Re: Parallel port in GENERIC (Was FreeBSD 3.4 and printing)
>> The GENERIC kernel ought to print from the parallel port out of the box. >> Networking with the parallel port bus (for zip dirves?) ought to take >> second place. > >GENERIC is the kernel used for installation. PLIP is one of the >installation media. Therefore, GENERIC needs to configure the parallel >port with mask net. It's fine that GENERIC is used for installation. But, GENERIC is supposed to be for "generic" use, in which more people are expected to use the parallel port for printing than for PLIP. I would suggest the parallel port should be configured with the "tty" mask in GENERIC. The kernel for the install floppy can change it to the "net" mask; the kernel configuration file for the install floppy is generated from GENERIC by modifying bits and pieces anyway. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Reading CVS messages.. how to tell if affects stable?
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:38 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Francisco Reyes" writes: >: I don't see how one can tell if a change will require a user to >: do any kind of change for his/her Stable system to compile with >: the latest sources. Have I missed something? > >Look for the string RELENG_3 in the first little bit of the commit >message. that will tell you that something has changed on the -stable >branch. That worked. Seems like not many messages apply to the stable branch when compared to the number of messages in cvs-all. >Judging whether or not if this will impact your ability to rebuild >your system is much harder. In particular the messages in cvs-all are not very informative. I guess I could go to the web and see what the change was. >The UPDATING file will soon have new maintainers in -stable and when Who will this be? I just ordered a (old/cheap) computer so I could do daily Makeworlds on stable with the purpose of helping out with the UPDATING file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Parallel port in GENERIC (Was FreeBSD 3.4 and printing)
Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: > > It's fine that GENERIC is used for installation. But, GENERIC is > supposed to be for "generic" use, in which more people are expected to > use the parallel port for printing than for PLIP. > > I would suggest the parallel port should be configured with the "tty" > mask in GENERIC. The kernel for the install floppy can change it to > the "net" mask; the kernel configuration file for the install floppy > is generated from GENERIC by modifying bits and pieces anyway. Go talk to the Release Engineer. I don't make this kind of decisions. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Buildworld fails 20000212
The addition of a manpage for games/wargames seems to be broken for stable. Current is okay though. Here is the error message. make: don't know how to make wargames.6. Stop cvsup today feb 12th 2000 ~17:00 GMT ian j hart To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Popper
At 8:42 PM +0200 2000/2/10, Yiorgos Adamopoulos wrote: > You can use UW-IMAPD which comes with an IMAP and a POP3 server (imapd and > ipop3d). If you want better performance than that of using the standard unix > mbox format, then you should convert to the mbx format. Where would one find out information regarding the differences between mbox format, mbx format, MH format, and Maildir format? I've heard of three of these (mbx is new to me), and I think I'm familiar enough with at least two of them, but I'm curious. In particular, I'm interested in finding out more about performance of the various formats, and what kind of evidence there is to back those claims up. Thanks! -- These are my opinions and should not be taken as official Skynet policy _ |o| Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/726.93.11 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Popper
At 7:57 AM -1000 2000/2/10, Clifton Royston wrote: > What rev of qpopper do you use? The version we're using has serious > performance problems on large mail spools, which seem to be inherent in > its algorithm design. Try using one of the three supported mailbox hashing schemes that are shared between QPopper & procmail. -- These are my opinions and should not be taken as official Skynet policy _ |o| Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/726.93.11 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Popper
At 07:17 PM 2/12/00 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: >At 8:42 PM +0200 2000/2/10, Yiorgos Adamopoulos wrote: > >> You can use UW-IMAPD which comes with an IMAP and a POP3 server (imapd and >> ipop3d). If you want better performance than that of using the >> standard unix >> mbox format, then you should convert to the mbx format. > > Where would one find out information regarding the differences > between mbox format, mbx format, MH format, and Maildir format? I've > heard of three of these (mbx is new to me), and I think I'm familiar > enough with at least two of them, but I'm curious. > > In particular, I'm interested in finding out more about > performance of the various formats, and what kind of evidence there is to > back those claims up. > > > Thanks! >|o| Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| mbox is probably the most popular, but not reliable. (one huge contiguous file for messages for a user). not sure on the others... Maildir is probably the most reliable and least popular. Every email message is broken into a file. http://www.qmail.org/man/misc/INSTALL.maildir.txt One big disadvantage with Maildir is since every message is a file, it takes up at least one inode. However, since harddrives are pretty cheap nowadays, I do not see this as a big deal at all. Another disadvantage is the "lack of support." So you are restricted in the pop3 you can use and the imapd you can use since you need one that understands Maildirs. There is some movements for support in these areas though. www.qmail.org -Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Parallel port in GENERIC (Was FreeBSD 3.4 and printing)
I really don't like special-casing this for the installation. There's got to be a more technically correct solution for this and I urge you guys to pursue it. :) - Jordan > Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: > > > > It's fine that GENERIC is used for installation. But, GENERIC is > > supposed to be for "generic" use, in which more people are expected to > > use the parallel port for printing than for PLIP. > > > > I would suggest the parallel port should be configured with the "tty" > > mask in GENERIC. The kernel for the install floppy can change it to > > the "net" mask; the kernel configuration file for the install floppy > > is generated from GENERIC by modifying bits and pieces anyway. > > Go talk to the Release Engineer. I don't make this kind of decisions. > > -- > Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Parallel port in GENERIC (Was FreeBSD 3.4 and printing)
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > I really don't like special-casing this for the installation. > There's got to be a more technically correct solution for this > and I urge you guys to pursue it. :) Jordan, might I remind you that this is a volunteer project, and nobody with the right skills and appropriate knowledge seems to be concerned enough to spend hours working out a fix for a problem that can be solved changing a "net" to a "tty" on the kernel configuration file? Might I then point out that not being able to print out-of-the-box is a major violation of the POLA, and has direct impact on FreeBSD's reputation? No? Oh, well, I tried. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Popper
On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Carroll Kong wrote: > At 07:17 PM 2/12/00 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > >At 8:42 PM +0200 2000/2/10, Yiorgos Adamopoulos wrote: > > > >> You can use UW-IMAPD which comes with an IMAP and a POP3 server (imapd and > >> ipop3d). If you want better performance than that of using the > >> standard unix > >> mbox format, then you should convert to the mbx format. > > > > Where would one find out information regarding the differences > > between mbox format, mbx format, MH format, and Maildir format? I've > > heard of three of these (mbx is new to me), and I think I'm familiar > > enough with at least two of them, but I'm curious. > > > > In particular, I'm interested in finding out more about > > performance of the various formats, and what kind of evidence there is to > > back those claims up. > > > > > > Thanks! > >|o| Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| > > mbox is probably the most popular, but not reliable. (one huge contiguous > file for messages for a user). > not sure on the others... mbx is an indexed form of mbox. It is quite quick. The biggest problem with mbox is that the entire mailbox needs to be read to find the message boundaries. mbx doesn't have that problem because it is indexed. > Maildir is probably the most reliable and least popular. Every email > message is broken into a file. > http://www.qmail.org/man/misc/INSTALL.maildir.txt > > One big disadvantage with Maildir is since every message is a file, it > takes up at least one inode. However, since harddrives are pretty cheap > nowadays, I do not see this as a big deal at all. Another disadvantage is > the "lack of support." So you are restricted in the pop3 you can use and > the imapd you can use since you need one that understands Maildirs. There > is some movements for support in these areas though. Other maildir issues: - Each message is rounded up to the nearest 1K (usual fragment size). Again hard drive space is cheap. - Opening a maildir mailbox with lots of messages takes time because each file/message will have to opened > -Carroll Kong > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > Tom Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Parallel port in GENERIC (Was FreeBSD 3.4 and printing)
> Jordan, might I remind you that this is a volunteer project, and nobody > with the right skills and appropriate knowledge seems to be concerned > enough to spend hours working out a fix for a problem that can be solved > changing a "net" to a "tty" on the kernel configuration file? Might I > then point out that not being able to print out-of-the-box is a major > violation of the POLA, and has direct impact on FreeBSD's reputation? None of this has anything to do with doing things right vs hacking out quick fixes, however, and it's not work I'm trying to avoid so much as quick fixes to problems which really point up an underlying issue somewhere else and need to be fixed at the source. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Parallel port in GENERIC (Was FreeBSD 3.4 and printing)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, eirvine wrote: > > > The GENERIC kernel ought to print from the parallel port out of the box. > > Networking with the parallel port bus (for zip dirves?) ought to take > > second place. > What is needed is a *comment* in GENERIC telling users to change net to tty if they want to use their printers. Adding a comment to this effect would hurt nobody, require very little effort, and would save very, very many people a lot of heart-ache and time. I sent a PR with this suggestion, but so far it seems not to have been followed. Please, please add a comment in GENERIC, sufficiently near the lines. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 307 Math Science Building [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Mathematics [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Missouri-Columbia Columbia, MO 65211 USA Phone (573) 882 4540 Fax (573) 882 1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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