RE: 5.4 install disc1 will not find hard drive

2005-05-15 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

PR i386/81082

Once again, I don't think the problem is in the build process they used
for making the ISO.  As a matter of fact I just yesterday did a 5.4
install
on a system, booting from CD, which I burned from disc1.iso that I
downloaded
from one of the FTP mirrors, on the one machine I mentioned in the PR
that didn't have a problem.

I think the problem is in the driver.  If you go to the CVS tree it
is obvious that they have been dealing with these issues. For example,
check out comments like "Fix more ATAPI breakage. Apparently some devices
are very picky on details :)" made just 2 days ago, see here:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/

You also might consider that according to the device driver output your
running
a 40pin non-UDMA cable on what looks like a UDMA drive, which is a
no-no, it might simply be a cabling issue with bad cables in your system.
If you really do have an 80 pin cable then try exchanging it with another
one, and remember, the blue connector goes to the adapter card, the black
connector to the drive, and the grey to the secondary drive, if there is
one.

I don't have any more pull getting PR's worked on, but I have found
that if they are properly filed then they get worked on faster.  For
example,
the PR system isn't an appropriate place for complaining that a mirror
site
is missing miniinst.iso file - you should contact the mirror
administrator
of the mirror in question, directly.  And you might also consider that
there
is a 20MB file named 5.4-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso in the release
directory -
see for example:

ftp://ftp13.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.4/

and that there IS NOT a miniinst.iso file in the master FTP location,
see:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.4/

I would guess maybe they renamed it?

Also, you cannot assume a mirror site is going to have a good copy of
stable
anyway.  You can only assume mirrors are going to be accurate for
RELEASES,
as there's always propagation time from when changes are made.  If your
traking snapshots you should be using
ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/


Ted



Ted

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> > Power management and APIC have been bios disabled since
> > version FreeBSD 3.4
> > version so that is not the problem. I tried selecting safe
> > option to boot
> > and still get same error 'no hard disk found".   My hard drive
> > is an western
> > digital 310100 on ata0 as master. When using this 5.4 install
> > cd on other
> > pc/ motherboard/ hard drive combos I get same error.
> >
> > I think there is something wrong with the build process of the
> > disc1.iso
> > file.
>
> I don't think there is anything wrong with the build process of
> disc1.iso.  I think instead that someone made a change in the atapi
> driver that broke this.
>
> I have a Intel Desktop Motherboard VC820 that this exact thing
> happened
> to.  In my case, I fortunately was running a Hipoint RAID card in it
> so
> the only thing that got wacked was the system now does not recognize
> that there is a CDROM on the secondary onboard IDE controller.  Last
> week I had it running FreeBSD 4.11 just fine.  (not on the RAID
> controller)
>
> I had assumed that using the RAID controller made it so that the
> onboard
> ATAPI controller had some problem, but after seeing this post it is
> clear
> that they broke the driver.
>
> DO you want to file a PR or should I?
>
> Ted
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 12:38 AM
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> Ted.
>
> I filed a PR on the missing miniinst.iso file.
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=80861
>
> And it's not been addressed yet.  So if you have some pull
> in getting PR's worked on then you should file the PR on this
> problem.
> As I see this, it's a show stopper in distributing 5.4 stable and
> needs
> to be addressed immediately because all the mirror FTP sit

RE: 5.4 install disc1 will not find hard drive

2005-05-15 Thread fbsd_user





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>
> Power management and APIC have been bios disabled since
> version FreeBSD 3.4
> version so that is not the problem. I tried selecting safe
> option to boot
> and still get same error 'no hard disk found".   My hard drive
> is an western
> digital 310100 on ata0 as master. When using this 5.4 install
> cd on other
> pc/ motherboard/ hard drive combos I get same error.
>
> I think there is something wrong with the build process of the
> disc1.iso
> file.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the build process of
disc1.iso.  I think instead that someone made a change in the atapi
driver that broke this.

I have a Intel Desktop Motherboard VC820 that this exact thing
happened
to.  In my case, I fortunately was running a Hipoint RAID card in it
so
the only thing that got wacked was the system now does not recognize
that there is a CDROM on the secondary onboard IDE controller.  Last
week I had it running FreeBSD 4.11 just fine.  (not on the RAID
controller)

I had assumed that using the RAID controller made it so that the
onboard
ATAPI controller had some problem, but after seeing this post it is
clear
that they broke the driver.

DO you want to file a PR or should I?

Ted


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From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 12:38 AM
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Subject: RE: 5.4 install disc1 will not find hard drive


Ted.

I filed a PR on the missing miniinst.iso file.
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=80861

And it's not been addressed yet.  So if you have some pull
in getting PR's worked on then you should file the PR on this
problem.
As I see this, it's a show stopper in distributing 5.4 stable and
needs
to be addressed immediately because all the mirror FTP sites are
populated with non-functional disc1 iso files.

Here are some more details from the boot of disc1.

The btx loader issues this messages
bios drive C: is disk1

and near the end of the boot messages I get

ata1-master: pio=0x0c wdma=0x22 udma=0x42 cable=40pin
ata1-master; setting pio4 on VIA 82C596B chip

Please send me the PR number after you report this so I can track
it.

Thanks







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RE: 5.4 install disc1 will not find hard drive

2005-05-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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>
> Power management and APIC have been bios disabled since
> version FreeBSD 3.4
> version so that is not the problem. I tried selecting safe
> option to boot
> and still get same error 'no hard disk found".   My hard drive
> is an western
> digital 310100 on ata0 as master. When using this 5.4 install
> cd on other
> pc/ motherboard/ hard drive combos I get same error.
>
> I think there is something wrong with the build process of the
> disc1.iso
> file.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the build process of
disc1.iso.  I think instead that someone made a change in the atapi
driver that broke this.

I have a Intel Desktop Motherboard VC820 that this exact thing happened
to.  In my case, I fortunately was running a Hipoint RAID card in it so
the only thing that got wacked was the system now does not recognize
that there is a CDROM on the secondary onboard IDE controller.  Last
week I had it running FreeBSD 4.11 just fine.  (not on the RAID
controller)

I had assumed that using the RAID controller made it so that the onboard
ATAPI controller had some problem, but after seeing this post it is clear
that they broke the driver.

DO you want to file a PR or should I?

Ted

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Re: 5.4 install disc1 will not find hard drive

2005-05-14 Thread Doug White
On Sat, 14 May 2005, fbsd_user wrote:

> I have seen this problem on the questions list since 5.0 first can out as
> development version. Here 5.4 is now stable release and this problem is
> still not fixed. I have been using the same pc to test installing stable
> versions from miniinst.iso every version since 3.4 without any problems.
> Even 5.3-miniinst.iso worked just 2 weeks ago. The 5.4 stable does not have
> a miniinst.iso file so this time I used the disc1.iso to burn the install cd
> from and when booting from this cd I now get no hard drive found message
> from sysinstall (standard install) menu. This sure looks very strange to me
> as I can put in the cd burned from the 5.3-miniinst.iso file and the system
> installs just fine. Only difference is using disc1 this time. Even though
> the md5 CHECKSUM matched I downloaded and reburned disc1.iso again just to
> verify it was good.

What hardware (motherboard, cpus, memory, etc.) are you using?

> Power management and APIC have been bios disabled since version FreeBSD 3.4
> version so that is not the problem. I tried selecting safe option to boot
> and still get same error 'no hard disk found".   My hard drive is an western
> digital 310100 on ata0 as master. When using this 5.4 install cd on other
> pc/ motherboard/ hard drive combos I get same error.

You can hit Scroll Lock and use the arrow keys or page up/down to look at
the boot messages. Near the bottom of the output should be the disk probe
-- this may have more details. If not, try booting and selecting the
"verbose boot" option.

> I think there is something wrong with the build process of the disc1.iso
> file. The miniinst.iso must be build using a different canned script that
> does not incorporated the bug that is in the disc1 build.   Maybe the .ISO
> builds team needs to take a look at this problem.

The only difference is the files included in the mkisofs run. The exact
same files are used.

> And to continue on with this thought  why does 5.4 NOT have a miniinst.iso
> file?

That's a good question :-) I didn't realize we hadn't made one.

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