Re: Could MSGBUF_SIZE be made a loader tunable?

2010-12-08 Thread perryh
Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
 on 06/12/2010 07:20 per...@pluto.rain.com said the following:
  Would there be some fundamental problem in changing MSGBUF_SIZE
  from a compiled-in constant to a tunable that could be set at the
  loader prompt?  (I'm _not_ suggesting that it be adjustable while
  the system is running.)
...
  I didn't see any obvious downside from examining the 8.1-RELEASE
  code, but I could certainly have overlooked some subtle (or even
  blatant) reason why this would be a Bad Idea.

 I also don't immediately see why that wouldn't work.
 Can you try to come up with a patch?

I was planning to try it, unless someone pointed out a reason not
to bother -- and then there is the same problem everyone else has,
ENOTIME :(

Sort-of related question, since the only 8.x I currently have is the
not-yet-installed memstick:  should I be able to build a usable 8.1
kernel on a 6.1 system (with the 8.1 sources installed somewhere, of
course)?
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Re: FreeBSD 7 installs where FreeBSD 8 wont due to CD

2010-12-08 Thread perryh
Pete French petefre...@ticketswitch.com wrote:

 Is there a way inside the install environment to see
 what the kernel has detected and created in /dev ?

Go into Fixit# and examine /dev and/or the dmesg.
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Re: FreeBSD 7 installs where FreeBSD 8 wont due to CD

2010-12-08 Thread Bruce Cran
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:00:34 -0800
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

 Go into Fixit# and examine /dev and/or the dmesg.

The problem is there's no ls in FixIt mode so you need to use
echo * to see what files are present.

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Re: FreeBSD 7 installs where FreeBSD 8 wont due to CD

2010-12-08 Thread Bruce Cran
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:01:32 +1000
Andy Farkas chuzzwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why is this so?

I think the Fixit environment only contains tools necessary for
installing the system and has traditionally needed to be small enough
to fit on a 1.44MB floppy disk. So since ls wasn't required it
wasn't included.

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Re: FreeBSD 7 installs where FreeBSD 8 wont due to CD

2010-12-08 Thread Andy Farkas
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:
 On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:00:34 -0800
 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

 Go into Fixit# and examine /dev and/or the dmesg.

 The problem is there's no ls in FixIt mode so you need to use
 echo * to see what files are present.

Why is this so?

-andyf
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OpenIndiana code improovements that may be used in FreeBSD

2010-12-08 Thread vermaden
Hi,

if you know about these, the forget about this mail.

There are interesgin code changes that are useful for FreeBSD,
these include for example improoved printf command:
http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2010/12/zfs-should-not-depend-on-python-and.html

... and python-free ZFS commands:
http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2010/10/new-implementation-of-printf.html

FreeBSD folks, you might want to incorporate this into your tree. If
you do, I'd sure like to know.

The license remains BSD, so the various BSD operating systems (or even
Oracle) are free to incorporate these improvements if they like.

Regards,
vermaden

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Re: FreeBSD 7 installs where FreeBSD 8 wont due to CD

2010-12-08 Thread Andy Farkas
 So since ls wasn't required it wasn't included.

I just booted an old 6.1-RELEASE CD and selected Fixit mode...

ls -lF works as expected!

-andyf
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Re: FreeBSD 7 installs where FreeBSD 8 wont due to CD

2010-12-08 Thread Bruce Cran
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:29:31 +1000
Andy Farkas chuzzwa...@gmail.com wrote:

  So since ls wasn't required it wasn't included.
 
 I just booted an old 6.1-RELEASE CD and selected Fixit mode...
 
 ls -lF works as expected!

I should clarify that by saying that ls is included in the live
filesystem but not in the Emergency Holographic Shell that is
present on CD1.

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OpenIndiana code improovements that may be used in FreeBSD

2010-12-08 Thread vermaden
Hi,

If you know about these, the forge
These include for example improoved printf command:
http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2010/12/zfs-should-not-depend-on-python-and.html

... and python-free ZFS commands:
http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2010/10/new-implementation-of-printf.html

FreeBSD folks, you might want to incorporate this into your tree. If
you do, I'd sure like to know.

The license remains BSD, so the various BSD operating systems (or even
Oracle) are free to incorporate these improvements if they like.




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Re: Supported SAS controllers (single port)

2010-12-08 Thread Paul Mather
On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote:

 
 On 08/12/2010, at 3:51, Mike Andrews wrote:
 On 12/7/2010 8:00 AM, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
 Does anyone have a recommendation for one?
 
 I am looking to connect a LTO tape drive to a FreeBSD 7 or 8 box and I've 
 only ever used Adaptec 19160 and similar cards and LVDS SCSI.
 
 Our supplier has an LSI SAS3081E-R which is not outrageously expensive, has 
 anyone used one?
 
 Yes, I've got one, it works fine :)
 
 Ahh, good news, thanks :)
 
 Have you used it with a tape drive?
 
 You may want to flash the non-raid firmware from LSI onto it.
 
 OK thanks.
 
 I just realised it doesn't have any external connectors so I'll have to find 
 another candidate.
 
 However I do see the LSI spec sheet for it lists the chip which is listed in 
 mpt(4) so I should be able to find something.

I have a LSI SAS3801E (note lack of -R suffix) in a FreeBSD 8 box that is 
hooked up to a Quantum SuperLoader LTO-4 tape drive.  It's not in production 
yet, and I haven't done extensive testing, but so far it probes the tape drive 
and autochanger correctly.

The LSI SAS3801E itself attaches as a mpt device.  It has two external 
connectors but no internal ones.

I had intended to use an Areca ARC-1300-4X external SAS controller to drive 
this tape unit but, alas, I discovered that there is as yet no FreeBSD driver 
for that card. :-(

Cheers,

Paul.


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Re: FreeBSD 7 installs where FreeBSD 8 wont due to CD

2010-12-08 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 09:17:27AM +, Bruce Cran wrote:
 On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:00:34 -0800
 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 
  Go into Fixit# and examine /dev and/or the dmesg.
 
 The problem is there's no ls in FixIt mode so you need to use
 echo * to see what files are present.

Sort of.  Fixit offers these choices:

2 CDROM/DVD  Use the live filesystem CDROM/DVD
3 USBUse the live filesystem from a USB drive
4 Floppy Use a floppy generated from the fixit image
5 Shell  Start an Emergency Holographic Shell

Options 2,3 and presumably 4 will all offer ls capability in addition
to many other useful utilities (pciconf, dmesg, less, vi, etc.).

It's option 5 (Emergency Holographic Shell) which offers generally
nothing useful (requiring echo *, etc.).

I imagine the segregation of these two is due to capacity concerns
dating back to the days of floppy disks.  We really should re-think that
model.

I think most people who are in an emergency or bare bones situation
really do want the ability to boot disc1.iso and get a shell with the
majority of common utilities that make up the base system.  And let's
not forget those of us who PXEboot in emergencies -- we're mostly
screwed.  :-)  A one-stop shop makes the most sense, IMHO.

It's for this reason that I regularly advocate use of USB flash drives
and the memstick image if physically at the console.  (Most of our
servers have CD drives, not DVD, while all of them have USB ports)

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