Re: XFree86 4.2 minor woes

2002-05-15 Thread Hanspeter Roth

  On May 14 at 11:16, JJ Behrens spoke:

  i've always started X with -bpp 24 in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers to
  get the correct depth for xdm. it's not taken from XF86Config, iirc.
 
 Hmm:
 
 # From XF86Config
 Section Screen
 DefaultDepth 16 # -
 
 has always worked for me.  Am I missing something?

The DefaultDepth of the config file is considered when you call
startx or XFree86 without any color depth option.
But if XFree86 is called via the display manager it might supply
it's own depth option (`ps|grep X`).

-Hanspeter

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Re: XFree86 4.2 minor woes

2002-05-15 Thread Hanspeter Roth

  On May 15 at 02:59, Aidan Skinner spoke:

 Yeah. I tried it with startx -- -depth 24, which fixed the 16 colours
 problem (thanks!).
 
 I had thought about that, but changing my XF86Config to *only* have
 24bpp @ 1024x786 didn't seem to make a difference. I would have
 thought this would have meant it actually ran at 24bpp. ;)

Did you enter the DefaultDepth in the section Screen?
The location of the config file may have changed with 4.0.
Some installations put it in /etc/X11/XF86Config.

-Hanspeter

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Re: XFree86 4.2 minor woes

2002-05-15 Thread Pete French

 I had thought about that, but changing my XF86Config to *only* have
 24bpp @ 1024x786 didn't seem to make a difference. I would have
 thought this would have meant it actually ran at 24bpp. ;)

Interesting, because thts exactly what I do and it works for me. I
never had a problem with colour depth if I set the DefaultDepth to 24
(or 16 or whatever) but I used to take out the other entries to ensure it
would only use that one. i.e. mine now looks like:

Section Screen
Identifier  Screen 1
Device  Matrox Mystique
Monitor Gateway EV700
DefaultDepth 16

Subsection Display
Depth   16
Modes   1024x768
ViewPort0 0
EndSubsection

EndSection

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Re: XFree86 4.2

2002-03-05 Thread stan

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:31:47AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote:
  From: Mike Murphree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:32:34 -0600
  Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  On Tuesday 05 March 2002 04:03 am, Herve Quiroz wrote:
   I have not been member of this list until recently so I have probably
   missed some discussion on the topic. Anyway, what is going on with Xfree86
   v4.2 ? I once had seen XFree86 4.2 on freshports.org but then it came back
   to 4.1 few days later...
  
   NetBSD has already 4.2 in -stable so why not FreeBSD ?
  
  
  The port was at 4.2.0 shortly before the release of FreeBSD 4.5 and
  it was rolled back to 4.1.9 because of insufficient testing time before the
  release.  It has never been put back...
  
  I've been running 4.2.0 since that time with zero problems.
 
 This is not why the 4.2 port was pulled. The main reason was that
 XF86-4.2 was added to the ports just prior to the release of FreeBSD
 4.5. It was felt that it was unwise to include a new release of
 XFree86 that was largely untested in a new release of FreeBSD, so the
 port was pulled.
 
 At the same time it was decided that it was a good time to convert
 XFree86 from a port to a meta-port. This has been under discussion for
 some time and the 4.2 release looked like a good time to cut over. So
 the 4.2 port appeared and disappeared from the tree, but is still
 available and works fine.
 
 (If you don't know what a meta-port is, look at /usr/ports/x11/gnome/Makefile.)

So what are teh _advantegse_ of a metaport?

O'm dealing with on _disdvantage_ at the moment. For reasons involving
my own stupidity, I find myself with a broken Gnome installlation even
though the ports db thinks it' fine. But since it's a metaport, I can't
just do portupgrade -f gnome :-(

Must be a positive side to this, right? Otherwise you could just install
all of it with a trivial shell loop over the various appropriate
directories in the ports tree.

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Re: XFree86 4.2

2002-03-05 Thread Kevin Oberman

 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:25:26 -0500
 From: stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 09:31:47AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote:
   From: Mike Murphree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:32:34 -0600
   Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   On Tuesday 05 March 2002 04:03 am, Herve Quiroz wrote:
I have not been member of this list until recently so I have probably
missed some discussion on the topic. Anyway, what is going on with Xfree86
v4.2 ? I once had seen XFree86 4.2 on freshports.org but then it came back
to 4.1 few days later...
   
NetBSD has already 4.2 in -stable so why not FreeBSD ?
   
   
   The port was at 4.2.0 shortly before the release of FreeBSD 4.5 and
   it was rolled back to 4.1.9 because of insufficient testing time before the
   release.  It has never been put back...
   
   I've been running 4.2.0 since that time with zero problems.
  
  This is not why the 4.2 port was pulled. The main reason was that
  XF86-4.2 was added to the ports just prior to the release of FreeBSD
  4.5. It was felt that it was unwise to include a new release of
  XFree86 that was largely untested in a new release of FreeBSD, so the
  port was pulled.
  
  At the same time it was decided that it was a good time to convert
  XFree86 from a port to a meta-port. This has been under discussion for
  some time and the 4.2 release looked like a good time to cut over. So
  the 4.2 port appeared and disappeared from the tree, but is still
  available and works fine.
  
  (If you don't know what a meta-port is, look at /usr/ports/x11/gnome/Makefile.)
 
 So what are teh _advantegse_ of a metaport?
 
 O'm dealing with on _disdvantage_ at the moment. For reasons involving
 my own stupidity, I find myself with a broken Gnome installlation even
 though the ports db thinks it' fine. But since it's a metaport, I can't
 just do portupgrade -f gnome :-(
 
 Must be a positive side to this, right? Otherwise you could just install
 all of it with a trivial shell loop over the various appropriate
 directories in the ports tree.

Hmm. You have hit on the problem with meta-ports. I don't install the
gnome meta-port for just that reason. But a meta-port is a good thing
because it allows a bunch of ports that go together to be easily
installed.

In you case the only good solutions are to either delete all of the
ports in the meta-port and then re-install it or to do a portupgrade -f
on each of the dependent ports. At least it's easy to spot them in the
Makefile for gnome.

In the case of X (and not too different from Gnome) you have a very
large port that can take a VERY long time to build and install. But
normally there is no really reason to rebuild the whole thing. Better to
just update the part that actually changed. So the trick is to set up
a meta-port. This allows the easy installation of XF86-4 but it only
required that you update the pieces that have changed and not the
whole monster. If the server is patched, the installation of clients,
libraries, and fonts is a total waste of time.

When XF86-4.2 is available as a meta-port I will probably not install
it. I will remove the existing XFree86 and look at the Makefile and
simply do a portinstall on each of the dependencies in the port.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
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Re: XFree86 4.2

2002-03-05 Thread Brian T . Schellenberger

On Tuesday 05 March 2002 05:00 pm, Kevin Oberman wrote:
  Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:25:26 -0500
  From: stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   the 4.2 port appeared and disappeared from the tree, but is still
   available and works fine.
  
   (If you don't know what a meta-port is, look at
   /usr/ports/x11/gnome/Makefile.)
 
  So what are teh _advantegse_ of a metaport?
 
  O'm dealing with on _disdvantage_ at the moment. For reasons involving
  my own stupidity, I find myself with a broken Gnome installlation even
  though the ports db thinks it' fine. But since it's a metaport, I can't
  just do portupgrade -f gnome :-(
 
  Must be a positive side to this, right? Otherwise you could just install
  all of it with a trivial shell loop over the various appropriate
  directories in the ports tree.

Why not   portupgrade -R -f gnome?

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Re: XFree86 4.2

2002-03-05 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.

 Must be a positive side to this, right? Otherwise you could just install
 all of it with a trivial shell loop over the various appropriate
 directories in the ports tree.
 

Will fix things like stale dependencies on imake or xf86libs-4
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Re: XFree86 4.2

2002-03-05 Thread Brian T . Schellenberger

On Tuesday 05 March 2002 02:13 pm, Jonathan Chen wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 06:32:34AM -0600, Mike Murphree wrote:
  On Tuesday 05 March 2002 04:03 am, Herve Quiroz wrote:
   I have not been member of this list until recently so I have probably
   missed some discussion on the topic. Anyway, what is going on with
   Xfree86 v4.2 ? I once had seen XFree86 4.2 on freshports.org but then
   it came back to 4.1 few days later...
  
   NetBSD has already 4.2 in -stable so why not FreeBSD ?
 
  The port was at 4.2.0 shortly before the release of FreeBSD 4.5 and
  it was rolled back to 4.1.9 because of insufficient testing time before
  the release.  It has never been put back...
 
  I've been running 4.2.0 since that time with zero problems.

 I have noticed that there's a problem running xv with 4.2. If you
 try viewing multiple files of the same framesize, it sometimes doesn't
 refresh correctly. Works fine under 4.1.x

Yes, though if you go backward and forward again it usually fixes itself.  
Weird.

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