 
again, I probably won't be making this same mistake again any time 
soon.


Thanks again!

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Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:56 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> Please stop spreading such disinformation. It only comes across as an
> infantile attempt to cover up the fact that you didn't do your
> homework, and it damages the project's reputation as well as your own.

I read the web page.  It was not self-evident to me that the 
supfile that would be created by default was not the same supfile 
that was referenced on the web page.


As to your use of the word "infantile", I'd have to say that this 
says more about your thought processes than mine.

I've been perfectly willing all along to acknowledge my lack of 
experience in this area, which is the entire reason why I came to 
this mailing list to try to get help -- obviously from people other 
than the omniscient types such as yourself that can't be bothered to 
actually be helpful to anyone who has less than your own perfect 
knowledge of every single line of code throughout the entire OS.


I'm more than happy to RTFM (I've written some in my time, and 
I've told more than a few to RTFM myself), if I'm told which section 
of which FM I should R.

I don't usually ask for assistance unless I've checked out 
everything I can think of, and when I do ask questions, I usually try 
to make it abundantly clear what resources I've already used, what 
instructions I've tried to follow, and what problems I'm having.

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Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Alfred Perlstein]

>   Besides, most ethernets are switched these days, making password
> sniffing for anything but connections to or from the machine the sniffer
> is running on completely useless.

Isn't it possible to spoof arp and compromise a switch?

Just wondering.

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Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Dag-Erling Smorgrav]

Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>   Blargh.  I followed the instructions on 
> , but didn't realize 
> that it was going to create a /etc/cvsupfile that had "." for a 
> default tag.  Now I get to reset that to "RELENG_3" (which is what I 
> really wanted in the first place), and start all over again.

More FUD. The supfile referenced in the "Staying Stable with FreeBSD"
section of the handbook contains:

# The following line is for 3-stable.  If you want 2.2-stable, change
# "RELENG_3" to "RELENG_2_2".
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3

Please stop spreading such disinformation. It only comes across as an
infantile attempt to cover up the fact that you didn't do your
homework, and it damages the project's reputation as well as your own.

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Re: softupdates in latest build?

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:41 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:

>   By the time an attacker has enough access rights on
> your system to make use of the packet filter, they have enough access
> rights to add it if it's not there.

That's certainly true.  However, if this feature is disabled by 
default, this throws just one more roadblock in front of some script 
kiddie that might want to break into your system.

It won't stop a determined cracker (nothing will), and it won't 
stop someone with half an ounce of intelligence (they can just 
rebuild the kernel), but if you at least turn this off by default 
then they're forced to rebuild the kernel in order to enable this 
feature, and that would require a reboot.  That might just make the 
system that much more noticable if someone tries to crack into it and 
install a password sniffer, and that much less easy to compromise 
security at that site.

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Re: System lockup

[Joao Pedras]

Does it lockup when you are connected to the internet also ?

Or only when you use Netscape offline ?

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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Huidae Cho wrote:

> Hmm, i use 3.2-19990815-STABLE and i experienced system lockup a few times.
> 
> What's wrong? I suspect a netscape-communicator 'cause whenever system
> 
> locked up, i used netscape.
> 
> Please give me some clue.
> 
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Re: finger changed?

[Ruslan Ermilov]

On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 10:04:08PM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
> Hello,
> I have recently cvsupped 3.2-STABLE and after the make world
> the finger command was working differently...
> When I search for somebody it was not looking at the real name field
> only the username field just like if I was using -m option but the
> searches
> are made case insensitive...
> 
> What is the problem? I have copied the finger binary from 3.2-RELEASE
> and it was working just fine...
> 
> for example in the old one when I search something like
> finger daemon
> then I was getting 2 entries, now when I search for the same thing
> I get only 1 result which was the username daemon
> 
> Evren

A typo was introduced in finger/util.c, rev 1.6 (CURRENT) and
then imported into RELENG_3 branch in rev 1.5.2.1.  The attached
patch fixes the problem and will be committed later today.
Thanks for the report.


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Index: util.c
===
RCS file: /usr/FreeBSD-CVS/src/usr.bin/finger/util.c,v
retrieving revision 1.6
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -r1.6 -r1.7
--- util.c  1999/08/21 18:25:38 1.6
+++ util.c  1999/08/22 17:24:25 1.7
@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@
 * Why do we skip asterisks!?!?
 */
(void)strncpy(p = tbuf, pw->pw_gecos, sizeof(tbuf));
-   p[sizeof(tbuf) - 1] = '\0';
+   tbuf[sizeof(tbuf) - 1] = '\0';
if (*p == '*')
++p;
 
@@ -88,12 +88,13 @@
if ((p = strtok(p, ",")) == NULL)
return(0);
 
-   for (t = name; (*t = *p) != '\0' && t - name > sizeof(name); ++p) {
+   for (t = name; t < &name[sizeof(name) - 1] && (*t = *p) != '\0'; ++p) {
if (*t == '&') { 
(void)strncpy(t, pw->pw_name, 
sizeof(name) - (t - name));
name[sizeof(name) - 1] = '\0';
-   while (*++t);
+   while (t < &name[sizeof(name) - 1] && *++t)
+   continue;
} else {
++t;
}
@@ -352,21 +353,22 @@
 
/* why do we skip asterisks!?!? */
(void)strncpy(bp = tbuf, pw->pw_gecos, sizeof(tbuf));
-   bp[sizeof(tbuf) - 1] = '\0';
+   tbuf[sizeof(tbuf) - 1] = '\0';
if (*bp == '*')
++bp;
 
/* ampersands get replaced by the login name */
if (!(p = strsep(&bp, ",")))
return;
-   for (t = name; (*t = *p) != '\0' && t < name + sizeof(name); ++p) {
+   for (t = name; t < &name[sizeof(name) - 1] && (*t = *p) != '\0'; ++p) {
if (*t == '&') {
(void)strncpy(t, pw->pw_name, 
sizeof(name) - (t - name));
name[sizeof(name) - 1] = '\0';
if (islower(*t))
*t = toupper(*t);
-   while (*++t);
+   while (t < &name[sizeof(name) - 1] && *++t)
+   continue;
} else {
++t;
}

Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable

[Remco Moolenaar]

jack wrote:

> It Works Here[tm] OOTB (setup requires the LD_LIBRARY_PATH set)
> with the following
> -current of about Aug 22nd
> -stable of Aug 26th
> -stable of Sep 2nd
> -stable of Sep 4th
>
> It does not work here with
> -current of Jun 26th (the SNAP CD)
> The program just recalls the setup screen

The reason for this is the recent changes made to the 'Linux mode' module (and 
linux_base libraries from the port). Check http://www.freebsd.org/~marcel for the 
current status on this.

Remco.

PS. Marcel Moolenaar (my brother, if you were wondering), proposed to use the term 
'Linux mode' instead of 'Linux emulator' for obvious reasons.

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Re: strange zsh + screen + CDPATH bug

[Sheldon Hearn]

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:04:58 -0400, Scott Cotton wrote:

> For some strange reason, when $CDPATH has a `~' in it, and screen is
> executed, the arrow keys and control keys don't work.  If you want ~
> in CDPATH, you can replace it by $HOME.

Interesting. :-)

> I hope that I may prevent others from going through all the searching
> it took to nail this one down.

For your efforts to yield the most benefit for other users, you should
submit your findings to the PR database (using send-pr(1)) or perhaps
mail them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] .  They're the
maintainers of the screen and zsh ports, respectively.

Even freebsd-ports would probably be more appropriate than the
freebsd-stable mailing list.

Have fun! :-)

Ciao,
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Re: Kernel fails to compile today...

[Mike Smith]

> > > I noticed the same behavior when I compiled the kernel with apm enabled:
> > > 
> > >device  apm0at isa? flags 0x0020 # STAT-CLOCK BROKEN
> > > 
> > > however, when I define:
> > > 
> > >device apm0at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management
> > > 
> > > everything works fine. I'm using a 3.3-RC SMP-Kernel and with the current 
> > > settings I don't have any idle time displays in top and uptime.
> > 
> > APM and SMP are almost guaranteed not to work correctly.  
> > 
> 
> Yes, I know. All I wanted to have is correct idle time information from
> programs like top, ...
> 
> Therfore I had to mark the STATclock as broken by enabling apm. If there
> are other ways to accomplish this, I would like to hear about it.

Er.  In the example above you say "is broken when APM is enabled, works 
when APM disabled".  This is the result I expect.

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Re: Kernel fails to compile today...

[Lutz Rabing]

> > I noticed the same behavior when I compiled the kernel with apm enabled:
> > 
> >device  apm0at isa? flags 0x0020 # STAT-CLOCK BROKEN
> > 
> > however, when I define:
> > 
> >device apm0at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management
> > 
> > everything works fine. I'm using a 3.3-RC SMP-Kernel and with the current 
> > settings I don't have any idle time displays in top and uptime.
> 
> APM and SMP are almost guaranteed not to work correctly.  
> 

Yes, I know. All I wanted to have is correct idle time information from
programs like top, ...

Therfore I had to mark the STATclock as broken by enabling apm. If there
are other ways to accomplish this, I would like to hear about it.


Lutz
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Re: Kernel fails to compile today...

[Mike Smith]

> I noticed the same behavior when I compiled the kernel with apm enabled:
> 
>device  apm0at isa? flags 0x0020 # STAT-CLOCK BROKEN
> 
> however, when I define:
> 
>device apm0at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management
> 
> everything works fine. I'm using a 3.3-RC SMP-Kernel and with the current 
> settings I don't have any idle time displays in top and uptime.

APM and SMP are almost guaranteed not to work correctly.  

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Re: ASUS p2b-ds

[Koen Schreel]

Greg Lynn wrote:
> 
> I know that question has been around before but
> I was thinking about getting a asus p2b-ds with
> ecc memory and 2 pii 350mhz cpus and I was
> wondering how kernel 3.2 does with smp?  

I run a P2B-DS with 2 PII-350's (bios 1008). Nice motherboard, but I
don't know about ECC. The only thing you have to keep in mind, is that
some linux programs do not run under FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE-SMP. Especially
wine fails. You'll have to wait for 4.0 to have that fixed.

> Is there
> tweaks you can perform to the kernel? 

I have 

device  apm0at isa? flags 0x20 

instead of the standard

device apm0at isa? disable flags 0x31 

to fix/avoid some timer problems which result in a wrong behaviour of
`top' and others. It could be that bios 1009 fixes this. It has
something to do with the Y2K compliance. I you are about to buy a new
MB, it will almost certainly have bios 1009 or even 1010.

> Also, is the
> adaptec-7890 chipset on this board supported well
> with CAM in the 3.2 kernel?

Yes, never had any problems. Only in the early days of 3.0-CURRENT I've
had a minor performance issue. I recently installed a machine with a
P2B-S motherboard and a Quantum atlas 9 Gb disk. The output of `bonnie'
showed numbers above 20Mb/s.

Koen.

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