Re: Strange SCSI error message

2001-06-06 Thread Jan Conrad

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote:

 Thomas Seck([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.06.05 12:56:35 +:
  On Jun 05 2001, Jan Conrad wrote:
   Hi,
  
   I just got the following error message (running 4.3R)
  
 
 (snipped)

 i guess you both ran into the quite well known bad termination problem.
 there were some questions a while ago concerning the freebsd vs linux
 scenario where a freebsd fails with SCB timeouts while a linux runs
 along with apparently no problems at all. the quick answer for this
 particular behaviour in freebsd is, that the io subsystem is designed to
 put more load onto the scsi devices than the implementation of other
 os'es io subsystems. so, basically, what happens is, that you only see
 the timeouts under freebsd, of course, since it arbits the scsi bus more
 often, and with more data in the same period of time compared to other
 implementations.

 terminate correctly, symmetric terminators, active, for u160. use good
 cables, no vobis crap ;-) i use amphenol cables for external links and
 gr-kabel (german distributor) for internal wiring. this solved most of
 my scsi problems with u160.

Well - let's go a bit more to the details here.

As for my part, the problem occured on the secondary single ended segment
of an Adaptec 29160. The (only) attached drive is an IBM DGHS09U 0350
running at 40MB/s. It is three years old, attached to the same cable since
three years (68pin internal cable). The drive is operating with on drive
termination. The 29160 checks for the proper termination of the drives and
gives no error message.

The SCSI 160 part of the system is running without any problems.

We will have to install a new fan anyway, so I will have the oportunity to
play around with the cableing a bit. Let's see...


 
  Regards from Bornheim :-)
  Thomas Seck
 cheers from darmstadt,
 /k

thanks for all your responses


-Jan

-- 
Physikalisches Institut der Universitaet Bonn
Nussallee 12
D-53115 Bonn
GERMANY


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Re: Strange SCSI error message

2001-06-06 Thread Thomas Seck

On Jun 06 2001, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote:

 there were some questions a while ago concerning the freebsd vs linux
 scenario where a freebsd fails with SCB timeouts while a linux runs
 along with apparently no problems at all. the quick answer for this
 particular behaviour in freebsd is, that the io subsystem is designed to
 put more load onto the scsi devices than the implementation of other
 os'es io subsystems. so, basically, what happens is, that you only see
 the timeouts under freebsd, of course, since it arbits the scsi bus more
 often, and with more data in the same period of time compared to other
 implementations.

Yes, this might well be the problem. What bothers me is that these 
errors only appeared when the box had been _really_ idle for hours.

 terminate correctly, symmetric terminators, active, for u160. use good
 cables, no vobis crap ;-) 

Vobis? Hey! (Note: Vobis is a chain of computer shops in Germany 
notorious for selling *really* crappy HW for about 15 years now)

 i use amphenol cables for external links and
 gr-kabel (german distributor) for internal wiring. this solved most of
 my scsi problems with u160.

Well, I hope I never have to see these problems again, cross fingers.

Thank you for your response and
regards from the rainy rhinelands,
Thomas Seck


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