Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 09:21:43PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:25:08PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > > r325665 is previos point and is good. > > > > > r331615 crashed. > > > > > Can I use some script for bisect? > > > > > > > > I'm not aware of a script for this. The only tool I've used is "git > > > > bisect", which is very handy if you're already familiar with git. > > > > > > You may want to try devel/p5-App-SVN-Bisect. Never used it, so > > > no idea if it's functional or helpful, just found it doing a quick > > > search > > > > It would be nice if this could be fixed, but it is the case. > > r328475 bad (tzdata) > r328469 in progress (kib, sys/vm) > r328463 in progress (don't touch kernel) > r328462 good > > I mean r328469 break KBI. This commit is basically required to avoid significant confusion between HEAD and stable code. Its absense might make other merges impossible or quite hard. In fact, my opinion is that the real bug is elsewere. We do provide vm_map_min/max KPI, but the KPI is not KBI-stable because it encodes struct vm_map layout into binaries which (correctly) use KPI instead of directly accessing struct vm_map. This should be fixed, I put the review https://reviews.freebsd.org/D14902 for it. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:25:08PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > r325665 is previos point and is good. > > > > r331615 crashed. > > > > Can I use some script for bisect? > > > > > > I'm not aware of a script for this. The only tool I've used is "git > > > bisect", which is very handy if you're already familiar with git. > > > > You may want to try devel/p5-App-SVN-Bisect. Never used it, so > > no idea if it's functional or helpful, just found it doing a quick > > search > > It would be nice if this could be fixed, but it is the case. r328475 bad (tzdata) r328469 in progress (kib, sys/vm) r328463 in progress (don't touch kernel) r328462 good I mean r328469 break KBI. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:38 AM, wrote: >> From: Kevin Oberman > >> Regardless of intent, updates to port based modules can and and will break >> when the kernel is updated. > > Are packages for pkg.freebsd.org built on -STABLE or latest -RELEASE? > > After 11.2 is released, if package for nvidia-driver > is installed or upgraded on a machine with 11.1-RELEASE, > will it crash the kernel? > > If the port nvidia-driver-304 is updated before 11.2 is released, > will `pkg upgrade` crash the kernel? Packages are built on the earliest supported release of a branch; never from the stable branch. These packages will be built from 11.1 until it goes EOL a couple months after 11.2 release. Breakage of packages from an earlier release of a branch is not ideal, so it would still be most helpful if someone could bissect this so that we can assess the breakage and figure out next steps before it becomes a bigger problem with the impending release. I've heard good things about the aforementioned devel/p5-App-SVN-Bisect for these purposes. Thanks, Kyle Evans ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
> From: Kevin Oberman > Regardless of intent, updates to port based modules can and and will break > when the kernel is updated. Are packages for pkg.freebsd.org built on -STABLE or latest -RELEASE? After 11.2 is released, if package for nvidia-driver is installed or upgraded on a machine with 11.1-RELEASE, will it crash the kernel? If the port nvidia-driver-304 is updated before 11.2 is released, will `pkg upgrade` crash the kernel? ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Gary Palmer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:16:49AM -0500, Eric van Gyzen wrote: > > On 03/28/2018 10:35, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:29:10AM -0500, Eric van Gyzen wrote: > > > > > >> On 03/28/2018 08:09, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > >>> I am upgrade system to latest -STABLE and now see kernel crash: > > >>> > > >>> - loading virtualbox modules build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 > > >>> - loading nvidia module build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 and start xdm > > >>> > > >>> Is this expected? I am mean about loading modules builded on > > >>> 11.1-RELEASE on any 11.1-STABLE. > > >> > > >> This is not expected. Can you bisect to find the stable/11 commit > that > > >> broke this? > > >> > > >> If you can roll back to 11.1-RELEASE, you could probably just > > >> buildkernel and installkernel from various points along stable/11. > That > > >> would save a lot of time by avoiding buildworld. > > > > > > r325665 is previos point and is good. > > > r331615 crashed. > > > Can I use some script for bisect? > > > > I'm not aware of a script for this. The only tool I've used is "git > > bisect", which is very handy if you're already familiar with git. > > You may want to try devel/p5-App-SVN-Bisect. Never used it, so > no idea if it's functional or helpful, just found it doing a quick > search > > Regards, > > Gary > ___ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > Regardless of intent, updates to port based modules can and and will break when the kernel is updated. lsof breaks quite often, as well. It touches things in the kernel that are intended for internal use only, so that is to be expected. I can't say that virtualbox-ose-kmod has had to be rebuilt because I put it into PORTS_MODULES a couple of years ago after having it fail on several occasions. Every time it gets broken again thee are lots of threads in STABLE like this one. It would be nice if this could be fixed, but it is the case. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:16:49AM -0500, Eric van Gyzen wrote: > On 03/28/2018 10:35, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:29:10AM -0500, Eric van Gyzen wrote: > > > >> On 03/28/2018 08:09, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > >>> I am upgrade system to latest -STABLE and now see kernel crash: > >>> > >>> - loading virtualbox modules build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 > >>> - loading nvidia module build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 and start xdm > >>> > >>> Is this expected? I am mean about loading modules builded on > >>> 11.1-RELEASE on any 11.1-STABLE. > >> > >> This is not expected. Can you bisect to find the stable/11 commit that > >> broke this? > >> > >> If you can roll back to 11.1-RELEASE, you could probably just > >> buildkernel and installkernel from various points along stable/11. That > >> would save a lot of time by avoiding buildworld. > > > > r325665 is previos point and is good. > > r331615 crashed. > > Can I use some script for bisect? > > I'm not aware of a script for this. The only tool I've used is "git > bisect", which is very handy if you're already familiar with git. You may want to try devel/p5-App-SVN-Bisect. Never used it, so no idea if it's functional or helpful, just found it doing a quick search Regards, Gary ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On 03/28/2018 10:35, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:29:10AM -0500, Eric van Gyzen wrote: > >> On 03/28/2018 08:09, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> I am upgrade system to latest -STABLE and now see kernel crash: >>> >>> - loading virtualbox modules build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 >>> - loading nvidia module build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 and start xdm >>> >>> Is this expected? I am mean about loading modules builded on >>> 11.1-RELEASE on any 11.1-STABLE. >> >> This is not expected. Can you bisect to find the stable/11 commit that >> broke this? >> >> If you can roll back to 11.1-RELEASE, you could probably just >> buildkernel and installkernel from various points along stable/11. That >> would save a lot of time by avoiding buildworld. > > r325665 is previos point and is good. > r331615 crashed. > Can I use some script for bisect? I'm not aware of a script for this. The only tool I've used is "git bisect", which is very handy if you're already familiar with git. Eric ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018, at 16:49, Stefan Esser wrote: > No, its not confusing at all, if you think about it ... ;-) The bit for me which was confusing is that the PORTS_MODULES reference, as Gregory correctly pointed out, is in the man page for make.conf and not src.conf. So one would think what the man page referenced would go into the file that pertaining to that manpage. The reason I've always had things like KERNCONF=KERNCONF1 GENERIC and PORTS_MODULES in src.conf is because I figured "if it gets built when base gets built then it must go in src.conf". So when Gregory mentioned it goes in make.conf, I thought perhaps I was doing it all wrong, or in an outdated way. I was surprised finding that in these contexts it didn't matter as long as one remembers as you say += ?= in make.conf -- John tech-li...@zyxst.net ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:30 +0100, John wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2018, at 15:20, Greg Byshenk wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 03:11:50PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: > > > > > > On 28/03/2018 14:39, Gregory Byshenk wrote: > > > > > > > > You can do this manually, or by adding a PORTS_MODULES line to > > > > /etc/make.conf. This will rebuild the listed modules from ports > > > > when you build a new kernel. > > > Are you sure it's in /etc/make.conf and not /etc/src.conf? > > No. But it is in the man page for make.conf and not src.conf. > yeah. That is... confusing! at least to me, because [I thought it would be] > src.conf that's consulted when src is built. So I ran a couple of tests and > found that it would work in either file HOWEVER if one ports module statement > was in src.conf and another, different ports module statement was in > make.conf, > that the one in src.conf would get built but the one in make.conf would not. > > how confusing is that. This is on 11.1-stable. > Make.conf is for building anything that uses make(1) and the build infrastructure in /usr/share/mk. Src.conf is for building the freebsd sources only. According to build(7), the freebsd sources include /usr/src, /usr/doc, and /usr/ports. So settings in both make.conf and src.conf affect ports builds. The difference appears when you use make to build your own software that isn't part of freebsd. For that, make.conf settings are applied, but not src.conf. At least, that's what the docs say. When I look at the .mk files in /usr/share/mk, it appears to me that src.conf gets used even for non-freebsd-source builds. When both files exist, variables set in src.conf will override same- named variables set in make.conf. Using VAR += value in both files will accumulate values into VAR rather than replacing them. -- Ian ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
Am 28.03.18 um 17:30 schrieb John: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2018, at 15:20, Greg Byshenk wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 03:11:50PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: >>> On 28/03/2018 14:39, Gregory Byshenk wrote: You can do this manually, or by adding a PORTS_MODULES line to /etc/make.conf. This will rebuild the listed modules from ports when you build a new kernel. >>> >>> Are you sure it's in /etc/make.conf and not /etc/src.conf? >> >> No. But it is in the man page for make.conf and not src.conf. > > yeah. That is... confusing! at least to me, because [I thought it would be] > src.conf that's consulted when src is built. So I ran a couple of tests and > found that it would work in either file HOWEVER if one ports module statement > was in src.conf and another, different ports module statement was in > make.conf, > that the one in src.conf would get built but the one in make.conf would not. > > how confusing is that. This is on 11.1-stable. No, its not confusing at all, if you think about it ... ;-) /etc/make.conf is included in any case, but kernel and world builds will include /etc/src.conf thereafter (and overwrite earlier settings read from make.conf, unless ?= is used to preserve the earlier value, or += to append the new values). Regards, STefan ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:29:10AM -0500, Eric van Gyzen wrote: > On 03/28/2018 08:09, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > I am upgrade system to latest -STABLE and now see kernel crash: > > > > - loading virtualbox modules build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 > > - loading nvidia module build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 and start xdm > > > > Is this expected? I am mean about loading modules builded on > > 11.1-RELEASE on any 11.1-STABLE. > > This is not expected. Can you bisect to find the stable/11 commit that > broke this? > > If you can roll back to 11.1-RELEASE, you could probably just > buildkernel and installkernel from various points along stable/11. That > would save a lot of time by avoiding buildworld. r325665 is previos point and is good. r331615 crashed. Can I use some script for bisect? ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018, at 15:20, Greg Byshenk wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 03:11:50PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: > > On 28/03/2018 14:39, Gregory Byshenk wrote: > > > You can do this manually, or by adding a PORTS_MODULES line to > > > /etc/make.conf. This will rebuild the listed modules from ports > > > when you build a new kernel. > > > > Are you sure it's in /etc/make.conf and not /etc/src.conf? > > No. But it is in the man page for make.conf and not src.conf. yeah. That is... confusing! at least to me, because [I thought it would be] src.conf that's consulted when src is built. So I ran a couple of tests and found that it would work in either file HOWEVER if one ports module statement was in src.conf and another, different ports module statement was in make.conf, that the one in src.conf would get built but the one in make.conf would not. how confusing is that. This is on 11.1-stable. -- John tech-li...@zyxst.net ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On 03/28/2018 08:09, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > I am upgrade system to latest -STABLE and now see kernel crash: > > - loading virtualbox modules build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 > - loading nvidia module build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 and start xdm > > Is this expected? I am mean about loading modules builded on > 11.1-RELEASE on any 11.1-STABLE. This is not expected. Can you bisect to find the stable/11 commit that broke this? If you can roll back to 11.1-RELEASE, you could probably just buildkernel and installkernel from various points along stable/11. That would save a lot of time by avoiding buildworld. Eric ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 05:13:48PM +0200, Gregory Byshenk wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 05:35:51PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 03:39:46PM +0200, Gregory Byshenk wrote: > > > > > > Did you rebuild your virtualbox and nvidia modules for your new > > > kernel? If you build a new kernel, then you need to rebuild any > > > modules that were installed from ports for the new version. > > > > Only for -CURRENT, not for -STABLE: > > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-all/2018-March/159649.html > > > > John Baldwin: "In theory we try to not break existing kernel > > modules on a stable branch. That is, one should be able to kldload an > > if_iwn.ko built on 11.0 on a 11-stable kernel." > > I understand that this is true for standard kernel modules, but > I have frequently run into problems loading _ports_ modules on > a new kernel - including in STABLE. This is general _kernel_ rule, for loading all modules, mostly for third-party modules. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 05:35:51PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 03:39:46PM +0200, Gregory Byshenk wrote: > > > > Did you rebuild your virtualbox and nvidia modules for your new > > kernel? If you build a new kernel, then you need to rebuild any > > modules that were installed from ports for the new version. > > Only for -CURRENT, not for -STABLE: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-all/2018-March/159649.html > > John Baldwin: "In theory we try to not break existing kernel > modules on a stable branch. That is, one should be able to kldload an > if_iwn.ko built on 11.0 on a 11-stable kernel." I understand that this is true for standard kernel modules, but I have frequently run into problems loading _ports_ modules on a new kernel - including in STABLE. -- gregory byshenk - gbysh...@byshenk.net - Leiden, NL ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 03:39:46PM +0200, Gregory Byshenk wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 04:09:04PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > I am upgrade system to latest -STABLE and now see kernel crash: > > > > - loading virtualbox modules build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 > > - loading nvidia module build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 and start xdm > > > > Is this expected? I am mean about loading modules builded on > > 11.1-RELEASE on any 11.1-STABLE. > > Did you rebuild your virtualbox and nvidia modules for your new > kernel? If you build a new kernel, then you need to rebuild any > modules that were installed from ports for the new version. Only for -CURRENT, not for -STABLE: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-all/2018-March/159649.html John Baldwin: "In theory we try to not break existing kernel modules on a stable branch. That is, one should be able to kldload an if_iwn.ko built on 11.0 on a 11-stable kernel." ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 03:11:50PM +0100, tech-lists wrote: > On 28/03/2018 14:39, Gregory Byshenk wrote: > > You can do this manually, or by adding a PORTS_MODULES line to > > /etc/make.conf. This will rebuild the listed modules from ports > > when you build a new kernel. > > Are you sure it's in /etc/make.conf and not /etc/src.conf? No. But it is in the man page for make.conf and not src.conf. -- gregory byshenk - gbysh...@byshenk.net - Leiden, NL ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On 28/03/2018 14:39, Gregory Byshenk wrote: > You can do this manually, or by adding a PORTS_MODULES line to > /etc/make.conf. This will rebuild the listed modules from ports > when you build a new kernel. Hi, Are you sure it's in /etc/make.conf and not /etc/src.conf? -- J. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 04:09:04PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > I am upgrade system to latest -STABLE and now see kernel crash: > > - loading virtualbox modules build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 > - loading nvidia module build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 and start xdm > > Is this expected? I am mean about loading modules builded on > 11.1-RELEASE on any 11.1-STABLE. Did you rebuild your virtualbox and nvidia modules for your new kernel? If you build a new kernel, then you need to rebuild any modules that were installed from ports for the new version. You can do this manually, or by adding a PORTS_MODULES line to /etc/make.conf. This will rebuild the listed modules from ports when you build a new kernel. I think this will do what you need (double-check that these are the right port names): PORTS_MODULES= emulators/virtualbox-ose-kmod x11/nvidia-driver -gregory -- gregory byshenk - gbysh...@byshenk.net - Leiden, NL ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KBI unexpexted change in stable/11 ?
> On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:09 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > I am upgrade system to latest -STABLE and now see kernel crash: > > - loading virtualbox modules build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 > - loading nvidia module build on 11.1-RELEASE-p6 and start xdm > > Is this expected? I am mean about loading modules builded on > 11.1-RELEASE on any 11.1-STABLE. I had a similar issue and it caused a kernel coredump I tracked the virtualbox issue to something in the vbox network module . Rebuilding it fixes it but I am not sure what broke . I have a kernel core dump if anyone wants a peak. --- Mark Saad | nones...@longcount.org > ___ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
