Re: Vinum vs. hardware RAID (was: RAID5)

2001-09-06 Thread Drew Derbyshire

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From: Gerd Knops [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Vinum vs. hardware RAID (was: RAID5)


 Jim C. Nasby wrote:
 
  On the same vein, is booting off of vinum in the works yet? I know
  it's been looked into... It seems that would be one of the biggest
  advantages that hardware raid has over vinum.
 
 For some definition of advantage that is.

Advantage: Automatic handling of drive failure.

 I view the / and /usr partitions as more or less static, and only put
 the partition containing user data on the RAID.

I also put my user data on a seperate file system, but that's not a reason
to avoid mirroring /usr.  I don't mirror / only because of the booting
issues.

Too many trivial configuration and status files go on / and /usr, not the
least of which is the passwd database.  Unless you have / and /usr mounted
as R/O, it's amazing how those creep file systems away from being the same
as the manual mirror.

 If something important
 changes in / or /usr, I mirror those to the backup disk manually. Now
 if any of those partitions gets corrupted beyond repair (or beyond the
 abilities of some remote operator), I simply have to swap the drives
 and am back in business. I think a setup like this is actually safer.

You're using manual mirroring to take the place of tape backups.   I believe
the two are separate functions.

Tape backups are cheaper and also automatic if you use AMANDA or whatever
you prefer.  Once you're backing up any sizable user data on RAID, putting /
and /usr on the tape is a minor incremental cost.


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Re: Vinum vs. hardware RAID (was: RAID5)

2001-09-06 Thread Fernan Aguero

+[ Adrian Wontroba ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) dijo sobre Re: Vinum vs. hardware RAID (was: 
+RAID5):
| 
| Disks are cheap, and capacities constantly expand.

Correction: IDE disks are cheap.

| Backup devices and media are expensive, wear out, and if they were big
| enough when you bought them, soon are not, leaving you with the pain of
| swapping media during backups.  Tape stackers etc are expensive.
|
| If you decide that what you really want to protect yourself against is
| disk failure, RAID becomes an attractive option.

As always, YMMV, but if you also want to protect from other things,
then having an external backup (tape, CD, removable hard disk) is
something that can save you _lots_ of trouble. 
Just imagine your machine compromised and having to reinstall
everything from scratch ... a mirroring RAID would be of no use. 
 
| -- 
| Adrian Wontroba
|
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