I don't get how Occitans (because it's a linguistic community) can be
seen as an historical nation.
Or maybe Occitan does mean something different in English ?
Here are some hints for Toulouse after reading the french wiki :
-Wisigoth Kingdom from 419 to 711 with Toulouse as Capital City
(http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royaume_wisigoth
)
-Duchy of Aquitaine (independant) from 721 to 768 (you can add Eudes
d'Aquitaine as ruler : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_d
%27Aquitaine), Toulouse was detached from Narbonne and attached to
Aquitaine in the early VI century (around 507 something).
That's really all you got for a real Kingdom of the Toulousains, in
778 Charlemagne did create the Kingdom of Aquitaine and the County of
Toulouse as part of it but it was not independant. There was also the
Pépin the First then Pépin II rebellion but it didn't last so long
(840-849) then it was attached to Francia Occidentalis
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francia_occidentalis
.
Now for the Cathares (or Albigeois as they were also named)… because
it's probably what you are looking for :
In 1167, Toulouse became one of the 5 independant cathare church
rejecting catholicism.
There was then a crusade against the rebelled cities that ended in 1229.
Beginning in 1249 and Alphonse de Poitiers the Toulouse County is
slowly absorbed by the Kingdom of France (from which it was a vassal
previously).
Note that it is Aliénor d'Aquitaine (also named Éléanore de Guyenne,
Guyenne is the popular form of Aquitaine coming from Aguiaine).
Cheers
François
Le 18 août 09 à 00:16, Joan Creus a écrit :
Follow-up Comment #4, patch #1238 (project freeciv):
I agree that it's hard to define the boundaries of these counties.
In fact,
the map of the County of Toulouse shown in the French wikipedia
shows the
county of Roussillon as part of the county of Toulouse in 1154. I
have found
no other source that confirms this. As far as I know, it was an
independent
county that became part of the kingdom of Aragon in 1172. Before the
formal
annexion, it had been the birthplace of the first Catalan count, and
that's
why it's always considered Catalan. This goes for Perpignan. But the
Prades
you mention is indeed Occitan.
Daniel is the expert, here, but I believe that, for non-modern
nations, it's
OK in Freeciv to include cities that have been part of the empire at
some
point in time.
I agree that it would be a good thing to include some women as
rulers. I am
not sure that Joana is considered a good queen for
Occitans,though, since
she is the one that sold out to the French King. If we expand the
scope to
all the Occitan counties and duchies, there is another excellent
candidate,
though: Alienòr d'Aquitània (Eleanor of Aquitaine), who must have
been an
extraordinary woman, who actually ruled as a duchess of Aquitaine,
became
Queen of France, divorced, married an English prince and became the
mother of
two English Kings (Richard the Lionheart and John Lackland). During
her
extremely long rule as Duchess (from the age of 15 until her death
at 82) she
had a very important role in European politics.
So, if you want to add rulers or cities to the Occitan ruleset, feel
free. Or
I can do it for you, as you like.
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