Re: confirming bugs is bad behavior, etc.
Jo, I'm trying to get FreeBSD to consider not supporting another 6.4 or 5.5 as both seems to have some of the problems you're describing due to a the next gen -stable being out for so long sucking away developer time. As a user, what do you think about this? I hate to force users to upgrade, but I also hate to potentially be falsly advertising stability when there might not be enough maintainers to keep that true. Thoughts? -Alfred * Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED] [081201 12:28] wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:59 AM, George V. Neville-Neil wrote: I have mostly stayed away from these threads because they've often devolved into unproductive finger pointing. Please leave the hyperbole out of your posts, or at least attempt to cut it back. People on these lists are working quite hard to solve problems for the whole of the FreeBSD community and your posts, such as this one, are not helping us to move forward. My posts have always been directed at solving very real, operational problems with using FreeBSD on server platforms, which is exactly the stated goal for freebsd. I have always offered not only problems, but resources to help test or evaluate the issues, and serious considerations for ways to improve the process. Yes, you're right. Threads I start about real problems always devolve into unproductive finger pointing. That would be the freebsd developers attacking the reporter for identifying a real, operational problem. Take a look at the posts of the FreeBSD developers, and view for yourself the unprofessional attacks and personal insults hurled by them at people who are simply trying to get real problems resolved. And yet, instead of asking your developers to stop violating the posted rules of the mailing list, you are asking a bug reporter who simply informed another bug reporter that their problem was both widespread and not limited to USB devices to stop posting to the list. Because god knows that yes we saw it too and it's widely reported is bad behavior. Much worse that personal attacks which are strictly against the list rules. Yes, I'm sure that the personal attacks really do help drive freebsd development forward. Much more so than me bringing resources and actually testing things does. Now that Core has clearly spoken their mind on this issue, by refusing to ask freebsd developers to avoid violating the list charter and then publicly calling out someone for just saying yeah, it's a widely reported problem ... leaves any doubt that positive change is going to happen here. Your request is accepted. I'm unsubscribing now. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Alfred Perlstein ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
confirming bugs is bad behavior, etc.
On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:59 AM, George V. Neville-Neil wrote: I have mostly stayed away from these threads because they've often devolved into unproductive finger pointing. Please leave the hyperbole out of your posts, or at least attempt to cut it back. People on these lists are working quite hard to solve problems for the whole of the FreeBSD community and your posts, such as this one, are not helping us to move forward. My posts have always been directed at solving very real, operational problems with using FreeBSD on server platforms, which is exactly the stated goal for freebsd. I have always offered not only problems, but resources to help test or evaluate the issues, and serious considerations for ways to improve the process. Yes, you're right. Threads I start about real problems always devolve into unproductive finger pointing. That would be the freebsd developers attacking the reporter for identifying a real, operational problem. Take a look at the posts of the FreeBSD developers, and view for yourself the unprofessional attacks and personal insults hurled by them at people who are simply trying to get real problems resolved. And yet, instead of asking your developers to stop violating the posted rules of the mailing list, you are asking a bug reporter who simply informed another bug reporter that their problem was both widespread and not limited to USB devices to stop posting to the list. Because god knows that yes we saw it too and it's widely reported is bad behavior. Much worse that personal attacks which are strictly against the list rules. Yes, I'm sure that the personal attacks really do help drive freebsd development forward. Much more so than me bringing resources and actually testing things does. Now that Core has clearly spoken their mind on this issue, by refusing to ask freebsd developers to avoid violating the list charter and then publicly calling out someone for just saying yeah, it's a widely reported problem ... leaves any doubt that positive change is going to happen here. Your request is accepted. I'm unsubscribing now. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: confirming bugs is bad behavior, etc.
At Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:27:57 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: Now that Core has clearly spoken their mind on this issue, by refusing to ask freebsd developers to avoid violating the list charter and then publicly calling out someone for just saying yeah, it's a widely reported problem ... leaves any doubt that positive change is going to happen here. Note that my mail was not marked in any way From core but was merely as a list participant. I've always been all for people finding and helping to work through bugs. What I object to is hyperbole and passive aggressiveness. For more on this see here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 If we can identify the issue let's fix it, but let's do it without lots of emotional stuff. Best, George ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
