[Freeciv-Dev] gui-sdl and S2_1
Since there has been some discussion about the stability of translatable strings in the stable branch recently, I'd like to know what's your opinion about updates of the SDL client in S2_1. Personally, I'd like to keep the S2_1/2.1.x version in sync with the trunk version as long as possible (or at least until 2.2 gets released), since it's still missing basic features, has several usability problems and it's unclear how well I'll be able to catch up with future changes in trunk that might require bigger changes to the GUI. It's also unclear if a 2.2 version will still compile and run on a Pocket PC, which might not be the case anymore if memory usage increases too much or if new dependency libraries are added that don't compile or work on this platform. So, you see there are several reasons to continue work on the SDL client in S2_1, but this will surely break translation every now and then. If you consider this to be a big problem, a possible solution might be to fork the gui-sdl directory in S2_1 and leave one "as is" (fully translated, but hardly updated) and the other one untranslated, but with regular updates of all kinds. What do you think? ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] gui-sdl and S2_1
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Christian Prochaska wrote: > Since there has been some discussion about the stability of > translatable strings in the stable branch recently, I'd like to know > what's your opinion about updates of the SDL client in S2_1. > Personally, I'd like to keep the S2_1/2.1.x version in sync with the > trunk version as long as possible (or at least until 2.2 gets > released), since it's still missing basic features, has several > usability problems and it's unclear how well I'll be able to catch up > with future changes in trunk that might require bigger changes to the > GUI. It's also unclear if a 2.2 version will still compile and run on > a Pocket PC, which might not be the case anymore if memory usage > increases too much or if new dependency libraries are added that don't > compile or work on this platform. So, you see there are several > reasons to continue work on the SDL client in S2_1, but this will > surely break translation every now and then. If you consider this to > be a big problem, a possible solution might be to fork the gui-sdl > directory in S2_1 and leave one "as is" (fully translated, but hardly > updated) and the other one untranslated, but with regular updates of > all kinds. What do you think? Once 2.1.0 is released, the string freeze in S2_1 will thaw, and you can do bigger changes to the gui-sdl code than you should do now, at risk of delaying 2.1.0 even further. IMHO. - Per Carpe noctem ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] gui-sdl and S2_1
On 9/10/07, Christian Prochaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since there has been some discussion about the stability of > translatable strings in the stable branch recently, I'd like to know > what's your opinion about updates of the SDL client in S2_1. > Personally, I'd like to keep the S2_1/2.1.x version in sync with the > trunk version as long as possible (or at least until 2.2 gets > released), since it's still missing basic features, has several > usability problems and it's unclear how well I'll be able to catch up > with future changes in trunk that might require bigger changes to the > GUI. It's also unclear if a 2.2 version will still compile and run on > a Pocket PC, which might not be the case anymore if memory usage > increases too much or if new dependency libraries are added that don't > compile or work on this platform. So, you see there are several > reasons to continue work on the SDL client in S2_1, but this will > surely break translation every now and then. If you consider this to > be a big problem, a possible solution might be to fork the gui-sdl > directory in S2_1 and leave one "as is" (fully translated, but hardly > updated) and the other one untranslated, but with regular updates of > all kinds. What do you think? > My general comment is that gui-sdl may be partially exempted from the don't-touch-the-strings rule, simply because it still is pretty much in alpha stage and incomplete. Of the guis only gui-gtk2 should be treated with care IMO, as it is Freeciv's 'public face.' Most translations of gui-sdl are terribly incomplete anyways (it was localized very late)... ~Daniel ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39693) [Patch] Unit info label for impossible goto
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39693 > Daniel Markstedt wrote: > It's IMHO ok to add new translatable strings while implementing new > functionality. What should be avoided is making minor adjustments to > existing ones. > Wasn't new functionality, was a 2.1 bug fix. But OK, I'll change later today. I didn't want to delay 2.1.0. OTOH, all those English grammar mistakes in the new unit help are going to require translation fixes anyway ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39642) en_US.po
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39642 > I strongly disagree with the creation of en_US.po Strings that exist, and need trivial fixing for grammar (not content), should be updated in both the code source and *all* the translation *.po keys. It's easy to do, and there's no effort needed by translators That's how I've been handling it already. Surely, we all have sed, or its GUI equivalent?!?! Strings that change in content and semantics have to be vetted by translators anyway, having en_US.po doesn't help! ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#15854) goto.c:860: Assertion `unit_is_in_focus(punit)' failed
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=15854 > Marko Lindqvist wrote: > Ok, it *is* possible to add focus units when goto is active. Replaced > assert() with hover cancel. This is all that S2_1 needs. For trunk we > may consider adding new goto_map for additional units in focus (if > they are allowed to ignore already set waypoints, this should not be > hard) > This is the wrong solution. What is needed instead is a queue of future focus units, and the server wakeup merely adds to the head of the queue. (I think there's something like that already.) If the client user is already doing something, the server shouldn't interrupt the UI. Besides, the current design wouldn't work when there were lots of players. Sentries will wake up all over the map, and the focus constantly bounce. If six units wake, they should just add to the queue (And the answer to the earlier question is, I've never played with more than 2 humans. I value your testing with many players!) ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39642) en_US.po
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39642 >
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:01:34 -0700 William Allen Simpson wrote:
> I strongly disagree with the creation of en_US.po
>
> Strings that exist, and need trivial fixing for grammar (not content),
> should be updated in both the code source and *all* the translation *.po
> keys.
I'm agree that en_US.po is not a silver bullet. But I think neither you
nor me nor somebody else can't fix all translation changes. Simple
fix in english may become very untrivial task in other language.
('%2s %1s' for [quite easy] example)
> It's easy to do, and there's no effort needed by translators
>
> That's how I've been handling it already. Surely, we all have sed, or
> its GUI equivalent?!?!
Erm, is it right that "it's easy"? I'm sure that I *never* placed 'msgid'
twice in one line. But once I've fixed that. See also Marko's fixes
of fuzzies. And sed never was a translation tool! Marking string
as fuzzy is more fair thing that to change it manually (or automatically
not by 'make update-po' [*]) without giving translator a notice.
[*] And update-po changes only msgids, marking string as fuzzy.
But this is not about en_US.po.
> Strings that change in content and semantics have to be vetted by
> translators anyway, having en_US.po doesn't help!
Agree.
But you may look to my second answer in this ticket.
And you may find sentences in archive of the list that english is
not the ideal language for freeciv, but we have no better.
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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39690) Remove embassy concept
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39690 > On Sat, 8 Sep 2007, Per I. Mathisen wrote: > This experimental and mostly untested patch removes the embassy concept > from the game. I am surprised by the lack of comments on this ticket. If subsequent testing does not reveal any problems, and none objects within 24 hours, I will commit it. - Per ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39686) [Bug] Unit pointer used after move_unit()
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39686 > On 08/09/2007, Marko Lindqvist wrote: > > move_unit() ... > Now some > callers are ready to segfault when ever moving unit dies due to > autoattack or by entering barbarian hut (or some other reason?). If nothing comes up in further testing, I commit fixes to all branches later this week (when time permits). - ML ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39652) Fwd: Patch for SkyOS compilation
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39652 > On 09/09/2007, Marko Lindqvist wrote: > On 03/09/07, Marko Lindqvist wrote: > > > > Well, I have no environment to *test*, but I wrote patch anyway. This > > updates also mingw32 handling to present autoconf standards > > (AC_CANONICAL_HOST has been recommended since autoconf-2.13) > > Noticed that configure.ac already had AC_CANONICAL_TARGET. Replaced > that with AC_CANONICAL_HOST as Freeciv is not cross-compiler (autoconf > naming of build/host/target is sometimes confusing). I can't test all the environments this patch affects, but can't help that. I consider this ready for commit. - ML ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39676) [Patch] Script to help auth server setup
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39676 > On 09/09/2007, Marko Lindqvist wrote: > > On 06/09/07, Marko Lindqvist wrote: > > > > This should make it much easier to setup authentication enabled > > server (if you have auth enabled freeciv binaries) > > This adds it to distribution, but not to installation. Script could use some improvements, but leaving that to some future ticket. Both script and distribution patch ready for commit. - ML ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39678) [Patch] Requirement list sanity checking
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39678 > On 09/09/2007, Marko Lindqvist wrote: > > On 07/09/07, Marko Lindqvist wrote: > > > > This adds checking of requirement list sanity to ruleset load. > > This handles requirement lists for effects only. Other requirements > are in requirement vectors (not in lists). Leaving further improvements to other tickets (implementation is by current standards, not by what #39643 will require). I consider this ready for commit. - ML ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39653) S2_1 needs wait cursor gfx
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39653 > On 10/09/2007, Marko Lindqvist wrote: > > Here is spec change. Updated cursors.png attached to ticket. Nobody has commented to #17793 if wait cursors really should be ported to S2_1. Both this and #17793 are ready, but I'll wait to Thursday (and then until I have time) before committing either. - ML ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] (PR#39698) 'classic' terrain for 2.1.99
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39698 > I'm trying to make a 2.1-style ruleset+tileset to be able to create 2.1-compatible maps with the editor. Have run into a snag with the tileset, though, as I haven't been able to understand the esoteric differences in the two tileset formats (tilespec4 & tilespec4.2007.Jul.13). The latest error message (with attached files) I'm getting is: 1: Missing errno mapping for Winsock error #10093. Please report this message at http://bugs.freeciv.org/. (This is on Windows XP) In earlier tries I got errors about missing 'ocean' or 'arctic' gfx. ~Daniel classic_terrain.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
