camcontrol / devd / USB plug/unplug crashes 5.4-RELEASE

2005-05-17 Thread Juho Vuori
This is not quite predictable, but this has happened to me few times
every day for about a week now, so I think it's worth reporting. I can
also easily reproduce this in less than one minute as well, if you need
more information.
On 5.4-RELEASE: Take an USB memory, plug it into your system, wait until
information gets written on console about it, then run camcontrol
devlist, then unplug the device. Repeat for a few times and at
some point the system crashes.
I think that possibly devd is required for this to happen as well, as I
once tried to reproduce this in single user mode without success.
The crash happens in a bit different situations, but here is an
incomplete stack trace of my latest crash: (I'm writing these on piece
of paper, and I'm lazy, so please tell, if more info is necessary, and
I'll crash my system again)
fault code: supervisor read, page not present
pid 640(camcontrol) tid 100071, td 0xc1d22190
strncpy (d18da9bc, d6, 10) at strncpy+0x14
xptedtbusfunuc
xptbustraverse
xptedtmatch
xpt_action
xptioctl
spec_ioctl
spec_vnoperate
vn_ioctl
ioctl
syscall
Xint0x80_syscall
I haven't tried other devices than USB memories, and I've only tested
this on 5.4.
Juho

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 05:58:04PM -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote:
>This smells like a "joe job", a forged posting intended as flamebait.

That was my first impression but if it's a forgery, it's much better
than the run-of-the-mill forgeries around:  All the headers tally and
suggest it was posted from hub - which means that it's either genuine
or an inside job.

[I also get called by my surname but haven't quite reached the level of
 aggravation suggested by the initial posting].

Peter
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Strange make buildworld behaviour with 5.4-RELEASE ( amd64 )

2005-05-17 Thread Steven Hartland
Didnt get through the first time so resending :)
Doing a make buildworld from a directory other than /usr/src
results in the following:
[log]
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libl.a -> 
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln.a
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libfl.a -> 
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln.a
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libl_p.a -> 
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln_p.a
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libfl_p.a -> 
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln_p.a
===> usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap
Warning: Object directory not changed from original 
/.usr/amd64/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap
make: don't know how to make /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/stdio.h. Stop
*** Error code 2
Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
[/log]
My /usr is a symlink to /.usr/amd64/ which shouldnt cause any
issues but buildworld get most upset. I first thought it was bad
source set but booting to single user and moving things around
so /usr is a real dir with the contents of /.usr/amd64 in works
just fine. Anyone got any ideas why and how to fix?
   Steve

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Tuomo Latto
Bill Paul wrote:
You see what is says? It says "Bill Paul." It does *NOT*
say "Paul Bill," does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!
Couldn't you just change your name?
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Re: Strange make buildworld behaviour with 5.4-RELEASE ( amd64 )

2005-05-17 Thread Tuomo Latto
Steven Hartland wrote:
Didnt get through the first time so resending :)
You did get through to me, at least. (stable)
Apparently you didn't get Kris Kennaway's answer either?
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Miguel Saturnino
On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 20:39 +, Bill Paul wrote:
> Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
> five minutes and READ THIS!!
> 
> You see that header on this e-mail? You see the "From:" line? Go and
> read it to yourself. Read the name. Say it to yourself, out loud.
> 
> No no, go back and do it again.
> 
> Again!
> 
> You see what is says? It says "Bill Paul." It does *NOT*
> say "Paul Bill," does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!
> 
> No, it damn well doesn't! And yet, for some incomprehensible reason.
> the majority of you nitwits seem to think it does!!
> 
> Get this through your miserable little heads: my first name is BILL!!!
> Understand that? Bill! BEE EYE ELL ELL!!!
> 
>   _   ___   _ 
>  |  _ \  |_   _| | |  | |  | | | |
>  | |_) |   | |   | |  | |  | | | |
>  |  _ <| |   | |  | |  | | | |
>  | |_) |  _| |_  | |  | |  |_| |_|
>  |/  |_| |__| |__| (_) (_)
> 
> 
> I can carve it into your skull with a rusty railroad spike if that
> would make it easier to remember!
> 
> Do **NOT*** send me e-mails opening with
> "Dear Paul!" That is _NOT_ my name! I don't care if you don't speak
> english as a first language, are distracted, tired, confused, retarded
> or the President of the United States: if you can't manage to scrape
> together enough neurons to correctly choose which one of two lousy
> syllables to use when addressing me, then I would rather never hear
> from you at all!!
> 
> I am not kidding around here! I've been beating my brains out for
> you rotten bastards for ten lousy years, and after all that time
> I expect you to at least do me the courtesty of GETTING MY STUPID
> NAME RIGHT!
> 
> This crap has been going on for years. It ends now. Anybody who's
> dumb enough to send me an e-mail addressed to "Paul" instead of "Bill"
> will be permanently banned from my inbox. I don't care if you're on
> fire and need me to put you out: you will become persona non grata
> and you will stay that way. Furthermore, anybody who screws up and
> gets my name wrong in person will quickly find themselves beaten, 
> ground into a fine powder and sprinkled over Richard Stallman's
> oatmeal!!!
> 
> And no, I don't want to hear your lousy comments on the matter!
> Don't follow up!! Don't reply!! Just nod quietly and DON'T MAKE THIS
> MISTAKE AGAIN
> 
> -Bill   < SEE!!! LOOK!!! IT'S RIGHT THERE! IDIOTS!

Bill Paul,

Your surname, family name, last name, or whatever it is called, *is
still your name*. If you don't like it, change it, or at least remove it
from you e-mail address. Meanwhile, don't be offended if someone makes
use of it.

Regards,
Miguel

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Re: DEVFS Overflow table

2005-05-17 Thread Thomas Beer
> 
> Yes, but how is your system configured? A boot log doesn't show us
> this.

Kris,

thanks for your patience! What do you need? Kernel config,
boot.loader, etc?

Cheers Tom
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Re: Strange make buildworld behaviour with 5.4-RELEASE ( amd64 )

2005-05-17 Thread Steven Hartland
From: "Tuomo Latto" 
You did get through to me, at least. (stable)
Apparently you didn't get Kris Kennaway's answer either?
Nope didnt see that, just looked it up on the webarchive thanks Toumo.
Kris wrote:
You need to make sure you don't have stale object files (the pathnames
are recorded), so try removing /usr/obj/ and then running 'make
cleandir' from your source tree.
Already tried that no joy Im afraid:
/usr -> /.usr/amd64
rm -rf /usr/obj
make cleandir
make cleandir ( just incase )
make buildworld
*failed*
/usr -> /.usr/amd64
rm -rf /usr/obj
make cleanworld
make buildworld
*failed*
/usr (real)
rm -rf /usr/obj
make cleandir
make buildworld
*completed*
There appears to be something most odd going on as soon as
/usr is symlink else where.
I've just moved /usr/src to /usr/src_amd64 and am reruning a build:
rm -rf /usr/obj
make cleandir
make buildworld
Will let you know how that turns out. Will prove the problem is not
with the source being else where if it works.
   Steve


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Re: DEVFS Overflow table

2005-05-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 12:44:37PM +0200, Thomas Beer wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, but how is your system configured? A boot log doesn't show us
> > this.
> 
> Kris,
> 
> thanks for your patience! What do you need? Kernel config,
> boot.loader, etc?

You claim the problem is related to PPP, so your appropriately edited
ppp configuration.  This way someone else can drop that in and try to
replicate the problem.

Kris



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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
On May 16, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Chris wrote:
> Dear Paul ...

I thought the canonical form was "Dear John"...

Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No no no.  The walrus was Paul.

Goo goo g'joob!

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You have my symphaty, no-one ever gets Wilko right.  And it is dead
> simple derivative of Willem Coenraad.  Wilko.  Not Wilco.  Right?

Roger, wilco.

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pkg question...

2005-05-17 Thread Yann Golanski
Is there a way to remove a package and the dependencies that only said
package uses?  

For example, I have package A which depends on B, C and D.  Furthermore,
I have package E depends on C.  I want to get ride of package A in such
a way as packages B and D get deleted too but not package C.   

Can this be done at all?  

I've looked at portsclean and libchk but neither really suits what I
want.  Unless I have mis-read something. 

Thanks.

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Re: Strange make buildworld behaviour with 5.4-RELEASE ( amd64 )

2005-05-17 Thread Steven Hartland
- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Hartland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've just moved /usr/src to /usr/src_amd64 and am reruning a build:
rm -rf /usr/obj
make cleandir
make buildworld
Will let you know how that turns out. Will prove the problem is not
with the source being else where if it works.
Ok this also fails in the same way
[log]
...
/usr/obj/usr/src_amd64/lib32/usr/lib32/libl_p.a -> 
/usr/obj/usr/src_amd64/lib32/usr/lib32/libln_p.a
/usr/obj/usr/src_amd64/lib32/usr/lib32/libfl_p.a -> 
/usr/obj/usr/src_amd64/lib32/usr/lib32/libln_p.a
===> usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap
Warning: Object directory not changed from original 
/usr/src_amd64/usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap
make: don't know how to make /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/stdio.h. Stop
*** Error code 2
[/log]
Clearly /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/stdio.h doesn't exist it I would 
have thought
this should be:
/usr/obj/usr/src_amd64/lib32/usr/include/stdio.h
I think I found the problem though in usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap there is a file 
.depend
ls -l ./usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap/.depend
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  921 May  8 06:46 ./usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap/.depend
which has:
[file=.depend]
# -DKEYCAP_PATH="/usr/share/misc/keycap.pcvt" keycap.c
keycap.o keycap.po keycap.So: keycap.c 
/usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/stdio.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/cdefs.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/_null.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/_types.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/machine/_types.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/ctype.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/_ctype.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/runetype.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/unistd.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/types.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/machine/endian.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/select.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/_sigset.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/_timeval.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/timespec.h \
 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/sys/unistd.h keycap.h
[/file]
I'd be willing to take a guess that this is whats breaking things but dont
know how to best go about fixing it. Just delete it would be my guess
but why is it there? Shouldn't it have been deleted by make cleandir or
make cleanworld?
Im running another buildworld to test with the file deleted.
   Steve


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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi Joseph,
Kövesdán Gábor wrote:
Dear Bill and everyone,
just a little comment: as far as I know there are two countries where 
the first name and the family name is used in different order, and these 
two countries are Japan and Hungary. I'm Hungarian thus my name often 
They are not allone. China also does it and the 'official' Germany, but 
it is not commonly used.

Erich
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Re: pkg question...

2005-05-17 Thread Graham Menhennitt
Yann Golanski wrote:
Is there a way to remove a package and the dependencies that only said
package uses?
 

ports -> sysutils/pkg_rmleaves
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Chuck Swiger
Peter Jeremy wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 05:58:04PM -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote:
This smells like a "joe job", a forged posting intended as flamebait.
That was my first impression but if it's a forgery, it's much better
than the run-of-the-mill forgeries around:  All the headers tally and
suggest it was posted from hub - which means that it's either genuine
or an inside job.
Oh, it was a fine rant, either way-- a first-class job, even.  :-)
I wasn't motivated enough to compare the headers versus other postings, or to 
check whether the IP that claimed to be "hub.freebsd.org" actually is-- if you 
control reverse DNS for some netblock, you can make any box claim to be a 
certain hostname.

[I also get called by my surname but haven't quite reached the level of
 aggravation suggested by the initial posting].
Seriously, if you received a message saying "Dear Jeremy", would you:
(a) not really care,
(b) be annoyed, and tell the guy, "call me Ishmael", or some such [1], or
(c) cross-post flamebait between freebsd-current and -stable...?
--
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[1]: "Who are you?"  "No one of consequence..."
Sorry, I'm too sober to remember any AoD quotes, and my RealJob(tm) has a rule 
that says that we shouldn't drink before lunch.
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Nguyen Tam Chinh
On Tue, 17 May 2005, Chuck Swiger wrote:
Peter Jeremy wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 05:58:04PM -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote:
This smells like a "joe job", a forged posting intended as flamebait.
That was my first impression but if it's a forgery, it's much better
than the run-of-the-mill forgeries around:  All the headers tally and
suggest it was posted from hub - which means that it's either genuine
or an inside job.
Oh, it was a fine rant, either way-- a first-class job, even.  :-)
I wasn't motivated enough to compare the headers versus other postings, or to 
check whether the IP that claimed to be "hub.freebsd.org" actually is-- if 
you control reverse DNS for some netblock, you can make any box claim to be a 
certain hostname.

[I also get called by my surname but haven't quite reached the level of
 aggravation suggested by the initial posting].
Seriously, if you received a message saying "Dear Jeremy", would you:
(a) not really care,
(b) be annoyed, and tell the guy, "call me Ishmael", or some such [1], or
(c) cross-post flamebait between freebsd-current and -stable...?
I just not really care about it. "Dear Nguyen" or "Dear Chinh" make no 
difference. The most important is the word "DEAR"! :) Please take it easy.

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Nguyen Tam Chinh|  http://www.FreeBSD.org
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Build errors on 4.11 in docs with pdf and/or html

2005-05-17 Thread Bill Vermillion
I had gotten busy and had not done a new buildworld since January.

I had a failure in buildworld, and the next day [I do nightly
cvsup's], I did a make clean and got the same problem.

So I did the logical thing, I removed the entire /usr/src and
/usr/obj and re-cvsuped.

I again got errors.

Here is that error. [everthing deleted except the final section]


--
>>> stage 4: building everything..
--
cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj  MACHINE_ARCH=i386  MACHINE=i386  
OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec  
GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin  
GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font  
GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac  
DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386  INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh"  
PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
 make -f Makefile.inc1 all
===> share/info
===> include
===> include/arpa
===> include/protocols
===> include/rpc
===> include/rpcsvc
===> lib
===> lib/csu/i386-elf
===> lib/libcom_err
gzip -cn /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/../../contrib/com_err/com_err.3 > com_err.3.gz
===> lib/libcom_err/doc
make: don't know how to make com_err.pdf. Stop
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
  846.18 real   540.36 user   207.16 sys



I remember at one time I had a problem building docs with the PDF
option turned on in make.conf.  So I checked and I had
FORMATS=pdf html  in /etc/make.conf.

Ah ha!  So I changed that to be FORMATS=html and rebuild again.

This is the error of that output - again just stage 4 onward.


--
>>> stage 4: building everything..
--
cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj  MACHINE_ARCH=i386  MACHINE=i386  
OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec  
GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin  
GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font  
GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac  
DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386  INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh"  
PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
 make -f Makefile.inc1 all
===> share/info
===> include
===> include/arpa
===> include/protocols
===> include/rpc
===> include/rpcsvc
===> lib
===> lib/csu/i386-elf
===> lib/libcom_err
gzip -cn /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/../../contrib/com_err/com_err.3 > com_err.3.gz
===> lib/libcom_err/doc
makeinfo --no-split -I /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc -I 
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc/com_err.texinfo  -o 
com_err.info
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc/com_err.texinfo:377: warning: unlikely character ( 
in @var.
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc/com_err.texinfo:377: warning: unlikely character ) 
in @var.
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc/com_err.texinfo:384: warning: unlikely character ( 
in @var.
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc/com_err.texinfo:384: warning: unlikely character ) 
in @var.
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc/com_err.texinfo:577: warning: unlikely character ( 
in @var.
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc/com_err.texinfo:577: warning: unlikely character ) 
in @var.
info2html com_err.info
info2html:No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
  854.38 real   534.98 user   203.54 sys



Hm.  It won't build with FOMMATS=html either.

I've used that line in my /etc/make.conf for a long time.
I do not recall I've ever had this problem before.

I commented the FORMATS line out completey in /etc/make.conf
and now everything builds correctly.

I wish I had built more often but that's how this year has been so
far.  So the last build I did where everything worked in the past
was on January 29 at 21:22 EST.

Is there something else I may have changed that caused this, or
has the behaviour changed in the past 4 months.

Bill

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 

You have my symphaty, no-one ever gets Wilko right.  And it is dead
simple derivative of Willem Coenraad.  Wilko.  Not Wilco.  Right?
   

Roger, wilco.
DES
 

Well make up you mind, roger or wilco, not both of them, jezz no wonder 
that modern communication only confuses if nobody uses the same 
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Re: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-17 Thread Brent Casavant
On Tue, 17 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 06:40:01 -0600
> From: "Elliot Finley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?
> To: 
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> This has been happening since 5.3-R, I've been tuning different parameters
> to no avail.  I've taken the disks off of the onboard ICH5 controller and
> put them a promise TX4 S150 controller, but still the same thing happens.
> 
> The system freezes, but isn't totally dead.  It'll still respond to pings,
> the screensaver still functions, but it won't respond to a CAD at the
> console.  But if I press 'Enter' at the console, it'll give me a 'login:'
> prompt, but after entering the username, it never comes back with the
> 'password:' prompt.
> 
> After manually resetting the system it boots and says 'Automatic file system
> check failed; help!' and drops into single user mode.  Running fsck manually
> corrects errors on all volumes.  Then it'll boot from that point.
> 
> This seems to be triggered by daily periodic as it happens at 3:02-3:03AM
> each time.  But it doesn't happen *every* morning.
> 
> I suspect a bug in FreeBSD because this mode of failure happens on 3
> different machines, all configured similarly.

You can add a fourth.  Ever since 5.1 (my first 5.x install) I have
experienced the same problem, again with an Intel ICH5 ATA controller.
The symptoms are exactly the same -- the hang is normally triggered
during the periodic runs just after 3AM.  The hang does occur at other
times as well, but with nowhere near the same consistency.

The only solution I found at that time was reverting to 4.10, though
that is obviously suboptimal.  I could be persuaded to reinstall 5.x
on the machine if I'd be sure to get someone to look into this.

Thanks,
Brent Casavant

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Re: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-17 Thread Dominic Marks
On Tuesday 17 May 2005 15:58, Brent Casavant wrote:

>
> You can add a fourth.  Ever since 5.1 (my first 5.x install) I have
> experienced the same problem, again with an Intel ICH5 ATA controller.
> The symptoms are exactly the same -- the hang is normally triggered
> during the periodic runs just after 3AM.  The hang does occur at other
> times as well, but with nowhere near the same consistency.

I've got four machines with ICH5/6 chips in, no stability problems whatsoever, 
and thats been the case since I installed them, around 5.2.1. Perhaps it is 
something to do with your workload, or another piece of hardware in the 
system. The machines do a lot of disc i/o so during their working days.

> The only solution I found at that time was reverting to 4.10, though
> that is obviously suboptimal.  I could be persuaded to reinstall 5.x
> on the machine if I'd be sure to get someone to look into this.
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Casavant

HTH,
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Re: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-17 Thread Brent Casavant
On Tue, 17 May 2005, Dominic Marks wrote:

> I've got four machines with ICH5/6 chips in, no stability problems 
> whatsoever, 
> and thats been the case since I installed them, around 5.2.1. Perhaps it is 
> something to do with your workload, or another piece of hardware in the 
> system. The machines do a lot of disc i/o so during their working days.

Not so much so in this case.  It was being used only as a workstation,
completely idle when I wasn't sitting in front of it.  While it would
occasionally lock up while in active use, that was relatively rare
compared to the frequent hangs just after 3AM.

I do agree it could be some other piece of hardware, but the fact that
at least two of us have identical problems, often triggered by the same
event (nightly periodic runs), starts to point in the direction of a
software bug.

I can't say for certain that downgrading to 4.x solved the problem as I
needed to do that install on a SCSI drive instead, in order to preserve
the contents of the filesystem on the ATA drive until I could transfer
everything over.

If I remember correctly (forgive me, this was about a year ago), I
ran a number of disk performance benchmarks and other general stress
tests on the ATA drive, and never was able to manually trigger the
hang.

Anecdotally, a friend of mine who recently tried 5.3 ran into frequent
filesystem/drive problems as well, which reverting to 4.x solved.
However it didn't sound like exactly the same problem.

Brent

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CUPDS reboot the whole system

2005-05-17 Thread Todor Dragnev
Hello,

Before a couple of days ago I started /usr/local/sbin/cupsd manualy from
console. When I press CTRL+C to interrupt a program, the system change
runlevel and going to reboot. This was on FreeBSD V5.3, today I
installed fresh new 5.4 but the problem is the same.

cups-base-1.1.23.0_3

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Re: CUPDS reboot the whole system

2005-05-17 Thread Scott Robbins
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On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 01:59:09PM +0300, Todor Dragnev wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Before a couple of days ago I started /usr/local/sbin/cupsd manualy from
> console. When I press CTRL+C to interrupt a program, the system change
> runlevel and going to reboot. This was on FreeBSD V5.3, today I
> installed fresh new 5.4 but the problem is the same.
> 
> cups-base-1.1.23.0_3
 
I've never had that problem with CUPS.  However, I always start and stop
it from the script it installs in /usr/local/etc/rc.d.  (It installs
cups.sh.sample, I believe, you have to rename it, then it can be started
with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cups.sh start |stop| restart. Also, I believe
you have to type the full path to the shell, regardless of where you are
on the system, but I haven't tested that in a long time.)

HTH

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Re: Strange make buildworld behaviour with 5.4-RELEASE ( amd64 )

2005-05-17 Thread Steven Hartland
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From: "Steven Hartland"

I'd be willing to take a guess that this is whats breaking things but dont
know how to best go about fixing it. Just delete it would be my guess
but why is it there? Shouldn't it have been deleted by make cleandir or
make cleanworld?
Im running another buildworld to test with the file deleted.
Yep that's the puppy. Looks like there is a Makefile bug which is leaving
this one .depend:
cd /usr/src_amd64
make cleandir

rm -f freebsd.cf freebsd.submit.cf
find . -name \*.depend
./usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap/.depend
I added pcvt into the relevant place in usr.sbin/Makefile which fixes
make cleandir but it then breaks the buildworld.
It looks like pvct/keycap is being force built by tools/make_libdeps.sh
but hence when make cleandir's is run its not cleaned. Also tried altering
Makefile.inc1 to set pcvt/keycap as a member of _generic_libs but that
doesn't work either. I don't know what else to try.
   Steve

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5.4-RC3 crash report

2005-05-17 Thread Cedric Tabary
Hello,

I had a crash on Dell PowerEdge 1850 running apache 1.3 + lighttpd
Traffic on em0 is about 50 mbps

FreeBSD 5.4-RC3 i386, no SMP compiled in kernel
dmesg atached

Kernel is GENERIC with following custom settings :

cpu I686_CPU
maxusers512
options PERFMON
options HZ=2000
options DEVICE_POLLING
#optionsINET6 <<== no IPv6
options IPFILTER
options IPFILTER_LOG#ipfilter logging
options IPSTEALTH   #support for stealth forwarding
options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN #drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN
options ZERO_COPY_SOCKETS

sysctl.conf :

security.bsd.see_other_uids=0
kern.polling.enable=1
kern.maxfiles=262144
kern.maxfilesperproc=131072
net.inet.ip.redirect=0
net.inet.icmp.drop_redirect=1
net.inet.icmp.log_redirect=1
net.inet.ip.forwarding=1
net.isr.enable=1
kern.ipc.somaxconn=2048
net.inet.icmp.icmplim=5000
kern.random.sys.harvest.ethernet=0
kern.random.sys.harvest.interrupt=0
kern.ipc.nmbclusters=262144


Backtrace :

kgdb /boot/kernel/kernel vmcore.0

#0  0xc067114e in doadump ()
#1  0xc06717e6 in boot ()
#2  0xc0671aed in panic ()
#3  0xc0838623 in trap_fatal ()
#4  0xc0838346 in trap_pfault ()
#5  0xc0837f2f in trap ()
#6  0xc08266fa in calltrap ()
#7  0xe6240018 in ?? ()
#8  0x0010 in ?? ()
#9  0x0010 in ?? ()
#10 0x0001 in ?? ()
#11 0x in ?? ()
#12 0xe62439ac in ?? ()
#13 0xe6243980 in ?? ()
#14 0x31ed in ?? ()
#15 0xc6a11ca8 in ?? ()
#16 0x0fae in ?? ()
#17 0x in ?? ()
#18 0x000c in ?? ()
#19 0x in ?? ()
#20 0xc06ac8b0 in m_copydata ()
#21 0xc071b5c9 in tcp_output ()
#22 0xc0718d29 in tcp_input ()
#23 0xc070ffb5 in ip_input ()
#24 0xc06f4cf3 in netisr_dispatch ()
#25 0xc06ec682 in ether_demux ()
#26 0xc06ec3d6 in ether_input ()
#27 0xc052394e in em_process_receive_interrupts ()
#28 0xc05201b5 in em_poll_locked ()
#29 0xc0520255 in em_poll ()
#30 0xc064e818 in netisr_poll ()
#31 0xc06f4e7d in swi_net ()
#32 0xc065a21d in ithread_loop ()
#33 0xc0659246 in fork_exit ()
#34 0xc082675c in fork_trampoline ()

A apologize il this is a bug and if it was corrected between 5.4-RC3
and 5.4-RELEASE... I am updating now...

Cédric
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Re: CUPDS reboot the whole system

2005-05-17 Thread Kövesdán Gábor
Try this:
nohup /usr/local/sbin/cupsd & >/dev/null
The nohup cmd executes the parameter and it will be still running if You
log off. The & sign means that the command should run in the background,
and >/dev/null redirects the stdout of cupsd to dev/null. I often use
that way and it is fine for me.
Todor Dragnev wrote:
Hello,
Before a couple of days ago I started /usr/local/sbin/cupsd manualy from
console. When I press CTRL+C to interrupt a program, the system change
runlevel and going to reboot. This was on FreeBSD V5.3, today I
installed fresh new 5.4 but the problem is the same.
cups-base-1.1.23.0_3
 


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Re: 5.4-RC3 crash report

2005-05-17 Thread Cedric Tabary
On 17/05/2005 17:54, Cedric Tabary wrote:
> FreeBSD 5.4-RC3 i386, no SMP compiled in kernel
> dmesg atached

Oops forgot the dmesg ;)

Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.4-RC3 #1: Thu Apr 21 10:01:03 CEST 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CED
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz (2793.01-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0xf41  Stepping = 1
  
Features=0xbfebfbff
  Hyperthreading: 2 logical CPUs
real memory  = 1073479680 (1023 MB)
avail memory = 1040789504 (992 MB)
ACPI APIC Table: 
ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2
ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 3
ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24
ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 4
ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56
ioapic0  irqs 0-23 on motherboard
ioapic1  irqs 32-55 on motherboard
ioapic2  irqs 64-87 on motherboard
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
acpi0:  on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0
cpu0:  on acpi0
pcib0:  port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0:  on pcib0
pcib1:  at device 2.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
pcib2:  at device 0.0 on pci1
pci2:  on pcib2
amr0:  mem 0xdfee-0xdfef,0xd80f-0xd80f 
irq 46 at device 14.0 on pci2
amr0:  Firmware 513O, BIOS H418, 256MB RAM
pcib3:  at device 0.2 on pci1
pci3:  on pcib3
pcib4:  at device 4.0 on pci0
pci4:  on pcib4
pcib5:  at device 5.0 on pci0
pci5:  on pcib5
pcib6:  at device 0.0 on pci5
pci6:  on pcib6
em0:  port 
0xecc0-0xecff mem 0xdfbe-0xdfbf irq 64 at device 7.0 on pci6
em0: Ethernet address: 00:11:43:36:39:e5
em0:  Speed:N/A  Duplex:N/A
pcib7:  at device 0.2 on pci5
pci7:  on pcib7
em1:  port 
0xdcc0-0xdcff mem 0xdf9e-0xdf9f irq 65 at device 8.0 on pci7
em1: Ethernet address: 00:11:43:36:39:e6
em1:  Speed:N/A  Duplex:N/A
pcib8:  at device 6.0 on pci0
pci8:  on pcib8
pcib9:  at device 30.0 on pci0
pci9:  on pcib9
pci9:  at device 13.0 (no driver attached)
isab0:  at device 31.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
atapci0:  port 
0xfc00-0xfc0f,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 31.1 on pci0
ata0: channel #0 on atapci0
ata1: channel #1 on atapci0
fdc0:  port 0x3f7,0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0
sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0
sio0: type 16550A
orm0:  at iomem 
0xec000-0xe,0xce800-0xcf7ff,0xcb000-0xcbfff,0xc-0xcafff on isa0
pmtimer0 on isa0
atkbdc0:  at port 0x64,0x60 on isa0
atkbd0:  irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
ppc0: parallel port not found.
sc0:  at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
vga0:  at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 2793014175 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
IP Filter: v3.4.35 initialized.  Default = pass all, Logging = enabled
acd0: CDROM  at ata0-master PIO4
amrd0:  on amr0
amrd0: 69880MB (143114240 sectors) RAID 1 (optimal)
ses0 at amr0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0
ses0:  Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device 
ses0: SAF-TE Compliant Device
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/amrd0s1a
em0: Link is up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
em1: Link is up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
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Re: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-17 Thread Jamie Heckford
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 06:40:01AM -0600, Elliot Finley wrote:
> This has been happening since 5.3-R, I've been tuning different parameters
> to no avail.  I've taken the disks off of the onboard ICH5 controller and
> put them a promise TX4 S150 controller, but still the same thing happens.
> 
> The system freezes, but isn't totally dead.  It'll still respond to pings,
> the screensaver still functions, but it won't respond to a CAD at the
> console.  But if I press 'Enter' at the console, it'll give me a 'login:'
> prompt, but after entering the username, it never comes back with the
> 'password:' prompt.
> 
> After manually resetting the system it boots and says 'Automatic file system
> check failed; help!' and drops into single user mode.  Running fsck manually
> corrects errors on all volumes.  Then it'll boot from that point.
> 
> This seems to be triggered by daily periodic as it happens at 3:02-3:03AM
> each time.  But it doesn't happen *every* morning.
> 
> I suspect a bug in FreeBSD because this mode of failure happens on 3
> different machines, all configured similarly.
> 

We are having similar problems to this on a box, won't go into great detail at 
the moment
but will post results when we have finished testing.

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:25:21 +0200
Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You have my symphaty, no-one ever gets Wilko right.  And it is 
> dead simple derivative of Willem Coenraad.  Wilko.  Not Wilco.  Right?

Roger that. :-)

Don't even get me started on trying to teach foreigners to pronounce my
first name...  :-)
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake Chuck Swiger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [17/05/05 08:27]:
: I wasn't motivated enough to compare the headers versus other postings, or 
: to check whether the IP that claimed to be "hub.freebsd.org" actually is-- 
: if you control reverse DNS for some netblock, you can make any box claim to 
: be a certain hostname.

There's more than just reverse DNS trickery going on:

Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18])   

   
by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP 

   
id 500505BD09; Mon, 16 May 2005 20:39:43 + (GMT)

   
(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED])   


Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])  

   
by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP 

   
id 6E18216A4E3; Mon, 16 May 2005 20:39:37 + (GMT)   

   
Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org

   
Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 618) 

   
id 0A38316A4D0; Mon, 16 May 2005 20:39:32 + (GMT)   

   

If that's a forgery, then I'm *very* impressed.
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 08:17:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Kövesdán Gábor wrote:
> >Dear Bill and everyone,
> >
> >just a little comment: as far as I know there are two countries where 
> >the first name and the family name is used in different order, and these 
> >two countries are Japan and Hungary. I'm Hungarian thus my name often 
> 
> They are not allone. China also does it and the 'official' Germany, but 
> it is not commonly used.
> 
Well, (Gary said, ddeliberately changing the ^Subject:),
interesting. My mother's parents are from Hungary, two of my
dad's grandparents from  Germany.  

Didn't know about Hungary (or Japan).  China, yes.  Anybody 
on this geek list know any other societies where the surname 
is traditionally presented first and the given name last?  

gary

PS:  So long as no one calls me a 'primitive f*ckhead', I answer 
 to just about anything:)


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Re: DEVFS Overflow table

2005-05-17 Thread Thomas Beer
Here we go:

default:
set device PPPoE:em0
set MTU 1492
set MRU 1492
set dial
set crtscts off
set speed sync
accept lqr
disable deflate
disable pred1
disable vjcomp
disable acfcomp
disable protocomp
set log Phase   #   LCP IPCP CCP Warning Error Alert
set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 #0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0
add default HISADDR
set login
set authname **
set authkey **
set timeout 1800
allow user tom

Cheers Tom


On 5/17/05, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 12:44:37PM +0200, Thomas Beer wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, but how is your system configured? A boot log doesn't show us
> > > this.
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > thanks for your patience! What do you need? Kernel config,
> > boot.loader, etc?
> 
> You claim the problem is related to PPP, so your appropriately edited
> ppp configuration.  This way someone else can drop that in and try to
> replicate the problem.
> 
> Kris
> 
> 
>
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RE: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Paig Chong Woo

> -Message d'origine-
> De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Gary Kline
> Envoyé : mardi 17 mai 2005 19:38
> À : Erich Dollansky
> Cc : Bill Paul; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet : Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!
> 
> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 08:17:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi Joseph,
> > 
> > Kövesdán Gábor wrote:
> > >Dear Bill and everyone,
> > >
> > >just a little comment: as far as I know there are two 
> countries where 
> > >the first name and the family name is used in different order, and 
> > >these two countries are Japan and Hungary. I'm Hungarian 
> thus my name 
> > >often
> > 
> > They are not allone. China also does it and the 'official' Germany, 
> > but it is not commonly used.
> > 
>   Well, (Gary said, ddeliberately changing the ^Subject:),
>   interesting. My mother's parents are from Hungary, two of my
>   dad's grandparents from  Germany.  
> 
>   Didn't know about Hungary (or Japan).  China, yes.  Anybody 
>   on this geek list know any other societies where the surname 
>   is traditionally presented first and the given name last?  
> 
>   gary
> 
>   PS:  So long as no one calls me a 'primitive f*ckhead', 
> I answer 
>to just about anything:)
> 
> 

Korean too. :)

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Nguyen Tam Chinh
On Tue, 17 May 2005, Gary Kline wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 08:17:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi Joseph,
K?vesd?n G?bor wrote:
Dear Bill and everyone,
just a little comment: as far as I know there are two countries where
the first name and the family name is used in different order, and these
two countries are Japan and Hungary. I'm Hungarian thus my name often
They are not allone. China also does it and the 'official' Germany, but
it is not commonly used.
Well, (Gary said, ddeliberately changing the ^Subject:),
interesting. My mother's parents are from Hungary, two of my
dad's grandparents from  Germany.
Didn't know about Hungary (or Japan).  China, yes.  Anybody
on this geek list know any other societies where the surname
is traditionally presented first and the given name last?
In Vietnam :)
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Re: CUPDS reboot the whole system

2005-05-17 Thread Wesley Morgan
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Todor Dragnev wrote:
Hello,
Before a couple of days ago I started /usr/local/sbin/cupsd manualy from
console. When I press CTRL+C to interrupt a program, the system change
runlevel and going to reboot. This was on FreeBSD V5.3, today I
installed fresh new 5.4 but the problem is the same.
I've had this happen to me more than once on my 4.X system. I started 
cupsd using the rc.d script via ssh and the system shut down and rebooted 
itself as if someone has executed "shutdown -r now".

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Re: OT: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Marc Olzheim
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 10:37:37AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
>   Anybody on this geek list know any other societies where the
>   surname is traditionally presented first and the given name
>   last?  

Geek list ? Ah! That probably means I'm allowed to say Star Trek's
Bajorans suffer from it... :-P

Marc


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Acroread 7 port broken?

2005-05-17 Thread ya hoo
I just tried to install acroread 7 from the ports that I cvsup'd last night.
It tells me that it is marked broekn.
 
I assume it is broken, but does anyone know when it will be fixed?
 
 


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Re: OT: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 08:17:10PM +0200, Marc Olzheim wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 10:37:37AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > Anybody on this geek list know any other societies where the
> > surname is traditionally presented first and the given name
> > last?  
> 
> Geek list ? Ah! That probably means I'm allowed to say Star Trek's
> Bajorans suffer from it... :-P
> 
Aye, Mr Olzheim!  And now, Scotty, see if you can get us
out of here! (And: "He's *dead*, Jim.")  &c.

For as off-the-wall as this thread began, it's been
instructive.  Geeks are pretty much informal, but it's
nice to know the correct (polite) way to address people
from other socities.  Just one reason I appreciate FBSD.  

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Re: OT: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Johan van Selst
Alexander Leidinger wrote:
> >They are not allone. China also does it and the 'official' Germany, 
> >but it is not commonly used.
> In Germany it's
>  family_name, first_name
> or
>  first_name family_name

Both forms appear in Dutch as well (although the first is pretty formal).

However, Dutch names frequently include 'interjections' (tussenvoegsels)
as well - something like "van" (v.), "de", "van der" (v/d), etc. - which
is part of the family name, but is not relevant when sorting by last
name. You see this as "d'" or "de" in other languages as well. Paperwork
in the Netherlands usually offers three fields for a name: first
name(s), interjection, family name - filling in forms in other languages
is sometimes confusing.

So my name might be listed as
Johan van Selst (Johan v. Selst)
or
Selst, Johan van

Other variations may appear as well, but are not very common. You may
address me as 'Johan', 'Johan van Selst' or even 'Mr. van Selst' -
but _not_ (never ever) as 'Johan van'. Thank you.

Hopefully this helps clarifying things,

Greetings,
JohanS


P.S. IIRC the Flemish, who also speak Dutch, tend to prefer another
ordering, but that's their choice ;)
P.P.S. Please let's not discuss the family names of married people.


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Re: OT: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Marc Olzheim
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 09:22:33PM +0200, Johan van Selst wrote:
> Other variations may appear as well, but are not very common. You may
> address me as 'Johan', 'Johan van Selst' or even 'Mr. van Selst' -
> but _not_ (never ever) as 'Johan van'. Thank you.

Although 'Mr. van Selst' only applied if you would've passed your law
'bar' exam.

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Re: Acroread 7 port broken?

2005-05-17 Thread Andrew J Caines
ya hoo,

> It tells me that it is marked broekn.
> I assume it is broken,

A fair assumption in the circumstances.

> but does anyone know when it will be fixed?

Shortly after you install it, fix the packing list error, open a PR with
the patch and get the patch commited.

To help you get started, you can install with DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES to
get the files on the system and the app working (which it does), eg.

# portupgrade --new --recursive --sudo --verbose --make-args \
  DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes print/acroread7

You can now find all the files which were installed and compare them to the
packing list, eg.

# find /usr/local /compat/linux/usr/local -newer \
/usr/ports/distfiles/acroread/AdobeReader_enu-7.0.0-1.i386.rpm

# pkg_info -L acroread7-7.0.0

Now you can fix the port by making a copy of the old one, fixing the
packaging list - see PLIST in Makefile and other ports' use of PFILES(+)=,
eg.

# cd /usr/ports/print
# tar -cf acroread7.tar acroread7
# mv acroread7 acroread7-7.0.0
# tar -xvf acroread7.tar
# cd acroread7
Fix Makefile (including removing BROKEN and adding PORTREVISION=1) and any
other files, test install, deinstall and run "portlint -A" and fix any
issues it gives
# make clean
# cd ..
# diff -ruN acroread7-7.0.0 acroread7 > acroread7-7.0.0,1.diff

Send the patch (acroread7-7.0.0,1.diff) with send-pr (or gtk-send-pr), to,
with or instead of the MAINTAINER (if he does not respond).

References:

"FreeBSD Porter's Handbook" -  
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html
"Current FreeBSD problem reports" - 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi
The CVS history of the port, which you should read before doing anything - 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/print/acroread7/

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Re: Acroread 7 port broken?

2005-05-17 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 17 May 2005 11:21 am, ya hoo wrote:
> I just tried to install acroread 7 from the ports that I cvsup'd last
> night. It tells me that it is marked broekn.
>
> I assume it is broken, but does anyone know when it will be fixed?
>
>

There must be something else going on. I just cvsuped and had no problem 
building acroreader. It was broken a while back but the current version 
isn't broken.

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Re: pkg question...

2005-05-17 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Tue, 2005-May-17 22:19:05 +1000, Graham Menhennitt wrote:
>Yann Golanski wrote:
>
>>Is there a way to remove a package and the dependencies that only said
>>package uses?
>> 
>>
>ports -> sysutils/pkg_rmleaves

That is an interactive script that lets you delete all packages that
aren't required by other packages.  You still need some way to work
out what dependencies were installed by the first package.

You could try looking at "pkg_deinstall -R" (part of portupgrade).

BTW, if you compiled the package, it could have installed build-time
dependencies that aren't recorded as requirements and I don't know
any easy way to find/delete them.

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Re: Acroread 7 port broken?

2005-05-17 Thread Ion-Mihai Tetcu
On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:41:20 -0700
Kent Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 17 May 2005 11:21 am, ya hoo wrote:
> > I just tried to install acroread 7 from the ports that I cvsup'd last
> > night. It tells me that it is marked broekn.
> >
> > I assume it is broken, but does anyone know when it will be fixed?
> >
> >
> 
> There must be something else going on. I just cvsuped and had no problem 
> building acroreader. It was broken a while back but the current version 
> isn't broken.

It was a plist problem and Pav today's commit fixed it.


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Re: Acroread 7 port broken?

2005-05-17 Thread Björn König
ya hoo wrote:
I just tried to install acroread 7 from the ports that I cvsup'd last night.
It tells me that it is marked broekn.
 
I assume it is broken, but does anyone know when it will be fixed?
Upgrade your ports tree again. There was a commit today which is 
supposed to unbreak the port.

See http://www.freshports.org/print/acroread7
Björn
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Re: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-17 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Tue, 2005-May-17 09:58:33 -0500, Brent Casavant wrote:
>The only solution I found at that time was reverting to 4.10, though
>that is obviously suboptimal.  I could be persuaded to reinstall 5.x
>on the machine if I'd be sure to get someone to look into this.

It doesn't work that way.  You are going to need to provide much more
information and do some of the work yourself.  I'd suggest that you:
1) Install 5.4-RELEASE (or -STABLE), including a kernel built with
   debugging and DDB enabled (see my previous post and/or the handbook).
2) Confirm that the problem still exists for you.
3) Since you think it's the daily tasks, run "periodic daily" manually
   and try to provoke the problem.
4) Once you can provoke it, run the scripts in /etc/periodic/daily
   individually to identify which script is the problem.  Try to narrow
   it down to a single command within the script.
5) Once you can identify a command (or command sequence) that provokes'
   the problem, save a crashdump and send your dmesg, the sequence of
   commands you ran as well as the DDB output from "show lockedvnods"
   and "ps" to this list.  That's enough information for someone to
   make a start on investigating the problem.

If that's all too hard and you want a fix, see
http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/consult_bycat.html

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Re: OT: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-17 Thread Robert Marella
I was not going to get involved in this but
Where I now reside, the original inhabitants only had one name. Some 
still do, such as

Kamehameha
Kauikeaouli
Liliu`okalani
Ka`ahumanu
It seems much simpler.
regards
Lopaka
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Re: pkg question...

2005-05-17 Thread Graham Menhennitt
Peter Jeremy wrote:
On Tue, 2005-May-17 22:19:05 +1000, Graham Menhennitt wrote:
 

Yann Golanski wrote:
   

Is there a way to remove a package and the dependencies that only said
package uses?
 

ports -> sysutils/pkg_rmleaves
   

That is an interactive script that lets you delete all packages that
aren't required by other packages.  You still need some way to work
out what dependencies were installed by the first package.
 

But I think it can be made to do what Yann wants. You can pkg_delete the 
original package/port (A as he described it). Then run pkg_rmleaves 
(possibly more than once) and it will delete B and D, but keep C because 
it's not a leaf. If you have any leaf packages that you don't want to 
delete, you need to be careful of those. Perhaps run pkg_rmleaves before 
deleting A and note any pre-existing leaves.

Graham
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Re: CUPDS reboot the whole system

2005-05-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 01:59:09PM +0300, Todor Dragnev wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Before a couple of days ago I started /usr/local/sbin/cupsd manualy from
> console. When I press CTRL+C to interrupt a program, the system change
> runlevel and going to reboot. This was on FreeBSD V5.3, today I
> installed fresh new 5.4 but the problem is the same.
> 
> cups-base-1.1.23.0_3

Please transcribe exactly what is displayed after you press ^C.

Kris


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Re: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-17 Thread Brent Casavant
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Peter Jeremy wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-May-17 09:58:33 -0500, Brent Casavant wrote:
> >The only solution I found at that time was reverting to 4.10, though
> >that is obviously suboptimal.  I could be persuaded to reinstall 5.x
> >on the machine if I'd be sure to get someone to look into this.
> 
> It doesn't work that way.  You are going to need to provide much more
> information and do some of the work yourself.

Oh certainly.  Didn't mean to imply otherwise.  I simply meant that
I'm not qualified to look into IDE or filesystem related kernel code
(the two most likely culprits), but if someone else was willing to
do so I'd be happy to do any sort of testing they requested.

Sorry for muddling my original statement.

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SATA378 / SATA150 RAID controller supported by 5.4?

2005-05-17 Thread Rob

Hi,

The 'pciconf -lv' tells me:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:0: class=0x010400 card=0x80f51043
  chip=0x3373105a rev=0x02 hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Promise Technology Inc'
device   = 'PDC20378 FastTrak 378/SATA 378 RAID
Controller'
class= mass storage
subclass = RAID

But I get this in my dmesg output:

 atapci0: 
port 0xd880-0xd8ff,0xdfa0-0xdfaf,0xdf00-0xdf3f
mem 0xfeac-0xfead,0xfeafe000-0xfeafefff
irq 10 at device 4.0 on pci2
 atapci0: failed: rid 0x20 is memory, requested 4
 rl0: 
 port 0xd000-0xd0ff
 mem 0xfeaff400-0xfeaff4ff
 irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci2

At present I use a single harddisk on the regular
IDE connector (atapci1 UDMA100-controller).

Is the RAID controllor on atapci0 supported by 5.4?
What is the 'failed' message about in dmesg?

Also note the seemingly interrupt conflict of both,
rl0 and atapci0, claiming irq 10 ?!?!

Thanks,
Rob.



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