Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:13:12 +0200 > Fabian Keil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For information: I'm still trying to find a sodimm card for this > machine, as everything would be easier if it had more memory. > We'll see how I manage that; here in Norway it is not so easy to find > things like that, and transport costs from the US are prohibitive for > a hobby budget. > > > I moved the harddisk into a more powerful machine, > > installed FreeBSD there, build a lighter kernel and > > put the disk back. > > Are there any FAQ's arounf for things I can safely remove from a 6.1 > kernel? I don't think so, but usually the comments are enough to decide if you need something or not. The man pages help with the rest. > > In your case it's probably easier to create a disk image > > in Qemu, copy it to a CD and then use something that > > Hmm, I'm not very familiar with Qemu. A quick web search didn't turn up > any obvious pointers on how to create a ISO image from a qemu image, or > how to make an ISO image from the (currently running) Qemu image. You can burn the Qemu image like every other file, you can even burn it directly without putting it into an ISO file first. You should stop Qemu first though, otherwise you might end up with an inconsistent image. If you only want to replace a partition, you can load the image with mdconfig to extract the partition you need. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Are 16 Megs of RAM to little to install FreeBSD 6.0 or newer? As others have pointed out, installation via sysinstall requires at least 24 MB of RAM. So you either have to prepare your own installation media, or put the harddisk in a different PC, install FreeBSD there, and move the disk back. In any case you should carefully tune your kernel confi- guration to only include those things that you really need. There are also options to exclude certain parts, e.g. the syscons driver has seveal options to exclude copy&paste, font loading and other things, which can save some space. Don't forget to configure plenty of swap space; you'll probably need it. And have a look at the tuning(7) man page which has several hints that may help for low-memory situations. If you want to run X11 (a current version of Xorg), you absolutely must upgrade the RAM. You won't be happy with 16 MB only. But even with more RAM, running X11 won't be much fun, because the CPU isn't very fast, I guess. If you want to run a light-weight graphical web browser, I recommend links (in X11 graphics mode, option "-g") or dillo. Both are available from the ports collection. They support only limited JavaScript, though, and no Flash, Java or anything more advanced. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "IRIX is about as stable as a one-legged drunk with hypothermia in a four-hundred mile per hour wind, balancing on a banana peel on a greased cookie sheet -- when someone throws him an elephant with bad breath and a worse temper." -- Ralf Hildebrandt ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On Sunday 27 August 2006 09:13, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Sun, 2006-Aug-27 03:46:52 +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > >I have an old laptop, a Compaq Armada 1580DMT, with 16M RAM, 2GB hd, > > ... > > >However, when I try the 6.1-release CD (CD1), it boots as far as > >loading the kernel, botting the kernel, and then reboots again?? > > The CD-ROMs create a RAMdisk and need a minimum of 24MB last I checked. > Once you have FreeBSD installed, it will limp along in 16MB (though > not very happily). I strongly suggest you find a SODIMM to expand it. A friend of mine installed 6.1 successfully on a pentium with 48MB ram. It runs quite well actually :) He didn't try to to install X however. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
16MB is enough to run FreeBSD for limited applications, with carefully crafted kernel. It is not enough to run sysinstall. Last I checked, sysinstall was pushing 24MB in size, with 32MB being really better. Warner ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:13:12 +0200 Fabian Keil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For information: I'm still trying to find a sodimm card for this machine, as everything would be easier if it had more memory. We'll see how I manage that; here in Norway it is not so easy to find things like that, and transport costs from the US are prohibitive for a hobby budget. > I moved the harddisk into a more powerful machine, > installed FreeBSD there, build a lighter kernel and > put the disk back. Are there any FAQ's arounf for things I can safely remove from a 6.1 kernel? > NFS mounting needed a work around: I won't need NFS, so that's not a problem. > In your case it's probably easier to create a disk image > in Qemu, copy it to a CD and then use something that Hmm, I'm not very familiar with Qemu. A quick web search didn't turn up any obvious pointers on how to create a ISO image from a qemu image, or how to make an ISO image from the (currently running) Qemu image. Do you have any pointers to a HowTo for this? > boots from a floppy, supports the CD-Rom drive and brings > dd with it, to "install" the image. Yes, this sounds like a good plan. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an old laptop, a Compaq Armada 1580DMT, with 16M RAM, 2GB hd, > floppy and CD-rom. It doesn't have built in networking, neither wired > nor wireless. It does have PC card slots. It has had FreeBSD 4.9-release > installed a long time, and was recently upgraded to 4.11-release from > CD, sucessfully. > However, when I try the 6.1-release CD (CD1), it boots as far as > loading the kernel, botting the kernel, and then reboots again?? > Are 16 Megs of RAM to little to install FreeBSD 6.0 or newer? With the default configuration yes. I recently tried to install FreeBSD 6.1-PRERELEASE on a Pentium 90 with 16 MB RAM, and hit the rebooting problem as well. I moved the harddisk into a more powerful machine, installed FreeBSD there, build a lighter kernel and put the disk back. NFS mounting needed a work around: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/94830 but the rest worked out of the box. In your case it's probably easier to create a disk image in Qemu, copy it to a CD and then use something that boots from a floppy, supports the CD-Rom drive and brings dd with it, to "install" the image. Depending on your partition layout you may even be able to use your old FreeBSD installation to do that. (I'm not sure if it's possible to use FreeBSD to overwrite the partition it's running from). Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On 8/27/06, Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 2006-Aug-27 11:00:30 +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: >On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:13:29 +1000 >Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The CD-ROMs create a RAMdisk and need a minimum of 24MB last I >> checked. > >And I guess that the floppies work in the same way? Yes. >> Once you have FreeBSD installed, it will limp along in 16MB >> (though not very happily). > >Hmm, I see. I'm planning to run X on this old box (it's going to be a >PictureFrame project), perhaps that will not work. I think you would be thrashing if there was any actual activity. I'll prod a friend with the same setup to comment tomorrow. >> I strongly suggest you find a SODIMM to >> expand it. > >Ok. Are all SODIMMs equal (ie. a real standard), or do I hvae to look >specifically for memory upgrades for the Armada 1580 (or 1500 series)? I'm 99% certain that you can't use anything bigger than 64MB (at least a 128MB Cpq Armada SODIMM that I had wouldn't work in any of the 15xx machines I tried it in - that included a 1580). I'm not sure how interchangeable they are. Max mem size and chip density is a function of the MCH, If you post a copy of dmesg here I can look it up for you. From the service manual: "The computer supports optional 8-, 16-, 32-, and 64-MB memory boards. The memory boards are 60 ns EDO RAM without parity. System memory can be expanded to 80-MB of DRAM depending on the model." The Service Manual is here: http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/CoreRedirect.jsp?redirectReason=DocIndexPDF&prodSeriesId=96219&targetPage=http%3A%2F%2Fh2.www2.hp.com%2Fbc%2Fdocs%2Fsupport%2FSupportManual%2Fc00139858%2Fc00139858.pdf And Addendum to the service manual is here: http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/CoreRedirect.jsp?redirectReason=DocIndexPDF&prodSeriesId=96219&targetPage=http%3A%2F%2Fh2.www2.hp.com%2Fbc%2Fdocs%2Fsupport%2FSupportManual%2Fc00139129%2Fc00139129.pdf -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On Sun, 2006-Aug-27 11:00:30 +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: >On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:13:29 +1000 >Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The CD-ROMs create a RAMdisk and need a minimum of 24MB last I >> checked. > >And I guess that the floppies work in the same way? Yes. >> Once you have FreeBSD installed, it will limp along in 16MB >> (though not very happily). > >Hmm, I see. I'm planning to run X on this old box (it's going to be a >PictureFrame project), perhaps that will not work. I think you would be thrashing if there was any actual activity. I'll prod a friend with the same setup to comment tomorrow. >> I strongly suggest you find a SODIMM to >> expand it. > >Ok. Are all SODIMMs equal (ie. a real standard), or do I hvae to look >specifically for memory upgrades for the Armada 1580 (or 1500 series)? I'm 99% certain that you can't use anything bigger than 64MB (at least a 128MB Cpq Armada SODIMM that I had wouldn't work in any of the 15xx machines I tried it in - that included a 1580). I'm not sure how interchangeable they are. -- Peter Jeremy pgphED8wKMZpV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:13:29 +1000 Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The CD-ROMs create a RAMdisk and need a minimum of 24MB last I > checked. And I guess that the floppies work in the same way? > Once you have FreeBSD installed, it will limp along in 16MB > (though not very happily). Hmm, I see. I'm planning to run X on this old box (it's going to be a PictureFrame project), perhaps that will not work. > I strongly suggest you find a SODIMM to > expand it. Ok. Are all SODIMMs equal (ie. a real standard), or do I hvae to look specifically for memory upgrades for the Armada 1580 (or 1500 series)? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:44:24 -0500 Nikolas Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you know it has CardBus / PCMCIA 2.1 / JEIDA 4.2? have you > checked? This standard was introduced in 1995. I don't *know* it, but all evidence seems to point in that direction. :-) Quote from chapter 7 of the user guide: "Important: the PC Card slots on the computer are CardBus slots that support 16- and 32-bit PC Cards. They support the newer generation of 32-bit (CardBus) designed to take advantage of audio, video, multifunction and high-speed LAN capabilities". BTW, first edition of the User Guide is from March 1997, I also tested with a CardBus card, and it fits into the slot. > Yep. Try DragonFly BSD, it's based on FreeBSD 4.x code so it should be Ok, So DragonFlyBSD supports CardBus cards? I'll try it. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On Sun, 2006-Aug-27 03:46:52 +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: >I have an old laptop, a Compaq Armada 1580DMT, with 16M RAM, 2GB hd, ... >However, when I try the 6.1-release CD (CD1), it boots as far as >loading the kernel, botting the kernel, and then reboots again?? The CD-ROMs create a RAMdisk and need a minimum of 24MB last I checked. Once you have FreeBSD installed, it will limp along in 16MB (though not very happily). I strongly suggest you find a SODIMM to expand it. -- Peter Jeremy pgp8Sla873Ncg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On 8/26/06, Nikolas Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/26/06, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I have an old laptop, a Compaq Armada 1580DMT, with 16M RAM, 2GB hd, > floppy and CD-rom. It doesn't have built in networking, neither wired > nor wireless. It does have PC card slots. It has had FreeBSD 4.9-release > installed a long time, and was recently upgraded to 4.11-release from > CD, sucessfully. > > However, I would like better pccard support, ie. 32 bit cardbus and > wireless network cards, so I would like to install 6.1-release (or > -stable) on it. How do you know it has CardBus / PCMCIA 2.1 / JEIDA 4.2? have you checked? This standard was introduced in 1995. > However, when I try the 6.1-release CD (CD1), it boots as far as > loading the kernel, botting the kernel, and then reboots again?? > > I have also tried 6.0-release, and 7.0-current (both July 06 and Aug 06 > snapshots) with the same results. > > Are 16 Megs of RAM to little to install FreeBSD 6.0 or newer? Yep. Try DragonFly BSD, it's based on FreeBSD 4.x code so it should be able to cope with an antique such as this. NetBSD would also be a good choice. I would say at least 32MB for FreeBSD 6.x... my FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE kernel is using 52MB (I think I have debugging enabled though). Ok I checked three other 6.x boxes. Dmesg reports the kernel using 35MB, 34MB, and 19MB of RAM at system startup. Top reports 297MB, 38MB, 167MB, and 621MB active... The two largest numbers are running X11/KDE and the two smallest numbers are servers. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, I have an old laptop, a Compaq Armada 1580DMT, with 16M RAM, 2GB hd, floppy and CD-rom. It doesn't have built in networking, neither wired nor wireless. It does have PC card slots. It has had FreeBSD 4.9-release installed a long time, and was recently upgraded to 4.11-release from CD, sucessfully. However, I would like better pccard support, ie. 32 bit cardbus and wireless network cards, so I would like to install 6.1-release (or -stable) on it. However, when I try the 6.1-release CD (CD1), it boots as far as loading the kernel, botting the kernel, and then reboots again?? Try turning off all power management and plug-and-play support in the BIOS and booting FreeBSD without ACPI. Try combinations of these three things. Often older hardware has really broken APM/ACPI support that makes FreeBSD do odd things. Failing that, you may need to build a custom kernel with just the minimum required to get yourself to a shell prompt. You can build a new kernel with cardbus, usb and other extras after you get FreeBSD installed. -- Darren Pilgrim ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
On 8/26/06, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I have an old laptop, a Compaq Armada 1580DMT, with 16M RAM, 2GB hd, floppy and CD-rom. It doesn't have built in networking, neither wired nor wireless. It does have PC card slots. It has had FreeBSD 4.9-release installed a long time, and was recently upgraded to 4.11-release from CD, sucessfully. However, I would like better pccard support, ie. 32 bit cardbus and wireless network cards, so I would like to install 6.1-release (or -stable) on it. How do you know it has CardBus / PCMCIA 2.1 / JEIDA 4.2? have you checked? This standard was introduced in 1995. However, when I try the 6.1-release CD (CD1), it boots as far as loading the kernel, botting the kernel, and then reboots again?? I have also tried 6.0-release, and 7.0-current (both July 06 and Aug 06 snapshots) with the same results. Are 16 Megs of RAM to little to install FreeBSD 6.0 or newer? Yep. Try DragonFly BSD, it's based on FreeBSD 4.x code so it should be able to cope with an antique such as this. NetBSD would also be a good choice. I would say at least 32MB for FreeBSD 6.x... my FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE kernel is using 52MB (I think I have debugging enabled though). -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
16M RAM enough for FreeBSD 6.1?
Hello, I have an old laptop, a Compaq Armada 1580DMT, with 16M RAM, 2GB hd, floppy and CD-rom. It doesn't have built in networking, neither wired nor wireless. It does have PC card slots. It has had FreeBSD 4.9-release installed a long time, and was recently upgraded to 4.11-release from CD, sucessfully. However, I would like better pccard support, ie. 32 bit cardbus and wireless network cards, so I would like to install 6.1-release (or -stable) on it. However, when I try the 6.1-release CD (CD1), it boots as far as loading the kernel, botting the kernel, and then reboots again?? I have also tried 6.0-release, and 7.0-current (both July 06 and Aug 06 snapshots) with the same results. Are 16 Megs of RAM to little to install FreeBSD 6.0 or newer? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
