Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 10/11/2012 02:45, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Claude Buissonclbuis...@orange.fr wrote: I can easily understand that developpers are happy to switch to new tools, but the question is: do FreeBSD developpers care a bit about non developpers, and FreeBSD developers are required to keep their development systems and tools with the needs of non-developers as the primary requirement? You are just misinterpreting what I said. The previous generation of developers devised a very efficient way of distributing their work to non-developpers, with light tools, a large network of mirrors, etc. This is now killed in a somewhat disruptive way (for non-developers). ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 10/11/2012 02:52, Glen Barber wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:34:56AM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: FWIW, you can compile the svn binary elsewhere, statically linked, and save the dependency problem by copying the resulting binary around. Lucky people who have an elsewhere. And the static binary is as much bloated than the dynamic ones. Compare it with this poor csup, which gave great services for a small price. Agreed on all counts. For what it is worth, my response was really geared with the mindset of having a cluster of machines to administer, where having the extra (sometimes unnecessary) dependencies of svn are not ideal and/or can conflict with other software. I understood that. At a time I have been in that situation, but to be there I had to sell the use of FreeBSD at my $WORK, and started with a single machine and limited ressources. So the existence of a cluster even for people doing real production work with FreeBSD is not a given. As mentioned in today's earlier announcement for 9.1-RC2, however, CVS backporting from SVN will continue to be done for the stable/9 branch. Hopefully that buys some time for svnup to become reality. One of the starting point of this thread have been that according to cvsweb, there does not seem to have been any update of releng7, releng8, and releng9 at least since October 5 or 6, which is confirmed by cvsup1.fr.freebsd.org (I have just done the test for releng8). So something is not working somewhere, and someone may ask do somebody care about it ? The problem with svnsup is that it had to be a prerequisite, and had not be. Glen Sorry to have started so long a thread. I asked essentially the same questions about cvs/csup/mirrors, etc more than a year ago without real answer.. Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:42:21PM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: I understood that. At a time I have been in that situation, but to be there I had to sell the use of FreeBSD at my $WORK, and started with a single machine and limited ressources. So the existence of a cluster even for people doing real production work with FreeBSD is not a given. Fair enough point. As mentioned in today's earlier announcement for 9.1-RC2, however, CVS backporting from SVN will continue to be done for the stable/9 branch. One of the starting point of this thread have been that according to cvsweb, there does not seem to have been any update of releng7, releng8, and releng9 at least since October 5 or 6, which is confirmed by cvsup1.fr.freebsd.org (I have just done the test for releng8). So something is not working somewhere, and someone may ask do somebody care about it ? Sorry to have started so long a thread. I asked essentially the same questions about cvs/csup/mirrors, etc more than a year ago without real answer.. Sorry if your original email about the mirror went overlooked or unanswered. Can you please file a PR about cvsup1.fr ? There are two immediate issues regarding that: 1.) I (personally) do not have a way to check on the status of that machine's syncing; 2.) Some machines within the FreeBSD.org infrastructure are being moved around/upgraded/duct-taped, etc. So, while thus far it has been minimal, user-facing issues may have occurred. So, until all of the moving things around is done, a PR will be the best way to ensure your report does not further go unanswered. Glen pgpivJevD6Pwk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 10/11/2012 13:34, Glen Barber wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:42:21PM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: I understood that. At a time I have been in that situation, but to be there I had to sell the use of FreeBSD at my $WORK, and started with a single machine and limited ressources. So the existence of a cluster even for people doing real production work with FreeBSD is not a given. Fair enough point. As mentioned in today's earlier announcement for 9.1-RC2, however, CVS backporting from SVN will continue to be done for the stable/9 branch. One of the starting point of this thread have been that according to cvsweb, there does not seem to have been any update of releng7, releng8, and releng9 at least since October 5 or 6, which is confirmed by cvsup1.fr.freebsd.org (I have just done the test for releng8). So something is not working somewhere, and someone may ask do somebody care about it ? Sorry to have started so long a thread. I asked essentially the same questions about cvs/csup/mirrors, etc more than a year ago without real answer.. Sorry if your original email about the mirror went overlooked or unanswered. Can you please file a PR about cvsup1.fr ? There are two immediate issues regarding that: I do not see a real interest of filling a PR for cvsup1.fr. I have just done the same test with the same result with cvsup5.de and cvsup10.us. www.mavetju.org/unix/freebsd-mirrors/ have all cvsup mirrors in red, and IIRC someone wrote on hubs@ that the current test for mirrors was flawed because it tried at a now inexistent file. And someone else wrote that the project does not want anymore mirrors which are not under its direct control. My conclusion is that there is something wrong in the chain, for now 6 days, and if nobody in the project noticed, it was only the demonstration that nobody cares anymore. I definitively switched to svn (sigh) on October 6th, and do want to be the eternal whistle blower on that subject. 1.) I (personally) do not have a way to check on the status of that machine's syncing; 2.) Some machines within the FreeBSD.org infrastructure are being moved around/upgraded/duct-taped, etc. So, while thus far it has been minimal, user-facing issues may have occurred. So, until all of the moving things around is done, a PR will be the best way to ensure your report does not further go unanswered. It is clear that there have been a problem at least with lists.freebsd.org, but what astonishes me is the fact that in our glorious 21th century, nobody thought to inform people on the mailing lists, or on the home page of www.freebsd.org (no, I do not want to be on Twitter or FaceBook for that kind of information). Glen Thank you for taking the pain of reading my emails. Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:43:07PM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: I do not see a real interest of filling a PR for cvsup1.fr. I have just done the same test with the same result with cvsup5.de and cvsup10.us. www.mavetju.org/unix/freebsd-mirrors/ have all cvsup mirrors in red, and IIRC someone wrote on hubs@ that the current test for mirrors was flawed because it tried at a now inexistent file. And someone else wrote that the project does not want anymore mirrors which are not under its direct control. I will do what I can to look into this. It is clear that there have been a problem at least with lists.freebsd.org, but what astonishes me is the fact that in our glorious 21th century, nobody thought to inform people on the mailing lists, or on the home page of www.freebsd.org (no, I do not want to be on Twitter or FaceBook for that kind of information). I absolutely understand, and appreciate your input about this. I am sorry that you feel people within the Project do not care. But, I assure you, that is not the case. I cannot speak for anyone but myself in the Project, but as someone who has direct access to make such a chanage to the FreeBSD.org website, I apologize for the lack of announcement. You are right - there should have been some sort of Some services may be disrupted for a bit, or similar there. I am sorry this was not done. Thank you for taking the pain of reading my emails. Thank you for taking the time to outline your concerns. Glen pgptkkFCcgn6r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 10/08/2012 22:16, Jakub Lach wrote: FreeBSD/arm and FreeBSD/mips will be added soon!. https://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/ As the last snapshot is from October 6, I infer that they use cvs/cvsup, with the svn to cvs gateway down since this date .. Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
Any questions and suggestions are welcome. Contact h...@freebsd.org. But good catch, if your reasoning is indeed correct. And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-10-CURRENT-and-9-STABLE-snapshots-tp5749922p5750838.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl wrote in 1349873186577-5750838.p...@n5.nabble.com: ja Any questions and suggestions are welcome. Contact h...@freebsd.org. ja ja But good catch, if your reasoning is indeed correct. ja ja And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. Migrating from CVS to SVN in the build infrastructure is in progress and the daily snapshot build will recover in a couple of days, JFYI. -- Hiroki pgpEccIg5sCc7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 10/10/2012 16:07, Hiroki Sato wrote: Jakub Lachjakub_l...@mailplus.pl wrote in1349873186577-5750838.p...@n5.nabble.com: ja Any questions and suggestions are welcome. Contact h...@freebsd.org. ja ja But good catch, if your reasoning is indeed correct. ja ja And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. Migrating from CVS to SVN in the build infrastructure is in progress and the daily snapshot build will recover in a couple of days, JFYI. Thank you -- Hiroki Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
Thanks for information, and especially thanks for providing snapshots- they are my primary source (and for many) for fresh FreeBSD isos. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-10-CURRENT-and-9-STABLE-snapshots-tp5749922p5750927.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 10/10/2012 14:46, Jakub Lach wrote: Any questions and suggestions are welcome. Contact h...@freebsd.org. But good catch, if your reasoning is indeed correct. Honestly, my message was also a test about the current state of the svn to cvs gateway. Is it down without nobody taking care ? or have it been killed without a proper announcement ? I have migrated to svn, and I enjoy the following benefits: - I had to install a complete VCS I have no (other) need of, - compared to cvsup, the svn update logs are too terse, and need to be sorted, - the response times of svnweb.freebsd.org are nearly unbearable, at least from my small european village, - the disk usage more than doubled, but GBytes are cheap as say those who do not pay with their own wallet, - my backups take now a too lnnnggg time Perharps des@ svnsup project will succeed but there not seems to be much activity. As an addon, according to lists.freebsd.org, svn-ports have not been updated since more than a day... And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. I know, but: - there are no more official snapshots on freebsd.org - anybody enquiring about it on the lists is directed to allbsd.org - the recently created snapshots.glenbarber.us is much more limited Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:04:22PM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: As an addon, according to lists.freebsd.org, svn-ports have not been updated since more than a day... This is an unrelated problem, caused by machine upgrades/moves at our main data center. - the recently created snapshots.glenbarber.us is much more limited The intention is to get these snapshots officially blessed. This is one step in the direction. mcl ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
Sorry if I've misunderstood you, but how making second unofficial repository forwards the case of having official one? On the side, having void link on main page, like now is worst option. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-10-CURRENT-and-9-STABLE-snapshots-tp5749922p5751024.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Claude Buisson clbuis...@orange.fr wrote: On 10/10/2012 14:46, Jakub Lach wrote: Any questions and suggestions are welcome. Contact h...@freebsd.org. But good catch, if your reasoning is indeed correct. Honestly, my message was also a test about the current state of the svn to cvs gateway. Is it down without nobody taking care ? or have it been killed without a proper announcement ? I have migrated to svn, and I enjoy the following benefits: - I had to install a complete VCS I have no (other) need of, Unfortunate, but not hugely significant (Just a bit of disk space). - compared to cvsup, the svn update logs are too terse, and need to be sorted, Pipe the output into sort or write a script in your favorite language to do what you want with the output. I do the latter. Script took 15 or 20 minutes to write and test. - the response times of svnweb.freebsd.org are nearly unbearable, at least from my small european village, Can't comment since I'll admit that I am pretty close to the source. I certainly expect more mirrors to appear fairly soon. Two is not enough. And svnweb.freebsd.org is not the best place to go from Europe. Set it to use svn://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org and things should improve. (Actually, snvweb is not a good place for anyone to go. It is the web server for svn, but is not the direct source. us-west and us-east are. - the disk usage more than doubled, but GBytes are cheap as say those who do not pay with their own wallet, - my backups take now a too lnnnggg time svn should add about 85% to 100% to the storage required. My /usr/src for 9-stable went from about .9G to about 1.8G. Certainly csup used less space for its metadata, but I don't see this as a huge issue. And I do pay from my own wallet. I have a 750 GB system disk on this system and adding 1G is just not that big a deal. If you are seeing substantially more spec uded, sounds like something is wrong. I am assuming that you are NOT mirroring the archive. That would be like mirroring CVS, not using csup and would use LOT more space. As to backup time, it should be about proportional to the size of the backup, so adding 1G should increase backup time by less than a minute assuming a modern, local disk as the backup device. And, since you can download the source and ports trees any time you want, it's really not necessary to back it up, but many backup systems may limit the ability to not back it up. I do back up mine, though I could exclude it. Perharps des@ svnsup project will succeed but there not seems to be much activity. As an addon, according to lists.freebsd.org, svn-ports have not been updated since more than a day... And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. I know, but: - there are no more official snapshots on freebsd.org - anybody enquiring about it on the lists is directed to allbsd.org - the recently created snapshots.glenbarber.us is much more limited Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:04:22PM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. I know, but: - there are no more official snapshots on freebsd.org This is a problem, and for what it is worth (and as Mark mentioned in a previous reply), the end goal is official snapshots. - anybody enquiring about it on the lists is directed to allbsd.org For clarification purposes, my goal is _not_ to compete with allbsd.org (in case anyone sees it that way), but to provide an alternative location for snapshots. - the recently created snapshots.glenbarber.us is much more limited May I ask what it is that is limiting? If there is some limitation, I certainly will do what I can to address it. Right now, the limitations I am already aware of are: - Lack of varying ranges of dates of snapshots to download. This is really due to lack of space on the machine these snapshots are hosted to hold much more than 3 days of snapshots. - Lack of snapshots for the stable/8 branch. I'm working on this, and differences (infrastructurally) in how the release builds work between stable/9 and stable/8 are trickier than I originally anticipated to work around. I have local patches to the release build script in -CURRENT that I have been testing to make legacy release builds do the right thing, and have had some success with my changes, but I am not yet comfortable committing them just yet. Having said that, I will not upload snapshot images that I am not sure are okay to use. As mentioned in my original email, I certainly do welcome feedback. I certainly will do what I can to address any issues and/or limitations. Glen pgpy0wfjbpUnS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 11/10/2012 00:40, Glen Barber wrote: This is a problem, and for what it is worth (and as Mark mentioned in a previous reply), the end goal is official snapshots. I think a lot of people will be wondering what's special about _your_ snapshots that they'll become official - why not just make pub.allbsd.org the official source? -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:47:32AM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: On 11/10/2012 00:40, Glen Barber wrote: This is a problem, and for what it is worth (and as Mark mentioned in a previous reply), the end goal is official snapshots. I think a lot of people will be wondering what's special about _your_ snapshots that they'll become official The answer is simple. Nothing. We're all on the same team here. why not just make pub.allbsd.org the official source? Because offloading official snapshots to third-party sites (any third-party site) rather than doing the work ourselves is the wrong solution. Glen pgpfZJbFUXGVm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:33:57 +0200, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Claude Buisson clbuis...@orange.fr wrote: - I had to install a complete VCS I have no (other) need of, Unfortunate, but not hugely significant (Just a bit of disk space). I think it is rather significant: pkg_info -r subv* Information for subversion-1.7.2: Depends on: Dependency: expat-2.0.1_2 Dependency: pkg-config-0.25_1 Dependency: sqlite3-3.7.9_1 Dependency: gdbm-1.9.1 Dependency: db42-4.2.52_5 Dependency: libiconv-1.13.1_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18.1.1 Dependency: neon29-0.29.6_4 Dependency: apr-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12_1 Opposed to only needing csup before, that's quite a bit of an install, and I may very well not need any of these for anything else. I do see the point of abandoning cvs, but I don't consider it a minor change. Michael ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:02:40AM +0200, Michael Ross wrote: - I had to install a complete VCS I have no (other) need of, Unfortunate, but not hugely significant (Just a bit of disk space). I think it is rather significant: FWIW, you can compile the svn binary elsewhere, statically linked, and save the dependency problem by copying the resulting binary around. I do this on many machines, and even have a static svn binary in /root/bin as a fallback in case things blow up badly and I cannot access /usr/local. (I also do the same thing with the pkgng pkg-static binary...) Glen pgp5uu6hcqIM4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 10/11/2012 01:33, Kevin Oberman wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Claude Buissonclbuis...@orange.fr wrote: On 10/10/2012 14:46, Jakub Lach wrote: Any questions and suggestions are welcome. Contact h...@freebsd.org. But good catch, if your reasoning is indeed correct. Honestly, my message was also a test about the current state of the svn to cvs gateway. Is it down without nobody taking care ? or have it been killed without a proper announcement ? I have migrated to svn, and I enjoy the following benefits: - I had to install a complete VCS I have no (other) need of, Unfortunate, but not hugely significant (Just a bit of disk space). bit of disk space is your opinion, not mine. Bloat seems to be the norm, even for FreeBSD.. We are in the XXIth century isn't it ? - compared to cvsup, the svn update logs are too terse, and need to be sorted, Pipe the output into sort or write a script in your favorite language to do what you want with the output. I do the latter. Script took 15 or 20 minutes to write and test. Thank you for your advice, but I have already done that days ago.. But the log are not more detailed. - the response times of svnweb.freebsd.org are nearly unbearable, at least from my small european village, Can't comment since I'll admit that I am pretty close to the source. I certainly expect more mirrors to appear fairly soon. Two is not enough. And svnweb.freebsd.org is not the best place to go from Europe. Set it to use svn://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org and things should improve. (Actually, snvweb is not a good place for anyone to go. It is the web server for svn, but is not the direct source. us-west and us-east are. I do not speak about the svn repo here (I have used from the start us-east), but the ViewVC hosted by svnweb, which gives the equivalent of cvsweb.cgi: the history of commits, etc. - the disk usage more than doubled, but GBytes are cheap as say those who do not pay with their own wallet, - my backups take now a too lnnnggg time svn should add about 85% to 100% to the storage required. My /usr/src for 9-stable went from about .9G to about 1.8G. Certainly csup used less space for its metadata, but I don't see this as a huge issue. And I do pay from my own wallet. I have a 750 GB system disk on this system and adding 1G is just not that big a deal. If you are seeing substantially more spec uded, sounds like something is wrong. I am assuming that you are NOT mirroring the archive. That would be like mirroring CVS, not using csup and would use LOT more space. svn keeps a pristine copy of every file in .svn/pristine, plus .svn/wc.db. And you are richer than I. As to backup time, it should be about proportional to the size of the backup, so adding 1G should increase backup time by less than a minute assuming a modern, local disk as the backup device. And, since you can download the source and ports trees any time you want, it's really not necessary to back it up, but many backup systems may limit the ability to not back it up. I do back up mine, though I could exclude it. I think you are in a place where bandwith is easily available, but as I said in my small european village bandwith may be scare. So I took the (bad ?) habit of not take for granted the possibility of downloading source (and distfiles) just when I need it. And I backup what I have. Doing tar.xz on Atom to an USB drive is not very quick, and a P4 + NFS to the same disk is not really better. The XXIth century is not really different from the XXth, even in so called advanced countries. And every one has his own way of working, depending of history, context, etc. I can easily understand that developpers are happy to switch to new tools, but the question is: do FreeBSD developpers care a bit about non developpers, and take into account the real world, which is not only made of large cities, fiber optics networks, powerful servers in large data centers (BTW, I previously lived in a large city, installed fiber optics in the premices, and worked in the data center of an big engineering company..) ? Perharps des@ svnsup project will succeed but there not seems to be much activity. As an addon, according to lists.freebsd.org, svn-ports have not been updated since more than a day... And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. I know, but: - there are no more official snapshots on freebsd.org - anybody enquiring about it on the lists is directed to allbsd.org - the recently created snapshots.glenbarber.us is much more limited Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 10/11/2012 01:40, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:04:22PM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: And for the record, they are NOT official snapshots. I know, but: - there are no more official snapshots on freebsd.org This is a problem, and for what it is worth (and as Mark mentioned in a previous reply), the end goal is official snapshots. - anybody enquiring about it on the lists is directed to allbsd.org For clarification purposes, my goal is _not_ to compete with allbsd.org (in case anyone sees it that way), but to provide an alternative location for snapshots. - the recently created snapshots.glenbarber.us is much more limited May I ask what it is that is limiting? If there is some limitation, I certainly will do what I can to address it. Right now, the limitations I am already aware of are: - Lack of varying ranges of dates of snapshots to download. This is really due to lack of space on the machine these snapshots are hosted to hold much more than 3 days of snapshots. - Lack of snapshots for the stable/8 branch. I'm working on this, and differences (infrastructurally) in how the release builds work between stable/9 and stable/8 are trickier than I originally anticipated to work around. I have local patches to the release build script in -CURRENT that I have been testing to make legacy release builds do the right thing, and have had some success with my changes, but I am not yet comfortable committing them just yet. Having said that, I will not upload snapshot images that I am not sure are okay to use. You said it, I have nothing to add. As mentioned in my original email, I certainly do welcome feedback. I certainly will do what I can to address any issues and/or limitations. Do not misinterpret my mail: I really think that your work is useful. And unofficial snapshots are always better than noexistent official ones. Glen Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 10/11/2012 02:09, Glen Barber wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:02:40AM +0200, Michael Ross wrote: - I had to install a complete VCS I have no (other) need of, Unfortunate, but not hugely significant (Just a bit of disk space). I think it is rather significant: FWIW, you can compile the svn binary elsewhere, statically linked, and save the dependency problem by copying the resulting binary around. Lucky people who have an elsewhere. And the static binary is as much bloated than the dynamic ones. Compare it with this poor csup, which gave great services for a small price. I do this on many machines, and even have a static svn binary in /root/bin as a fallback in case things blow up badly and I cannot access /usr/local. (I also do the same thing with the pkgng pkg-static binary...) Glen Claude Buisson ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Claude Buisson clbuis...@orange.fr wrote: I can easily understand that developpers are happy to switch to new tools, but the question is: do FreeBSD developpers care a bit about non developpers, and FreeBSD developers are required to keep their development systems and tools with the needs of non-developers as the primary requirement? -- brandon s allbery kf8nh sine nomine associates allber...@gmail.com ballb...@sinenomine.net unix/linux, openafs, kerberos, infrastructure http://sinenomine.net ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:28:05AM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: - the recently created snapshots.glenbarber.us is much more limited May I ask what it is that is limiting? If there is some limitation, I certainly will do what I can to address it. Right now, the limitations I am already aware of are: [...] You said it, I have nothing to add. Thank you for clarifying. Hopefully within the next few days, I'll have the stable/8 snapshot building issue fixed.[1] The space issue, right now, is a bit out of my control at the moment. [1] For reference on why the stable/8 snapshots are a problem for me, I am building all snapshots on a single 64-bit machine. The normal magic used by the release build script on -CURRENT does not work out-of-box because additional make(1) flags are required and/or incompatible with the flags for the stable/9 and head/ branches. As mentioned in my original email, I certainly do welcome feedback. I certainly will do what I can to address any issues and/or limitations. Do not misinterpret my mail: I really think that your work is useful. No misinterpretation at all. I appreciate the feedback. Glen pgpMrkXA43TS5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:34:56AM +0200, Claude Buisson wrote: FWIW, you can compile the svn binary elsewhere, statically linked, and save the dependency problem by copying the resulting binary around. Lucky people who have an elsewhere. And the static binary is as much bloated than the dynamic ones. Compare it with this poor csup, which gave great services for a small price. Agreed on all counts. For what it is worth, my response was really geared with the mindset of having a cluster of machines to administer, where having the extra (sometimes unnecessary) dependencies of svn are not ideal and/or can conflict with other software. As mentioned in today's earlier announcement for 9.1-RC2, however, CVS backporting from SVN will continue to be done for the stable/9 branch. Hopefully that buys some time for svnup to become reality. Glen pgp5qBGIEgJBQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
Quoth Brandon Allbery allber...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Claude Buisson clbuis...@orange.fr wrote: I can easily understand that developpers are happy to switch to new tools, but the question is: do FreeBSD developpers care a bit about non developpers, and FreeBSD developers are required to keep their development systems and tools with the needs of non-developers as the primary requirement? We're not talking about the systems used for development, but the systems used for distribution of the OS to users. Development moved away from CVS a long time ago, but the mirrors were kept so that users could keep using csup. If 'you' (FSVO) want to drop the mirrors, for obvious reasons, it would be helpful to the rest of us if some alternative could be provided which is functionally equivalent. I am given to understand, but have not yet tested, that freebsd-update can be used to update just the 'src' component. If this works reliably (and doesn't mess anything else up in a built-from-source system), it seems like a good answer to me, at least for those tracking -RELEASE branches rather than -STABLE. One solution to this dilemma might be to just document that as the officially-supported way to obtain the source. Ben ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
FreeBSD/arm and FreeBSD/mips will be added soon!. https://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/ -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-10-CURRENT-and-9-STABLE-snapshots-tp5749922p5750424.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
great! thanks very much! 2012/10/9 Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl FreeBSD/arm and FreeBSD/mips will be added soon!. https://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/ -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-10-CURRENT-and-9-STABLE-snapshots-tp5749922p5750424.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Would be better if there is ARM and MIPS build too since we already have ARMV6 branch merged to HEAD ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 04:29:45PM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote: It would be nice to have them hosted on FreeBSD.org site as official source. I agree 100%. Unofficial snapshots can be downloaded from https://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/ for a long time (bootonly.iso too) I am not sure how the bootonly.iso for -CURRENT and -STABLE can point to a non-FreeBSD FTP site without patching the source prior to the release build. If there is a clean way to do this without modifying the src/ tree prior to the build phase, I am happy to also provide bootonly.iso images and the necessary hierarchy for the various distribution sets. Glen pgpdXSzDncWIb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
Am 10/06/12 03:32, schrieb Bruce Cran: On 05/10/2012 15:29, Miroslav Lachman wrote: Unofficial snapshots can be downloaded from https://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/ for a long time (bootonly.iso too) I'm baffled as to why those aren't just made official. Since a couple of time for now, the links shown on the official webpage target into void. it would be easy to replace the great void with a link to a third party with the note that it is a third party. oh signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
Hi, A number of FreeBSD users have displayed interest in the availability and testing of -STABLE and -CURRENT snapshot releases. I have been working on generating snapshots regularly, and now would like to announce their availability for those interested in testing. Please note, as always with the -STABLE and -CURRENT branches, these snapshots are not intended for production systems. The snapshots available are: - 10.0-CURRENT amd64 - 10.0-CURRENT i386 - 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 - 9.1-PRERELEASE i386 Note that the 9.1-PRERELEASE snapshots are the stable/9 branch, not what will eventually be 9.1-RELEASE. I do not yet have snapshots for the 8-STABLE branch, but am working on the magic to make that happen as well. There are also no bootonly ISOs, since the necessary distribution sets are not available on the FreeBSD FTP servers, so I cannot direct the installer to a different location very easily. The URL for the snapshots is: https://snapshots.glenbarber.us/Latest/ The SHA256 of the xz(1)-compressed install medium follows, and is also included in a plain-text file on the site. FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-amd64-memstick.xz = 8779f5925cb903c64d647392f6af825d5e74019d6d13222045d69091b03a81ff FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-amd64-release.iso.xz = cc3934c947563c23f92ba1cd8ca7ded3999dfbc050e2b2647c294e442f267040 FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-i386-memstick.xz = 9eb7ff8e28c0c524d2794828acb601b9b7079c1d00017e3bf84b974ff4412e42 FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-i386-release.iso.xz = 0d1334fea13e16cb0d06a3f3c3fb7b0e1223baf06a06a889a6cffa6981348ae5 FreeBSD-9.1-PRERELEASE-amd64-memstick.xz = f5f1e7acbaaac6eb61c5194199eb6ef090af242efc9808dc1af5caeee126e15e FreeBSD-9.1-PRERELEASE-amd64-release.iso.xz = 0cfa5b258428741e0345b29eed241188d5944fcb15a70b079d39d56195f0 FreeBSD-9.1-PRERELEASE-i386-memstick.xz = 4e98ffe63b186b0e26f22c3ddfb0582019bf352d1ea39da2757817c809872b67 FreeBSD-9.1-PRERELEASE-i386-release.iso.xz = 0bce6f2a9626705484ff7cac18623f714e289ef6ddc0b6199d78eba37ded2ca4 The Latest directory on the site will always point to the latest batch of snapshots, which right now my goal is to regenerate every few days (I do not have a definitive timeframe in mind yet). I hope these are useful to the FreeBSD community. Feedback on this is welcome, as always. Cheers, Glen PS: Please report any issues regarding downloading to me directly. pgpXSdNJRWeLz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 2012/10/05 21:51, Glen Barber wrote: Hi, A number of FreeBSD users have displayed interest in the availability and testing of -STABLE and -CURRENT snapshot releases. I have been working on generating snapshots regularly, and now would like to announce their availability for those interested in testing. Please note, as always with the -STABLE and -CURRENT branches, these snapshots are not intended for production systems. The snapshots available are: - 10.0-CURRENT amd64 - 10.0-CURRENT i386 - 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 - 9.1-PRERELEASE i386 Note that the 9.1-PRERELEASE snapshots are the stable/9 branch, not what will eventually be 9.1-RELEASE. I do not yet have snapshots for the 8-STABLE branch, but am working on the magic to make that happen as well. There are also no bootonly ISOs, since the necessary distribution sets are not available on the FreeBSD FTP servers, so I cannot direct the installer to a different location very easily. The URL for the snapshots is: https://snapshots.glenbarber.us/Latest/ The SHA256 of the xz(1)-compressed install medium follows, and is also included in a plain-text file on the site. FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-amd64-memstick.xz = 8779f5925cb903c64d647392f6af825d5e74019d6d13222045d69091b03a81ff FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-amd64-release.iso.xz = cc3934c947563c23f92ba1cd8ca7ded3999dfbc050e2b2647c294e442f267040 FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-i386-memstick.xz = 9eb7ff8e28c0c524d2794828acb601b9b7079c1d00017e3bf84b974ff4412e42 FreeBSD-10.0-CURRENT-i386-release.iso.xz = 0d1334fea13e16cb0d06a3f3c3fb7b0e1223baf06a06a889a6cffa6981348ae5 FreeBSD-9.1-PRERELEASE-amd64-memstick.xz = f5f1e7acbaaac6eb61c5194199eb6ef090af242efc9808dc1af5caeee126e15e FreeBSD-9.1-PRERELEASE-amd64-release.iso.xz = 0cfa5b258428741e0345b29eed241188d5944fcb15a70b079d39d56195f0 FreeBSD-9.1-PRERELEASE-i386-memstick.xz = 4e98ffe63b186b0e26f22c3ddfb0582019bf352d1ea39da2757817c809872b67 FreeBSD-9.1-PRERELEASE-i386-release.iso.xz = 0bce6f2a9626705484ff7cac18623f714e289ef6ddc0b6199d78eba37ded2ca4 The Latest directory on the site will always point to the latest batch of snapshots, which right now my goal is to regenerate every few days (I do not have a definitive timeframe in mind yet). I hope these are useful to the FreeBSD community. Feedback on this is welcome, as always. Cheers, Glen PS: Please report any issues regarding downloading to me directly. Good idea! :-) Could it be used in freebsd-update? Cheers, Mike ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 09:56:39PM +0800, Mike Manilone wrote: A number of FreeBSD users have displayed interest in the availability and testing of -STABLE and -CURRENT snapshot releases. Good idea! :-) Could it be used in freebsd-update? Currently, no. The freebsd-update(8) utility is something I have been meaning to look into. Glen pgpWPNYGozWSO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
Glen Barber wrote: Hi, A number of FreeBSD users have displayed interest in the availability and testing of -STABLE and -CURRENT snapshot releases. I have been working on generating snapshots regularly, and now would like to announce their availability for those interested in testing. Please note, as always with the -STABLE and -CURRENT branches, these snapshots are not intended for production systems. The snapshots available are: - 10.0-CURRENT amd64 - 10.0-CURRENT i386 - 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 - 9.1-PRERELEASE i386 Note that the 9.1-PRERELEASE snapshots are the stable/9 branch, not what will eventually be 9.1-RELEASE. I do not yet have snapshots for the 8-STABLE branch, but am working on the magic to make that happen as well. There are also no bootonly ISOs, since the necessary distribution sets are not available on the FreeBSD FTP servers, so I cannot direct the installer to a different location very easily. The URL for the snapshots is: https://snapshots.glenbarber.us/Latest/ It would be nice to have them hosted on FreeBSD.org site as official source. Unofficial snapshots can be downloaded from https://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/ for a long time (bootonly.iso too) Miroslav Lachman ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots
On 05/10/2012 15:29, Miroslav Lachman wrote: Unofficial snapshots can be downloaded from https://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/ for a long time (bootonly.iso too) I'm baffled as to why those aren't just made official. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
