Re: Question: /usr/sbin/pkg vs /usr/local/sbin/pkg in 9.1
On 27/12/2012 10:38, Dimitry Andric wrote: > On 2012-12-27 11:35, David Demelier wrote: >> On 27/12/2012 11:02, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>> pkgng is not in base and there are no plans to import it. If you are >>> going to use pkgng then you need to install it, either from ports or by >>> using the /usr/sbin/pkg shim to install from a pkgng package. >> Why there is no plan to import it? > Because pkgng is developed independently from the base system. As soon > as you put a copy of it in base, it is no longer independent. :-) Which somewhat begs the question as to why pkgng is developed independently of the base system. That is for entirely pragmatic reasons: there are rules about what you can change in the lifetime of a FreeBSD major or minor release. Which for a project of the scope of pkgng would basically mean taking many years to develop and adopt it. This is one of the sticking points that has effectively stymied development of pkg_tools over the years. By keeping pkgng out of the base we get: * Exactly the same version of pkgng for all current versions of FreeBSD -- which is important, as it means port maintainers can generally rely on solving problems one time for all versions. * The ability to develop pkgng at as rapid a pace as we can maintain. -- there is still a large amount of new functionality yet to be introduced, particularly the dependency solver, which will be quite revolutionary when it comes in. * Related to the above, we have been able to arbitrarily declare that the libpkg.so API will not be stabilized until pkg-2.0 is released. -- again, purely pragmatic and to enable as rapid development as possible. Despite this, we anticipate that there are changes to pkgng and pkgng-related changes to the ports which we won't be able to introduce until around April 2014 and the EoL of 8.3-RELEASE, which will be the last pre-pkgng release to go and hence the earliest date at which pkg_tools support can be entirely ceased. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question: /usr/sbin/pkg vs /usr/local/sbin/pkg in 9.1
On 2012-12-27 11:35, David Demelier wrote: On 27/12/2012 11:02, Matthew Seaman wrote: ... pkgng is not in base and there are no plans to import it. If you are going to use pkgng then you need to install it, either from ports or by using the /usr/sbin/pkg shim to install from a pkgng package. Why there is no plan to import it? Because pkgng is developed independently from the base system. As soon as you put a copy of it in base, it is no longer independent. :-) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Question: /usr/sbin/pkg vs /usr/local/sbin/pkg in 9.1
On 27/12/2012 11:02, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 27/12/2012 09:44, Rainer Duffner wrote: as I see it, pkgng is actually included in 9.1 as /usr/sbin/pkg, right? /usr/sbin/pkg and /usr/local/sbin/pkg are very different. /usr/local/sbin/pkg is a binary package management system. /usr/sbin/pkg is a shim that can bootstrap the installation of /usr/local/sbin/pkg if it is not already installed, or that invokes /usr/local/sbin/pkg preserving the rest of the command line otherwise. Is there a way to say "I have the pkg tool in base already"? pkgng is not in base and there are no plans to import it. If you are going to use pkgng then you need to install it, either from ports or by using the /usr/sbin/pkg shim to install from a pkgng package. Why there is no plan to import it? Or is the pkg in base supposed to just install the pkgng from ports? Indirectly. /usr/sbin/pkg installs from a pre-compiled tarball, which is generated from the ports-mgmt/pkg port. Cheers, Matthew Cheers, David ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Question: /usr/sbin/pkg vs /usr/local/sbin/pkg in 9.1
On 27/12/2012 09:44, Rainer Duffner wrote: > as I see it, pkgng is actually included in 9.1 as /usr/sbin/pkg, right? /usr/sbin/pkg and /usr/local/sbin/pkg are very different. /usr/local/sbin/pkg is a binary package management system. /usr/sbin/pkg is a shim that can bootstrap the installation of /usr/local/sbin/pkg if it is not already installed, or that invokes /usr/local/sbin/pkg preserving the rest of the command line otherwise. > Is there a way to say "I have the pkg tool in base already"? pkgng is not in base and there are no plans to import it. If you are going to use pkgng then you need to install it, either from ports or by using the /usr/sbin/pkg shim to install from a pkgng package. > Or is the pkg in base supposed to just install the pkgng from ports? Indirectly. /usr/sbin/pkg installs from a pre-compiled tarball, which is generated from the ports-mgmt/pkg port. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Question: /usr/sbin/pkg vs /usr/local/sbin/pkg in 9.1
Hi, as I see it, pkgng is actually included in 9.1 as /usr/sbin/pkg, right? But when I define WITH_PKGNG=yes in /etc/make.conf the ports-system wants to install the pkgng-package (because it looks for pkgng in /usr/local/sbin). Is there a way to say "I have the pkg tool in base already"? Or is the pkg in base supposed to just install the pkgng from ports? Best Regards, Rainer ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
