Re: HZ in RELENG_5? tcp_subr.c related

2005-03-01 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 In 6-CURRENT, HZ is 1000 for amd64, i386, and ia64, but 100 for other
 platforms (i.e., ppc, arm, and alpha).

HZ is (and always was) 1024 on alpha.

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Re: HZ in RELENG_5? tcp_subr.c related

2005-02-22 Thread Robert Watson

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Emanuel Strobl wrote:

 I read this commit message to RELENG_5: 
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=436074+438355+/usr/local/www/db/text/2005/cvs-all/20050206.cvs-all
 and commented out the HZ=1000 line in my kernel config so I use the
 default.  But I see only 100 interrupts/sec on clk (with systat) so is
 it true that the default HZ has changed from 100 to 1000 in RELENG_5? 

In RELENG_5, the default HZ for amd64 is 1000, but for all other platforms
it is 100.  So amd64 users will see a ten-fold decrease in tcp_isn_tick()
running, but i386 (and other) users will see no change.

Robert N M Watson


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Re: HZ in RELENG_5? tcp_subr.c related

2005-02-22 Thread Kevin Oberman
 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:41:58 + (GMT)
 From: Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Emanuel Strobl wrote:
 
  I read this commit message to RELENG_5: 
  http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=436074+438355+/usr/local/www/db/text/2005/cvs-all/20050206.cvs-all
  and commented out the HZ=1000 line in my kernel config so I use the
  default.  But I see only 100 interrupts/sec on clk (with systat) so is
  it true that the default HZ has changed from 100 to 1000 in RELENG_5? 
 
 In RELENG_5, the default HZ for amd64 is 1000, but for all other platforms
 it is 100.  So amd64 users will see a ten-fold decrease in tcp_isn_tick()
 running, but i386 (and other) users will see no change.

Now that 5 is STABLE, I guess we are stuck with it, but in an era of
slow 2GHz systems, it seems like a questionable choice. I know that
there are a lot of folks running old hardware (like my trusty old K6),
but they are a minority and changing HZ is not a big deal. Why make the
majority live with 100 on fast systems or know enough to manually change
it?

Has there been discussion of changing this for V6 or is there a reason I
missed for keeping HZ at 100 in the iX86 platforms.
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Re: HZ in RELENG_5? tcp_subr.c related

2005-02-22 Thread Robert Watson

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Kevin Oberman wrote:

  In RELENG_5, the default HZ for amd64 is 1000, but for all other platforms
  it is 100.  So amd64 users will see a ten-fold decrease in tcp_isn_tick()
  running, but i386 (and other) users will see no change.
 
 Now that 5 is STABLE, I guess we are stuck with it, but in an era of
 slow 2GHz systems, it seems like a questionable choice. I know that
 there are a lot of folks running old hardware (like my trusty old K6),
 but they are a minority and changing HZ is not a big deal. Why make the
 majority live with 100 on fast systems or know enough to manually change
 it? 
 
 Has there been discussion of changing this for V6 or is there a reason I
 missed for keeping HZ at 100 in the iX86 platforms.

In 6-CURRENT, HZ is 1000 for amd64, i386, and ia64, but 100 for other
platforms (i.e., ppc, arm, and alpha).  I'm not opposed to merging the HZ
change to RELENG_5 at some point, but given that occasional nits, such as
the TCP nit, are turning up, I think it's worth waiting until after 5.4.

Robert N M Watson

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Re: HZ in RELENG_5? tcp_subr.c related

2005-02-22 Thread Kevin Oberman
 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:56:03 + (GMT)
 From: Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Kevin Oberman wrote:
 
   In RELENG_5, the default HZ for amd64 is 1000, but for all other platforms
   it is 100.  So amd64 users will see a ten-fold decrease in tcp_isn_tick()
   running, but i386 (and other) users will see no change.
  
  Now that 5 is STABLE, I guess we are stuck with it, but in an era of
  slow 2GHz systems, it seems like a questionable choice. I know that
  there are a lot of folks running old hardware (like my trusty old K6),
  but they are a minority and changing HZ is not a big deal. Why make the
  majority live with 100 on fast systems or know enough to manually change
  it? 
  
  Has there been discussion of changing this for V6 or is there a reason I
  missed for keeping HZ at 100 in the iX86 platforms.
 
 In 6-CURRENT, HZ is 1000 for amd64, i386, and ia64, but 100 for other
 platforms (i.e., ppc, arm, and alpha).  I'm not opposed to merging the HZ
 change to RELENG_5 at some point, but given that occasional nits, such as
 the TCP nit, are turning up, I think it's worth waiting until after 5.4.

Let's keep STABLE stable. If there are timing issues with HZ of 1000 in
V5, we clearly would not want to change before they are resolved.
Happily, I have not see these on my faster systems and have not
increased HZ on anything  1 GHz.

If I do see network problems, now I know another place to look, too.

Thanks!
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Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
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Re: HZ in RELENG_5? tcp_subr.c related

2005-02-22 Thread Ronald Klop
Just put something like this in /boot/loader.conf.
kern.hz=250
It works for me since a long time (freebsd 4 I think).
Ronald.
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:52:06 -0800, Kevin Oberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:56:03 + (GMT)
From: Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Kevin Oberman wrote:
  In RELENG_5, the default HZ for amd64 is 1000, but for all other  
platforms
  it is 100.  So amd64 users will see a ten-fold decrease in  
tcp_isn_tick()
  running, but i386 (and other) users will see no change.

 Now that 5 is STABLE, I guess we are stuck with it, but in an era of
 slow 2GHz systems, it seems like a questionable choice. I know that
 there are a lot of folks running old hardware (like my trusty old K6),
 but they are a minority and changing HZ is not a big deal. Why make  
the
 majority live with 100 on fast systems or know enough to manually  
change
 it?

 Has there been discussion of changing this for V6 or is there a  
reason I
 missed for keeping HZ at 100 in the iX86 platforms.

In 6-CURRENT, HZ is 1000 for amd64, i386, and ia64, but 100 for other
platforms (i.e., ppc, arm, and alpha).  I'm not opposed to merging the  
HZ
change to RELENG_5 at some point, but given that occasional nits, such  
as
the TCP nit, are turning up, I think it's worth waiting until after 5.4.
Let's keep STABLE stable. If there are timing issues with HZ of 1000 in
V5, we clearly would not want to change before they are resolved.
Happily, I have not see these on my faster systems and have not
increased HZ on anything  1 GHz.
If I do see network problems, now I know another place to look, too.
Thanks!

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Re: HZ in RELENG_5? tcp_subr.c related

2005-02-21 Thread Doug White
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Emanuel Strobl wrote:

 Dear all,

 I read this commit message to RELENG_5:
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=436074+438355+/usr/local/www/db/text/2005/cvs-all/20050206.cvs-all
 and commented out the HZ=1000 line in my kernel config so I use the default.
 But I see only 100 interrupts/sec on clk (with systat) so is it true that the
 default HZ has changed from 100 to 1000 in RELENG_5?

No.

FreeBSD dwstable.looksmart.com 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #73: Mon Feb
14 12:33:38 PST 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DWTEST  i386
dwstable,ttyp0,~,18sysctl kern.clockrate
kern.clockrate: { hz = 100, tick = 1, profhz = 1024, stathz = 128 }


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