Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:03:17AM +0100, Bob Bishop wrote: Yes. You to have a statically linked /rescue/sh on board, so what's the point of /bin/sh being dynamic? While you and I agree on this, the primary reason we went with a dynamically linked root was for PAM and NSS support -- which are dlopen'ed. And thus requires using a shared libc. -- -- David (obr...@freebsd.org) ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
Hi, On 28 Apr 2012, at 04:12, David O'Brien wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Bob Bishop wrote: Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked [etc] That seems like a bad mistake, because it would prevent even booting single-user if rtld/libraries are broken. When one enters single user they are prompted for which shell to use. If /bin/sh is broken due to being dynamic, '/rescue/sh' will likely still work. Yes. You to have a statically linked /rescue/sh on board, so what's the point of /bin/sh being dynamic? The memory footprint really isn't an issue, and for my money the default shell ought to be bombproof. -- Bob Bishop r...@gid.co.uk ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:03 AM, Bob Bishop wrote: On 28 Apr 2012, at 04:12, David O'Brien wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Bob Bishop wrote: Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked [etc] That seems like a bad mistake, because it would prevent even booting single-user if rtld/libraries are broken. When one enters single user they are prompted for which shell to use. If /bin/sh is broken due to being dynamic, '/rescue/sh' will likely still work. Yes. You to have a statically linked /rescue/sh on board, so what's the point of /bin/sh being dynamic? The memory footprint really isn't an issue, and for my money the default shell ought to be bombproof. By default shell, I think you mean the shell loaded by default in single user mode. That shell could be /rescue/sh. Single-user recovery does not require /bin/sh being static. Tim ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 05:41:40PM +0400, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:35:48PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: I think it is time to stop building the toolchain static. I was told that original reasoning for static linking was the fear of loosing the ability to recompile if some problem appears with rtld and any required dynamic library. Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked, and statically linked make does not solve anything. r76801 | sobomax | 2001-05-18 13:05:56 +0400 (Fri, 18 May 2001) | 6 lines By default build make(1) as a static binary. It costs only 100k of additional disk space, buf provides measureable speed increase for make-intensive operations, such as pkg_version(1), `make world' and so on. MFC after:1 week Have things changed enough that the above is not true anymore? Patch below makes the dynamically linked toolchain a default, adding an WITHOUT_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN build-time option for real conservators. I did not looked in details why including bsd.own.mk makes NO_MAN non-functional. Please see the diffs for gnu/usr.bin/cc1*/Makefile. Because you include bsd.own.mk before NO_MAN is defined, and the way how .if works in make(1). What is the 'right' thing to do then ? Postpone the inclusion of bsd.own.mk after NO_MAN definition ? This makes the .if $MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN to not work. Or, continue to do what I have done, using 'MAN=' instead ? N.B. I will commit the change, with defaults kept to build toolchain static, just to avoid bikeshed. pgpvnaU9s5ATe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:58:59AM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 05:41:40PM +0400, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:35:48PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: [...] Patch below makes the dynamically linked toolchain a default, adding an WITHOUT_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN build-time option for real conservators. I did not looked in details why including bsd.own.mk makes NO_MAN non-functional. Please see the diffs for gnu/usr.bin/cc1*/Makefile. Because you include bsd.own.mk before NO_MAN is defined, and the way how .if works in make(1). What is the 'right' thing to do then ? Postpone the inclusion of bsd.own.mk after NO_MAN definition ? This makes the .if $MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN to not work. Or, continue to do what I have done, using 'MAN=' instead ? Two ways, both are demonstrated by gnu/lib/libgcov/Makefile: - Define NO_* before including bsd.own.mk so it sets the corresponding MK_* variable appropriately, and before testing the MK_*. - Remove NO_*, include bsd.own.mk, then set MK_MAN=no. (The nearby gnu/lib/libssp/Makefile has a similar problem with NO_PROFILE.) N.B. I will commit the change, with defaults kept to build toolchain static, just to avoid bikeshed. I think this is the right approach. Regarding your patch... By placing SHARED_TOOLCHAIN to __DEFAULT_NO_OPTIONS list in bsd.own.mk, you already had MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN set to no by default, which preserves the current status quo of building toolchain static. But you misspelled tools/build/options/WITH_STATIC_TOOLCHAIN, probably as the result of iteratively modifying your change. The option and this file should be named WITH_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN, the opposite of the default. Anyway, checking that the resulting src.conf(5) manpage sounds sensible is a good idea. As for the contents of this file, I wouldn't call ar/ranlib a librarian but rather a library archives manager, as per POSIX. Your diff also suggests that it misses a newline at EOF. ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:58:06PM +0400, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: Regarding your patch... By placing SHARED_TOOLCHAIN to __DEFAULT_NO_OPTIONS list in bsd.own.mk, you already had MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN set to no by default, which preserves the current status quo of building toolchain static. But you misspelled tools/build/options/WITH_STATIC_TOOLCHAIN, probably as the result of iteratively modifying your change. The option and this file should be named WITH_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN, the opposite of the default. Anyway, checking that the resulting src.conf(5) manpage sounds sensible is a good idea. As for the contents of this file, I wouldn't call ar/ranlib a librarian but rather a library archives manager, as per POSIX. Your diff also suggests that it misses a newline at EOF. Thank you for the suggestions. Below is the variant that should handle all the commentary. diff --git a/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/Makefile b/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/Makefile index 464445e..6fe22c8 100644 --- a/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/Makefile +++ b/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ar/Makefile @@ -1,6 +1,7 @@ # $FreeBSD$ .include ../Makefile.inc0 +.include bsd.own.mk .PATH: ${SRCDIR}/binutils ${SRCDIR}/binutils/doc @@ -16,7 +17,9 @@ CFLAGS+= -D_GNU_SOURCE CFLAGS+= -I${.CURDIR}/${RELTOP}/libbinutils CFLAGS+= -I${SRCDIR}/binutils CFLAGS+= -I${SRCDIR}/bfd +.if ${MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN} == no NO_SHARED?= yes +.endif DPADD= ${RELTOP}/libbinutils/libbinutils.a DPADD+=${RELTOP}/libbfd/libbfd.a DPADD+=${RELTOP}/libiberty/libiberty.a diff --git a/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/as/Makefile b/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/as/Makefile index bf8df81..5fef1f3 100644 --- a/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/as/Makefile +++ b/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/as/Makefile @@ -4,6 +4,7 @@ # BINDIR .include ${.CURDIR}/../../Makefile.inc .include ${.CURDIR}/../Makefile.inc0 +.include bsd.own.mk .PATH: ${SRCDIR}/gas ${SRCDIR}/gas/config @@ -79,7 +80,9 @@ CFLAGS+= -D_GNU_SOURCE CFLAGS+= -I${SRCDIR}/gas -I${SRCDIR}/bfd -I${SRCDIR}/gas/config -I${SRCDIR} CFLAGS+= -I${.CURDIR} -I${.CURDIR}/${TARGET_CPUARCH}-freebsd +.if ${MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN} == no NO_SHARED?=yes +.endif DPADD= ${RELTOP}/libbfd/libbfd.a DPADD+=${RELTOP}/libiberty/libiberty.a diff --git a/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/Makefile b/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/Makefile index d4420ed..ef19afa 100644 --- a/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/Makefile +++ b/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/Makefile @@ -1,6 +1,7 @@ # $FreeBSD$ .include ../Makefile.inc0 +.include bsd.own.mk .PATH: ${SRCDIR}/ld @@ -34,7 +35,9 @@ CFLAGS+= -DBINDIR=\${BINDIR}\ -DTARGET_SYSTEM_ROOT=\${TOOLS_PREFIX}\ CFLAGS+= -DTOOLBINDIR=\${TOOLS_PREFIX}/${BINDIR}/libexec\ CFLAGS+= -D_GNU_SOURCE CFLAGS+= -I${SRCDIR}/ld -I${SRCDIR}/bfd +.if ${MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN} == no NO_SHARED?= yes +.endif DPADD= ${RELTOP}/libbfd/libbfd.a DPADD+=${RELTOP}/libiberty/libiberty.a LDADD= ${DPADD} diff --git a/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ranlib/Makefile b/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ranlib/Makefile index 8679375..052f9fe 100644 --- a/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ranlib/Makefile +++ b/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ranlib/Makefile @@ -1,6 +1,7 @@ # $FreeBSD$ .include ../Makefile.inc0 +.include bsd.own.mk .PATH: ${SRCDIR}/binutils ${SRCDIR}/binutils/doc @@ -16,7 +17,9 @@ CFLAGS+= -D_GNU_SOURCE CFLAGS+= -I${.CURDIR}/${RELTOP}/libbinutils CFLAGS+= -I${SRCDIR}/binutils CFLAGS+= -I${SRCDIR}/bfd +.if ${MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN} == no NO_SHARED?= yes +.endif DPADD= ${RELTOP}/libbinutils/libbinutils.a DPADD+=${RELTOP}/libbfd/libbfd.a DPADD+=${RELTOP}/libiberty/libiberty.a diff --git a/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/Makefile b/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/Makefile index 78c83a5..ba53565 100644 --- a/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/Makefile +++ b/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/Makefile @@ -9,7 +9,9 @@ PROG= gcc MAN= gcc.1 SRCS+= gccspec.c +.if ${MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN} == no NO_SHARED?=yes +.endif MLINKS=gcc.1 g++.1 .if ${MK_CLANG_IS_CC} == no diff --git a/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/Makefile b/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/Makefile index c65acd2..7b1e343 100644 --- a/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/Makefile +++ b/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/Makefile @@ -1,14 +1,17 @@ # $FreeBSD$ .include ../Makefile.inc +NO_MAN= +.include bsd.own.mk .PATH: ${GCCDIR} PROG= cc1 SRCS= main.c c-parser.c c-lang.c BINDIR=/usr/libexec -NO_MAN= +.if ${MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN} == no NO_SHARED?=yes +.endif OBJS+= ${PROG}-checksum.o DPADD= ${LIBBACKEND} ${LIBCPP} ${LIBDECNUMBER} ${LIBIBERTY} diff --git a/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/Makefile b/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/Makefile index 964d20f..dd3d524 100644 --- a/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/Makefile +++ b/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/Makefile @@ -1,6 +1,8 @@ # $FreeBSD$ .include ../Makefile.inc +NO_MAN= +.include bsd.own.mk .PATH: ${GCCDIR}/cp ${GCCDIR} @@ -13,8 +15,9 @@ SRCS+=main.c cp-lang.c c-opts.c call.c class.c cvt.c cxx-pretty-print.c \ cp-objcp-common.c cp-gimplify.c tree-mudflap.c BINDIR=/usr/libexec -NO_MAN= +.if ${MK_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN} == no NO_SHARED?=yes +.endif
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Bob Bishop wrote: Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked [etc] That seems like a bad mistake, because it would prevent even booting single-user if rtld/libraries are broken. When one enters single user they are prompted for which shell to use. If /bin/sh is broken due to being dynamic, '/rescue/sh' will likely still work. -- -- David (obr...@freebsd.org) ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 07:52:01AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: You could use /rescue/sh as your single-user shell. Of course, that would perhaps let you still be able to recompile things if you had a static toolchain. :) Having the toolchain static has saved me in exactly this way. -- -- David (obr...@freebsd.org) ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 26 Apr 2012, at 10:35, Konstantin Belousov wrote: I think it is time to stop building the toolchain static. I was told that original reasoning for static linking was the fear of loosing the ability to recompile if some problem appears with rtld and any required dynamic library. Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked [etc] That seems like a bad mistake, because it would prevent even booting single-user if rtld/libraries are broken. - -- Bob Bishop r...@gid.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFPmTOivMaT6aS3xb8RAi1NAJ4gyvwPgdqtZjAERJ0grBsZYo5xBQCgikdo P4LXwI1rAbA23+29XWVV8w4= =i8e3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On 26 Apr 2012, at 12:38, Bob Bishop wrote: Hi, On 26 Apr 2012, at 10:35, Konstantin Belousov wrote: I think it is time to stop building the toolchain static. I was told that original reasoning for static linking was the fear of loosing the ability to recompile if some problem appears with rtld and any required dynamic library. Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked [etc] That seems like a bad mistake, because it would prevent even booting single-user if rtld/libraries are broken. That's what /rescue is for. You will find statically linked tools there that are just about to repair a broken system (a static nc would also be nice...). I did some benchmarks a little while ago, and there was, I think, about a 5% slowdown on buildworld with a dynamically linked clang vs a statically linked one on x86-64. Ideally, I'd want the bootstrap compiler to be statically linked but the installed one to be dynamic. The advantage of dynamic linking is small now, but as we add more LLVM and clang-based tools to the base system (e.g. LLVM-based firewall JIT, clang-based indent replacement) we're going to see lots of simple tools being 5-10MB if we enforce static linking. We'll probably get a much bigger speed win from clangd (hopefully appearing in time for LLVM 3.2) avoiding the need to spawn a new process for every compiler invocation than we'll save from static linking. As to compiling things when rtld is broken... clang in the base system currently dynamically links to lib[std]c++, libgcc_s, libm and libc, it only statically links to the clang and LLVM libraries. David___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
Den 26/04/2012 kl. 11.35 skrev Konstantin Belousov: I think it is time to stop building the toolchain static. I was told that original reasoning for static linking was the fear of loosing the ability to recompile if some problem appears with rtld and any required dynamic library. Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked, and statically linked make does not solve anything. What are the benefits, apart from using a bit less disk space overall? Apparently, toolchain bits aren't considered important enough to be included in /rescue. Maybe they need to be, if the assumption currently is that the compiler will (almost) always work. Erik___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:38:03 am Bob Bishop wrote: Hi, On 26 Apr 2012, at 10:35, Konstantin Belousov wrote: I think it is time to stop building the toolchain static. I was told that original reasoning for static linking was the fear of loosing the ability to recompile if some problem appears with rtld and any required dynamic library. Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked [etc] That seems like a bad mistake, because it would prevent even booting single- user if rtld/libraries are broken. You could use /rescue/sh as your single-user shell. Of course, that would perhaps let you still be able to recompile things if you had a static toolchain. :) -- John Baldwin ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
Oops, just replied privately before: On Apr 26, 2012 12:39 PM, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 26, 2012 10:36 AM, Konstantin Belousov kostik...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is time to stop building the toolchain static. I was told that original reasoning for static linking was the fear of loosing the ability to recompile if some problem appears with rtld and any required dynamic library. Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked, and statically linked make does not solve anything. Patch below makes the dynamically linked toolchain a default, adding an WITHOUT_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN build-time option for real conservators. Nice idea, but sh etc al are built statically as /rescue/sh. Will we see /rescue/ar etc? Chris ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 07:52:01AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:38:03 am Bob Bishop wrote: Hi, ... You could use /rescue/sh as your single-user shell. Of course, that would perhaps let you still be able to recompile things if you had a static toolchain. :) Put a toolchain on a CD or memstick and use that instead? ;-) *runs* - Diane -- - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db Why leave money to our children if we don't leave them the Earth? ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:35:48PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: I think it is time to stop building the toolchain static. I was told that original reasoning for static linking was the fear of loosing the ability to recompile if some problem appears with rtld and any required dynamic library. Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked, and statically linked make does not solve anything. r76801 | sobomax | 2001-05-18 13:05:56 +0400 (Fri, 18 May 2001) | 6 lines By default build make(1) as a static binary. It costs only 100k of additional disk space, buf provides measureable speed increase for make-intensive operations, such as pkg_version(1), `make world' and so on. MFC after: 1 week Have things changed enough that the above is not true anymore? Patch below makes the dynamically linked toolchain a default, adding an WITHOUT_SHARED_TOOLCHAIN build-time option for real conservators. I did not looked in details why including bsd.own.mk makes NO_MAN non-functional. Please see the diffs for gnu/usr.bin/cc1*/Makefile. Because you include bsd.own.mk before NO_MAN is defined, and the way how .if works in make(1). ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [RFC] Un-staticise the toolchain
On Apr 26, 2012 2:42 PM, Ruslan Ermilov r...@freebsd.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:35:48PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: I think it is time to stop building the toolchain static. I was told that original reasoning for static linking was the fear of loosing the ability to recompile if some problem appears with rtld and any required dynamic library. Apparently, current dependencies are much more spread, e.g. /bin/sh is dynamically linked, and statically linked make does not solve anything. r76801 | sobomax | 2001-05-18 13:05:56 +0400 (Fri, 18 May 2001) | 6 lines By default build make(1) as a static binary. It costs only 100k of additional disk space, buf provides measureable speed increase for make-intensive operations, such as pkg_version(1), `make world' and so on. MFC after: 1 week Have things changed enough that the above is not true anymore? Well, the most make(1)-intensive test I can think of is make index, so some results from a quick test: hydra# uname -a FreeBSD hydra.bayofrum.net 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #7: Sun Apr 22 21:02:48 BST 2012 r...@hydra.bayofrum.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HYDRA amd64 hydra# cd /usr/src/usr.bin/make make NO_SHARED=yes cp make ~/bin/make-static /dev/null hydra# rm make make NO_SHARED=no cp make ~/bin/make-dynamic /dev/null hydra# file ~/bin/make-* /home/chris/bin/make-dynamic: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 9.0 (900044), not stripped /home/chris/bin/make-static: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (FreeBSD), statically linked, for FreeBSD 9.0 (900044), not stripped hydra# cd /usr/ports time make MAKE=~crees/bin/make-static index Generating INDEX-9 - please wait.. Done. 729.770u 120.841s 7:45.10 182.8%920+2676k 5251+116484io 7750pf+0w hydra# time make MAKE=~crees/bin/make-dynamic index Generating INDEX-9 - please wait.. Done. 771.320u 133.540s 8:07.83 185.4%609+2918k 474+116484io 570pf+0w We have a 10% slowdown (or 11% speedup, depending on your figures) when using a dynamically loaded make. Chris ___ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org