Re: Upgrade from 7.1-RELEASE to 7.2-RELEASE through freebsd update
Ruben de Groot wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:34:54AM +0200, Erwan David typed: I tried to upgrade my 7.1-RELEASE into 7.2-RELEASE. However freebsd-update kept asking me to merge every file in /etc whose $Id$ line changed (that makes about all files). Is there a way, as with mergemaster, to make it not consider the $Id$ line for the manual merge ? Step 1, 'man mergemaster' :) Step 2, pay special attention to the -F option Step 3, pay more special attention to the -U option But seriously folks, run 'mergemaster -Fi' once, then run 'mergemaster -U'. (And seriously read the man page.) hope this helps, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrade from 7.1-RELEASE to 7.2-RELEASE through freebsd update
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 08:56:03AM CEST, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org said: Ruben de Groot wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:34:54AM +0200, Erwan David typed: I tried to upgrade my 7.1-RELEASE into 7.2-RELEASE. However freebsd-update kept asking me to merge every file in /etc whose $Id$ line changed (that makes about all files). Is there a way, as with mergemaster, to make it not consider the $Id$ line for the manual merge ? Step 1, 'man mergemaster' :) Step 2, pay special attention to the -F option Step 3, pay more special attention to the -U option But seriously folks, run 'mergemaster -Fi' once, then run 'mergemaster -U'. (And seriously read the man page.) freebsd-update does not use mergemaster, that's a part of the problem. -- Erwan ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
weird problem w/ ZFS not reclaiming freed space
Somehow I've managed to get ZFS on one of my machines into a state where it won't reclaim all space after deleting files AND snapshots off of it: (this is with 7.2-STABLE amd64, compiled June 10) # ls -la /weird total 4 drwxr-x--- 2 mysql mysql 2 Jun 19 02:42 . drwxr-xr-x 29 root wheel 1024 Jun 19 02:44 .. # df /weird Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on scotch/weird 282201472 109151232 17305024039%/weird # zfs list scotch/weird NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT scotch/weird 104G 164G 104G /weird # zfs list -t snapshot | grep scotch/weird # zfs get all scotch/weird NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE scotch/weird type filesystem - scotch/weird creation Wed Jun 17 1:20 2009 - scotch/weird used 104G - scotch/weird available 159G - scotch/weird referenced104G - scotch/weird compressratio 1.00x - scotch/weird mounted yes- scotch/weird quota none default scotch/weird reservation none default scotch/weird recordsize128K default scotch/weird mountpoint/weird local scotch/weird sharenfs offdefault scotch/weird checksum on default scotch/weird compression offdefault scotch/weird atime offlocal scotch/weird devices on default scotch/weird exec offlocal scotch/weird setuidofflocal scotch/weird readonly offdefault scotch/weird jailedoffdefault scotch/weird snapdir hidden default scotch/weird aclmode groupmask default scotch/weird aclinheritrestricted default scotch/weird canmount on default scotch/weird shareiscsioffdefault scotch/weird xattr offtemporary scotch/weird copies1 default scotch/weird version 3 - scotch/weird utf8only off- scotch/weird normalization none - scotch/weird casesensitivity sensitive - scotch/weird vscan offdefault scotch/weird nbmandoffdefault scotch/weird sharesmb offdefault scotch/weird refquota none default scotch/weird refreservationnone default scotch/weird primarycache alldefault scotch/weird secondarycachealldefault scotch/weird usedbysnapshots 0 - scotch/weird usedbydataset 104G - scotch/weird usedbychildren0 - scotch/weird usedbyrefreservation 0 - If I then rsync stuff to it, space seems OK, if I continue to rsync to it every few hours, the used space grows, even if no snapshots are being taken If I do take snapshots, then change stuff, then delete the snapshots, the snapshot space does appear to be reclaimed. Also if I 'zfs destroy' the filesystem, the space is correctly reclaimed, but once I create a new one and repeat the process, the problem reappears. I have not had any luck reproducing this on another machine yet, but admittedly haven't tried super hard yet. Scrubbing the zpool returns no errors. I'm guessing zdb is my only hope at debugging this, but as I've never used it before and as it seems to dump core whenever I try running it, can someone suggest what I need to check/look for in it? I did also have a panic a few days ago that, based on the text, might be related (I do have the vmdump and core.txt) panic: solaris assert: P2PHASE(start, 1ULL sm-sm_shift) == 0, file: /usr/src/sys/modules/zfs/../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs/space_map.c, line: 146 ...for which I have a vmdump and a core.txt if anyone wants to look at it. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Open Vs Free BSD
Someone once said this too me Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to prove this though. Every offence to the person which said this, but they are not the best admin ever, though they like to think they are (the worst kind I think) Can anyone shed any light, the reason I ask is we where debating about a network and he said OpenBSD on the network (routers firewall etc) and FreeBSD as the app servers (mail, files etc etc), which I can see makes sense.but without having evidence it's pointless making a claim. Thanks :-) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:47:35AM +0100, Michal wrote: Someone once said this too me Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to prove this though. Every offence to the person which said this, but they are not the best admin ever, though they like to think they are (the worst kind I think) Ack! Can anyone shed any light, the reason I ask is we where debating about a network and he said OpenBSD on the network (routers firewall etc) and FreeBSD as the app servers (mail, files etc etc), which I can see makes sense.but without having evidence it's pointless making a claim. You might want to look here (although it is a bit old by now) http://forums.devshed.com/bsd-help-31/freebsd-openbsd-netbsd-darwin--the-definitive-answer-73907.html For the masses: - NetBSD: Run on any hardware (including toasters) - OpenBSD: Be as secure as possible - FreeBSD: provide best system for x86-platforms This might be the reason why generally speaking OpenBSD is recommended for network tasks (where security matters), FreeBSD for server tasks (especially on x86-systems) where the application must be available (very large ports collection), and NetBSD for every hardware that isn't mainstream. But because we always see code exchange between the BSD systems where appropriate, all systems get more secure over time, support more platforms, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_operating_systems Afaik MP-support in OpenBSD is much less optimized than in FreeBSD, especially as FreeBSD got rid of Giant Lock in most places since some time already. There are also old benchmarks available (2003), so this is mostly interesting from a historical point of view: http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ You might also want to check http://forums.2cpu.com/archive/index.php/t-17014.html http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/7.0%20and%20beyond.pdf for further information. Thanks :-) Regards, Holger ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
Hi, Well basically, you need to pay for additional security implementations, and this sometimes costs decrease in performance --- though i think i can always pay for that... Regards, Cem Kim Attree, 06/19/09 12:16: You'll struggle to find a proper apples-to-apples test to prove/disprove those statements, but commonly held BSD Lore states: FreeBSD offers the best performance, and it supports the most software. It's commonly used for web or file servers and desktops. Also, FreeBSD is more actively developed than the others. OpenBSD focuses on security. It runs on more platforms than FreeBSD, but less than NetBSD. Since security is the primary goal, it's excellent for routers and secure-by-default servers. Popular desktop applications like Mozilla and OpenOffice are supported, but don't expect every other Linux/UNIX program to work. NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. Kim Attree IT Manager Playsafe South Africa -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Michal Sent: 19 June 2009 10:48 AM To: m...@openbsd.org; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Open Vs Free BSD Someone once said this too me Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to prove this though. Every offence to the person which said this, but they are not the best admin ever, though they like to think they are (the worst kind I think) Can anyone shed any light, the reason I ask is we where debating about a network and he said OpenBSD on the network (routers firewall etc) and FreeBSD as the app servers (mail, files etc etc), which I can see makes sense.but without having evidence it's pointless making a claim. Thanks :-) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xorg and intel driver
on 18/06/2009 20:34 Nenhum_de_Nos said the following: hail, I know this was here before, http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2009-March/004775.html, but there was no happy ending there ... is there any news ? I have a STABLE from yesterday and the xorg is too much slow. xorg is from 7.2R cdrom, intel video driver is from today. card is vgap...@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x03 card=0x50448086 chip=0x29c28086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'P35/G33 (Bearlake) Integrated Graphics Controller' class = display subclass = VGA if more info is needed, I think there was a solution, but probably posted in a different thread. I made add some confusion here, but it seems that there were several different possible causes for the symptoms that you see. For me it was intel driver starting to use MSI (MFC from head). The solution was either to disable MSI via hint or to use the following patch from Robert Noland: http://people.freebsd.org/~rnoland/drm-intel-050709.patch -- Andriy Gapon ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
On Friday 19 June 2009 04:47:35 Michal wrote: Someone once said this too me Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to prove this though. Every offence to the person which said this, but they are not the best admin ever, though they like to think they are (the worst kind I think) Can anyone shed any light, the reason I ask is we where debating about a network and he said OpenBSD on the network (routers firewall etc) and FreeBSD as the app servers (mail, files etc etc), which I can see makes sense.but without having evidence it's pointless making a claim. Thanks :-) Michal, What does it matter? If you aren't happy with the speed of either system you can get faster hardware. You should worry about which system is best for YOU, not how fast it is. Playing the speed game is a never ending. --STeve Andre' ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
I have used NetBSD several years on mainly amd64 platform, and these are + properties. - Xen support and boot NetBSD as dom0 and a Linux ie; Ubuntu as domU. - Clean design of rc.d scripts. Also NetBSD does not automatically populate rc.d scripts, user adds sample one (displayed after installing pkgsrc software). - Veriexec support. What is veriexec = It is set of hashes that kernel checks before deleting or running a (binary) file according to veriexec settings. - Clean documentation of CGD. Any noob user can easily configure cryptographic disk. - More stable pkgsrc softwares with respect to FreeBSD. - 32 bit and 64 bit linux emulation in amd64 port. It works almost perfectly. - More friendly mailing lists -- NetBSD people are patient somehow ;) Just someone should decide which specifications is more important for him/her. Hint: - No blob driver. - More and more security, hardly checked codes, fixed bugs (which leads to possible future holes, and later to hear 'it was fixed in OpenBSD 6 months ago') The answer is OpenBSD. Regards, Cem Oliver Pinter, 06/19/09 14:08: and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
I agree. Thanks for reminding. I will not reply to this one anymore. Regards, Cem dem...@thephinix.org, 06/19/09 14:41: Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, there is no winner. and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Open Vs Free BSD
It wasn't an argument or a versus anything. It was just a question relating to what he had said and the truth in it and the two OS's being used for different reasons. That's all. No rage, no debate or looking for any winner! -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of dem...@thephinix.org Sent: 19 June 2009 12:42 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; m...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, there is no winner. and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, there is no winner. and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
thus dem...@thephinix.org spake: Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. Exactly. So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, there is no winner. The solution is very easy, IMHO... I have been quite 'radical' WRT the OS I chose to use in the past. I ran/run all, i.e. Net/Open/FreeBSD and DragonFly, among others. I took part in the BSD vs. GNU discussion in the past. But what I learnt during the years is this: * There's always a 'best choice' for the job. On the load balancer I choose OpenBSD, and on my GFs computer I install Ubuntu. Vice versa would not work. * Life's to short for those narrow-headed discussions. Timo and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
On 19 Jun 2009, at 14:02, Timo Schoeler wrote: Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. Above all, they contribute to the genetic diversity in the operating system pool. Which is a good thing. - Ruben ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
routing, pf, rdr question
Hello, I'm trying to replace our current firewall (clavister) with freebsd/pf. I'm almost done but I have some rules I don't know how to convert. I've tried googling around but I've found nothing useful (maybe I'm looking for the wrong terms). I have the following scenario: LAN (192.168.1.0/24) connected to fxp0 (192.168.1.1) DMZ1 (10.0.1.0/24) connected to dc0 (10.0.1.1) DMZ2 (10.0.2.0/24) connected to dc1 (10.0.2.1) DMZ3 (10.0.3.0/24) connected to dc2 (10.0.3.1) DMZ4 (10.0.4.0/24) connected to dc3 (10.0.4.1) The internet is accessible through another router on the LAN (192.168.1.254). The same router provides connections to a remote office using a VPN tunnel. On the remote site there are other 4 DMZ with the same network setup of DMZ1-4. The PCs on the LAN have their default gateway set to the 192.168.1.254 router so when they try to reach any 10.0.x.x IP address they connect to the remote site. This is correct because the production servers are in the remote site and only a few people use the local DMZs that are for development/testing. To actually reach the local DMZs I've configured the clavister firewall to route all the requests for network 10.10.1.0/24 to local 10.0.1.0/24 (and the same with the other 3 DMZs) and setup some static routes on the default gateway. Can I do the same with pf without having one rdr rule for every DMZ's host ? Do I have to setup an alias on the LAN connected interface for every IP on the networks 10.10.1-4.0/24 ? Is there a better way to have a similar setup ? Maybe I can modify the destination IP during the routing process (ie: 10.10.1.10 - 10.0.1.10, 10.10.2.53 - 10.0.2.53, and so on) ? Thanks for your help giuliano ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrade from 7.1-RELEASE to 7.2-RELEASE through freebsd update
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 09:15:05AM CEST, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org said: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 08:56:03AM CEST, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org said: Ruben de Groot wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:34:54AM +0200, Erwan David typed: I tried to upgrade my 7.1-RELEASE into 7.2-RELEASE. However freebsd-update kept asking me to merge every file in /etc whose $Id$ line changed (that makes about all files). Is there a way, as with mergemaster, to make it not consider the $Id$ line for the manual merge ? Step 1, 'man mergemaster' :) Step 2, pay special attention to the -F option Step 3, pay more special attention to the -U option But seriously folks, run 'mergemaster -Fi' once, then run 'mergemaster -U'. (And seriously read the man page.) freebsd-update does not use mergemaster, that's a part of the problem. With more details : freebsd update does this in a special merge directory, using merge(1) which does not have the -I option. mergemaster is not anoption since the file layout is not the same. -- Erwan ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 01:02:40PM +0100, Michal wrote: It wasn't an argument or a versus anything. It was just a question relating to what he had said and the truth in it and the two OS's being used for different reasons. That's all. No rage, no debate or looking for any winner! To be fair, the subject of your thread does suggest a battle. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
Michal escreveu: It wasn't an argument or a versus anything. It was just a question relating to what he had said and the truth in it and the two OS's being used for different reasons. That's all. No rage, no debate or looking for any winner! -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of dem...@thephinix.org Sent: 19 June 2009 12:42 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; m...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, there is no winner. and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org The words you chose from the subject to the bottom of your e-mail, were the wrong ones Open Vs Free BSD for me, and for most here, is literally OpenBSD versus FreeBSD. The answer is: There is winner. The reason I started using OpenBSD is a very personal one, and it generally is for most of us here. Even in business the decisions are often made with the heart. So, you've got to try. I would never use OpenBSD in my laptop, because it doesn't do everything i need on my laptop. The same way i would never use ubuntu on my firewall, because it won't do neither. My 2 cents, -- Giancarlo Razzolini http://lock.razzolini.adm.br Linux User 172199 Red Hat Certified Engineer no:804006389722501 Verify:https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/current/ Moleque Sem Conteudo Numero #002 OpenBSD 4.5 Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope 4386 2A6F FFD4 4D5F 5842 6EA0 7ABE BBAB 9C0E 6B85 ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RES: Open Vs Free BSD
All simply rocks...be xBSD... be Linux, be *nix... whatever.. Just use the right tool for a specific need... We are running Free, Open and Netand some decent Linux such as Debian, Red Hat among others...Love all of them... -Mensagem original- De: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org] Em nome de Giancarlo Razzolini Enviada em: sexta-feira, 19 de junho de 2009 11:01 Para: Michal Cc: m...@openbsd.org; dem...@thephinix.org; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Assunto: Re: Open Vs Free BSD Michal escreveu: It wasn't an argument or a versus anything. It was just a question relating to what he had said and the truth in it and the two OS's being used for different reasons. That's all. No rage, no debate or looking for any winner! -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of dem...@thephinix.org Sent: 19 June 2009 12:42 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; m...@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and vice versa. So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, there is no winner. and the security is in netbsd: http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Kim Attree wrote: NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I don't have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from that camp are very interesting: * Journalling UFS (smart journalling, not gjournal) * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in userland]) * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse Merged amd64 and i386 pmap. Large pages are always used if available * I think they are working on their own ZFS port * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) There are of course other things; see for example http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org The words you chose from the subject to the bottom of your e-mail, were the wrong ones Open Vs Free BSD for me, and for most here, is literally OpenBSD versus FreeBSD. The answer is: There is winner. The reason I started using OpenBSD is a very personal one, and it generally is for most of us here. Even in business the decisions are often made with the heart. So, you've got to try. I would never use OpenBSD in my laptop, because it doesn't do everything i need on my laptop. The same way i would never use ubuntu on my firewall, because it won't do neither. My 2 cents, -- Giancarlo Razzolini http://lock.razzolini.adm.br Linux User 172199 Red Hat Certified Engineer no:804006389722501 Verify:https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/current/ Moleque Sem Conteudo Numero #002 OpenBSD 4.5 Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope 4386 2A6F FFD4 4D5F 5842 6EA0 7ABE BBAB 9C0E 6B85 ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HEADSUP: libpthread compat for 5.x and 6.x binaries
John Baldwin wrote: What I would like to find out is if there are any 5.x or 6.x binaries that use libpthread that do not run well with libthr. You can test this by using a libmap.conf(5) file to remap libpthread to libthr. For 5.x binaries you will want to remap libpthread.so.1 to libthr.so.1. For 6.x binaries you will want to remap libpthread.so.2 to libthr.so.2. This can be accomplished using an /etc/libmap.conf file that contains: I'm running about a hundred jails with a libmap.conf file like that. In order to run 32-bit 6.x jails on FreeBSD 7.2 64-bit... The only time I've seen a problem, is when a threaded application binary is compiled statically. Apparently mysql is built statically sometimes. Obviously in these cases libmap.conf can't kick in. Cheers, Stef Walter ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC
I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the correct driver for this card is rl driver. The kernel insists on using the vr driver which is for the DFE-530TX. From what I can tell, the two cards have different chipsets and so the drivers are not compatable. I can configure the vr driver, but the card does not work with it - I cannot establish a connection even with ping. Is there a way for me to force the kernel to use the rl driver? I am using a generic kernel, so all the needed drivers are built-in. Any other suggestions? Output from ifconfig and dmesg are below. Thanks, Mike Gass Minnesota USA ifconfig output - vr0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 options=2808VLAN_MTU,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MAGIC ether 00:22:b0:6d:e8:b6 inet 192.168.0.3 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active plip0: flags=108810POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT metric 0 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 dmesg output -- Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Sat Jun 13 09:59:29 CDT 2009 r...@pavilion.home.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC module_register: module rl/miibus already exists! Module rl/miibus failed to register: 17 module_register: module cardbus/rl already exists! Module cardbus/rl failed to register: 17 module_register: module pci/rl already exists! Module pci/rl failed to register: 17 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (400.91-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x665 Stepping = 5 Features=0x183f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR real memory = 268369920 (255 MB) avail memory = 248492032 (236 MB) kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: PTLTD RSDT on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter ACPI-safe frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 agp0: Intel 82443BX (440 BX) host to PCI bridge on hostb0 pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1 vgapci0: VGA-compatible display port 0x2000-0x20ff mem 0xf500-0xf5ff,0xf410-0xf4100fff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 drm0: 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X on vgapci0 vgapci0: child drm0 requested pci_enable_busmaster info: [drm] AGP at 0xf800 64MB info: [drm] Initialized mach64 2.0.0 20060718 isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 atapci0: Intel PIIX4 UDMA33 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x1050-0x105f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0x1060-0x107f irq 5 at device 7.2 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: bridge at device 7.3 (no driver attached) pci0: multimedia, audio at device 10.0 (no driver attached) vr0: VIA VT6105 Rhine III 10/100BaseTX port 0x1400-0x14ff mem 0xf400-0xf4ff irq 3 at device 11.0 on pci0 vr0: Quirks: 0x0 vr0: Revision: 0x86 miibus0: MII bus on vr0 ukphy0: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface PHY 1 on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto vr0: Ethernet address: 00:22:b0:6d:e8:b6 vr0: [ITHREAD] acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: AT Keyboard irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: PS/2 Mouse irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 fdc0: floppy drive controller port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FILTER] fd0: 1440-KB 3.5 drive on fdc0 drive 0 sio0: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: [FILTER] cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 acpi_throttle0: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu0 pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: ISA Option ROM at iomem 0xc-0xca7ff pnpid ORM on isa0 ppc0: Parallel port at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppbus0: Parallel port bus on ppc0
Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC
At 01:24 PM 6/19/2009, Michael Gass wrote: I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the What does pciconfig -lvc show ? ---Mike ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Michael Gass mg...@unix.csbsju.eduwrote: I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the correct driver for this card is rl driver. The kernel insists on using the vr driver which is for the DFE-530TX. From what I can tell, the two cards have different chipsets and so the drivers are not compatable. I can configure the vr driver, but the card does not work with it - I cannot establish a connection even with ping. Is there a way for me to force the kernel to use the rl driver? I am using a generic kernel, so all the needed drivers are built-in. Simplest method would be to compile a custom kernel with the rl driver and without the vr driver. Or to build a kernel without any networking drivers, so that they are all built as modules, and then use /boot/loader.conf to load just the if_rl module. One could probably also write a hints line in /boot/loader.conf to tell the vr driver to ignore that specific PCI slot or whatnot, although I've never actually done that. -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Fw: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC
- Original Message - From: Ivailo Bonev ibb_o...@mbox.contact.bg To: Michael Gass mg...@unix.csbsju.edu Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC - Original Message - From: Michael Gass mg...@unix.csbsju.edu To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the correct driver for this card is rl driver. The kernel insists on using the vr driver which is for the DFE-530TX. From what I can tell, the two cards have different chipsets and so the drivers are not compatable. It's a NIC with Davicom chip... Sorry for mistake, I was looking an old picture of this NIC. I see in Linux driver - VT6102 and VT6105... ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC
- Original Message - From: Michael Gass mg...@unix.csbsju.edu To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the correct driver for this card is rl driver. The kernel insists on using the vr driver which is for the DFE-530TX. From what I can tell, the two cards have different chipsets and so the drivers are not compatable. It's a NIC with Davicom chip... ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 06:23:09AM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: On Friday 19 June 2009 04:47:35 Michal wrote: Comparing FreeBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD is generally better at disk-related I/O whereas OpenBSD handles net-I/O better. No test has been carried out to prove this though. Every offence to the person which said this, but they are not the best admin ever, though they like to think they are (the worst kind I think) Can anyone shed any light, the reason I ask is we where debating about a network and he said OpenBSD on the network (routers firewall etc) and FreeBSD as the app servers (mail, files etc etc), which I can see makes sense.but without having evidence it's pointless making a claim. What does it matter? If you aren't happy with the speed of either system you can get faster hardware. You should worry about which system is best for YOU, not how fast it is. Playing the speed game is a never ending. OK, I'm going to take a guess here that English may not be Michal's primary language and re-ask his question: Given the several versions of *BSD, I have been led to understand that each excells in different ways. How do I select which one is right for my application, what are the underlying reasons that would lead me to that choice and what are the the disadvantages I am risking? This is, actually, not an inappropriate question coming from a potential new user who is not familiar with the history surrounding the various versions and would make an outstanding FAQ. As an example, we run FreeBSD on our firewalling machines because it works well enough and we prefer the reduced support costs of using a single O/S across our network. I am unsure of what the advantage of moving to OpenBSD might be and would find it very difficult to quantify the advantages (if any) versus the increased support resources required. This is a very real issue. Linux has a similar problem; I've personally been in meetings where clients examined the myriad Linux distributions and say It's very likely that we will make the incorrect choice. So we'll go with Windows. I suspect similar events have occurred with *BSD. So, rather than jumping on people about them bringing up religous wars (because, face it, you CAN edit a file perfectly well in either vi or emacs :-), we'd all be better served by giving them enough information to make the right choice in their situation while realizing the tradeoffs they are making. /\/\ \/\/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
Individuals in each of the camps (Free, Open, Net) are frequently deeply invested in their platforms of choice to the point where they identify with them. In addition, many if not most of us are only familiar with one of them. Thus, it isn't really fair to ask us to compare the three. You will enjoy more success by asking each of the three projects what their respective strengths are. Cheers, Kip ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC
On Friday 19 June 2009 1:24:29 pm Michael Gass wrote: I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the correct driver for this card is rl driver. The kernel insists on using the vr driver which is for the DFE-530TX. From what I can tell, the two cards have different chipsets and so the drivers are not compatable. I would assume the vr(4) driver is the right driver for your card since PCI devices probe based on PCI IDs. Also, the driver has worked well enough to read a MAC address, etc. (have you compared it with the sticker on the card, if it matches vr(4) is almost _certainly_ the correct driver). -- John Baldwin ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC
- Original Message - From: Mike Tancsa m...@sentex.net To: Michael Gass mg...@unix.csbsju.edu; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC : At 01:24 PM 6/19/2009, Michael Gass wrote: : I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with : a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the : : : What does pciconfig -lvc : show ? : : ---Mike Is that any different than pciconf -lvc ? ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Kip Macy km...@freebsd.org wrote: Individuals in each of the camps (Free, Open, Net) are frequently deeply invested in their platforms of choice to the point where they identify with them. In addition, many if not most of us are only familiar with one of them. Thus, it isn't really fair to ask us to compare the three. You will enjoy more success by asking each of the three projects what their respective strengths are. Cheers, Kip During reading of questions and answers to such comparison issues it is possible to observe one very important ( in my opinion , missing ) concept : In engineering , there is no an abstract better than concept by itself . As an example we may compare : bicycle , motorcycle , car , lorry , bus . aeroplane , boat , ship , transatlantic , train , ... Which one is better than the other one ? If you give an answer that x is better than y you are implicitly using a MEASURE of COMPARISON to solve a PROBLEM . When that the very MEASURE of COMPARISON for the PROBLEM is not specified , the abstract comparison is NOT useful and meaningful . For that reason , it is useful at the beginning to give a description of the problem in precise terms and then ask which tool solves this problem with respect to the others with respect to advantages and disadvantages of the tools . After enumerating these ideas it is possible to make decisions to select an appropriate one which solves the problem as much as possible . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
On Fri 19 Jun 2009 at 11:23:26 PDT Michael R. Wayne wrote: OK, I'm going to take a guess here that English may not be Michal's primary language and re-ask his question: Given the several versions of *BSD, I have been led to understand that each excells in different ways. How do I select which one is right for my application, what are the underlying reasons that would lead me to that choice and what are the the disadvantages I am risking? This is, actually, not an inappropriate question coming from a potential new user who is not familiar with the history surrounding the various versions and would make an outstanding FAQ. As an example, we run FreeBSD on our firewalling machines because it works well enough and we prefer the reduced support costs of using a single O/S across our network. I am unsure of what the advantage of moving to OpenBSD might be and would find it very difficult to quantify the advantages (if any) versus the increased support resources required. This is a very real issue. Linux has a similar problem; I've personally been in meetings where clients examined the myriad Linux distributions and say It's very likely that we will make the incorrect choice. So we'll go with Windows. I suspect similar events have occurred with *BSD. So, rather than jumping on people about them bringing up religous wars (because, face it, you CAN edit a file perfectly well in either vi or emacs :-), we'd all be better served by giving them enough information to make the right choice in their situation while realizing the tradeoffs they are making. I agree, this shouldn't necessarily be treated as flamebait or trolling. But shouldn't the question be redirected to the advocacy mailing list/team? ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
I agree, this shouldn't necessarily be treated as flamebait or trolling. But shouldn't the question be redirected to the advocacy mailing list/team? Yes. This list is for targeted technical questions. It isn't realistic to expect a discussion of this nature to stay on-topic. -Kip ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
skype stalls on RELENG_7 ?
Hi, i am not sure what the situation is but i am starting seeing problems with skype (both 2.0 and 1.2) on a couple of RELENG_7 machines. One of the machines still uses linux 2.4 emulation and fc4, the other one has 2.6.16 and fc8 and is a fresh install of 7.2 In both cases, i see that skype remains waiting to contact the server (the 1.2 version seems to timeout earlier complaining for a password error, but the laptop next to me can connect with the same account.) Anyone else seeing similar problems ? cheers luigi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Patch for FreeBSD 7.0 deadlock
I am seeing problems with FreeBSD 7.0 machines that have the symptoms described in http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-June/043241.html Can someone please point me to a patch which has a fix for the issue described in that thread? Thanks, -santosh ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC (new issue)
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:24:29PM -0500, Michael Gass wrote: I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the correct driver for this card is rl driver. The kernel insists on using the vr driver which is for the DFE-530TX. From what I can tell, the two cards have different chipsets and so the drivers are not compatable. I got the vr driver to work: it was an IRQ issue. Seems sio1 wanted irq 3 which is what vr0 was taking. Somehow that caused a problem. BUT I am still confused about the rl driver not working for this card. The NOTES in /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES explicitly state that the rl driver is for the DFE-530TX+ and that the vr driver is for the DFE-530TX. I have the former and so should be using the rl drive it seems. Is this a mistake in the documentation (including the man page for each driver)? I made a new kernel without the vr driver and the result was that no driver at all was recognized for the NIC. Is there a way to force the kernel to put an entry in /dev for rl0 so that I could try to configue it for the NIC? BTW, visual inspection of the chip on my DFE-530TX+ says it is a DL10030C. Here is some relevant output from running pciconf -lvc. v...@pci0:0:11:0: class=0x02 card=0x14061186 chip=0x31061106 rev=0x86 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT6105M/LOM Rhine III PCI Fast Ethernet Controller' class = network subclass = ethernet cap 01[40] = powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 vgap...@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x03 card=0x47421002 chip=0x47421002 rev=0x5c hdr=0x00 Output from ifconfig and dmesg are below. Thanks, Mike Gass Minnesota USA ifconfig output - vr0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 options=2808VLAN_MTU,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MAGIC ether 00:22:b0:6d:e8:b6 inet 192.168.0.3 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active plip0: flags=108810POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT metric 0 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 dmesg output -- Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Sat Jun 13 09:59:29 CDT 2009 r...@pavilion.home.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC module_register: module rl/miibus already exists! Module rl/miibus failed to register: 17 module_register: module cardbus/rl already exists! Module cardbus/rl failed to register: 17 module_register: module pci/rl already exists! Module pci/rl failed to register: 17 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (400.91-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x665 Stepping = 5 Features=0x183f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR real memory = 268369920 (255 MB) avail memory = 248492032 (236 MB) kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: PTLTD RSDT on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter ACPI-safe frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 agp0: Intel 82443BX (440 BX) host to PCI bridge on hostb0 pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1 vgapci0: VGA-compatible display port 0x2000-0x20ff mem 0xf500-0xf5ff,0xf410-0xf4100fff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 drm0: 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X on vgapci0 vgapci0: child drm0 requested pci_enable_busmaster info: [drm] AGP at 0xf800 64MB info: [drm] Initialized mach64 2.0.0 20060718 isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 atapci0: Intel PIIX4 UDMA33 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x1050-0x105f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] uhci0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller port 0x1060-0x107f irq 5 at device 7.2 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] uhci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: bridge at device 7.3 (no driver attached) pci0: multimedia, audio at device 10.0 (no driver attached) vr0: VIA VT6105 Rhine III 10/100BaseTX port 0x1400-0x14ff mem
Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC (new issue)
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 06:08:02PM -0500, Michael Gass wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:24:29PM -0500, Michael Gass wrote: I'm running 7.2-stable and I replaced an old ISA NIC with a D-Link DFE-530TX+ card. According to the manual, the correct driver for this card is rl driver. The kernel insists on using the vr driver which is for the DFE-530TX. From what I can tell, the two cards have different chipsets and so the drivers are not compatable. I got the vr driver to work: it was an IRQ issue. Seems sio1 wanted irq 3 which is what vr0 was taking. Somehow that caused a problem. BUT I am still confused about the rl driver not working for this card. The NOTES in /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES explicitly state that the rl driver is for the DFE-530TX+ and that the vr driver is for the DFE-530TX. I have the former and so should be using the rl drive it seems. Is this a mistake in the documentation (including the man page for each driver)? Then perhaps the card you have actually is a DFE-530TX. Or maybe the manufacturer changed which chip they use without bothering to change the name of the card - such things happen all too often. I.e. there may well exist two different 'DFE-530TX+' variants - one which uses a Realtek controller, and one which uses a VIA controller. I made a new kernel without the vr driver and the result was that no driver at all was recognized for the NIC. Is there a way to force the kernel to put an entry in /dev for rl0 so that I could try to configue it for the NIC? No. The kernel uses the PCI chip-ID to decide which driver attaches to the card. To change which driver is used you would have to go in and modify the kernel source and build a new kernel. Don't bother doing that however, because if the vr(4) driver works for this card (as you say it does) then there is absolutely no way that the rl(4) driver would work for the same card. (And vice versa.) BTW, visual inspection of the chip on my DFE-530TX+ says it is a DL10030C. Here is some relevant output from running pciconf -lvc. v...@pci0:0:11:0: class=0x02 card=0x14061186 chip=0x31061106 rev=0x86 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'VIA Technologies Inc' device = 'VT6105M/LOM Rhine III PCI Fast Ethernet Controller' class = network subclass = ethernet cap 01[40] = powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 That looks very much like a VIA chip which should indeed be handled by the vr(4) driver. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel wants the wrong driver for my NIC (new issue)
At 07:08 PM 6/19/2009, Michael Gass wrote: I am still confused about the rl driver not working for this card. The NOTES in /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES explicitly state that the rl driver is for the DFE-530TX+ and that the vr driver is for the DFE-530TX. The manufacturer could have changed chipsets and didnt change model numbers. Its certainly not unprecedented. Or the wrong NIC could have been sold to you by accident. I made a new kernel without the vr driver and the result was that no driver at all was recognized for the NIC. Is there a way to force the kernel to put an entry in /dev for rl0 so that I could try to configue it for the NIC? Its a vr nic. Fiddling with the PCI ids of the drivers, will not make it work. i.e. changing the device IDs that the rl attaches to and removing it from the vr. ---Mike ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: skype stalls on RELENG_7 ?
On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 22:27 +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: Hi, i am not sure what the situation is but i am starting seeing problems with skype (both 2.0 and 1.2) on a couple of RELENG_7 machines. One of the machines still uses linux 2.4 emulation and fc4, the other one has 2.6.16 and fc8 and is a fresh install of 7.2 In both cases, i see that skype remains waiting to contact the server (the 1.2 version seems to timeout earlier complaining for a password error, but the laptop next to me can connect with the same account.) Anyone else seeing similar problems ? I do not see this problem, my setup is quoted below. OTOH I have seen these symptoms when firewall is in place and port 80 bridge, Skype uses, is overwhelmed. Is this a possibility in your case? sunny:RabbitsDenuname -a FreeBSD RabbitsDen.RabbitsLawn.verizon.net 7.2-STABLE FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Sun Jun 14 13:29:30 EDT 2009 r...@rabbitsden.rabbitslawn.verizon.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TPX60 i386 sunny:RabbitsDencat /etc/make.conf CPUTYPE?=core OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f8 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS=f8 NO_FSCHG= # added by use.perl 2009-06-11 19:19:47 PERL_VERSION=5.10.0 sunny:RabbitsDenpkg_info | grep -i skype skype-2.0.0.72,1P2P VoIP software sunny:RabbitsDenpkg_info | grep linux linux-f8-alsa-lib-1.0.15_1 The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture libraries (Linux Fedo linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 Accessibility Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library (Linux linux-f8-fontconfig-2.4.2_1 An XML-based font configuration API for X Windows (Linux Fe linux-f8-gtk2-2.12.8_1 GTK+ library, version 2.X (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-pango-1.18.4_1 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2_1 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) linux-flashplugin-9.0r159 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_3 A high-color icon theme shell from the FreeDesktop project linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib linux-libsigc-2.0.17_2 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System linux-openssl-0.9.7f_2 SSL and crypto library (Linux Version) linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for i386/amd64) linux_dri-7.0_1 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration of cheers luigi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
