Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-22 Thread Egor Vyscrebentsov

URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 Christian Knoke wrote:

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 I think that leaders who are still alive, but definitely out of
 business, should be free for inclusion in the rulesets. Out of
 business might be an argueable definition (Gorbachev is, Prodi is not)
 but I think we can solve it. The reason to exclude active leaders is to
 avoid too hot political discussions about their importance. There is no
 need to extend this on still living ex-leaders IMHO.

Yes, out of business it too non-formalistic definition.
To my mind, Gorbachev still acts in social and political life of Russia
(For example, his recent letter to Gates)

 And, FWIW, I think Gorbachev earns a mention in the ruleset.

A mention - yes. Place in leader list - not now. This is my private
opinion, of course.

PS [2Daniel? and others]: Maybe it would be nice to have more long
nation legends, that will be accessible through in-game help?

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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-22 Thread Daniil Ivanov

URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

We can embedd Firefox into the Freeciv to show Wikipedia
page for the nation :D

On 22/02/07, Egor Vyscrebentsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

 On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 Christian Knoke wrote:

 [skip/]
  I think that leaders who are still alive, but definitely out of
  business, should be free for inclusion in the rulesets. Out of
  business might be an argueable definition (Gorbachev is, Prodi is not)
  but I think we can solve it. The reason to exclude active leaders is to
  avoid too hot political discussions about their importance. There is no
  need to extend this on still living ex-leaders IMHO.

 Yes, out of business it too non-formalistic definition.
 To my mind, Gorbachev still acts in social and political life of Russia
 (For example, his recent letter to Gates)

  And, FWIW, I think Gorbachev earns a mention in the ruleset.

 A mention - yes. Place in leader list - not now. This is my private
 opinion, of course.

 PS [2Daniel? and others]: Maybe it would be nice to have more long
 nation legends, that will be accessible through in-game help?

 --
 Thanks, evyscr






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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-22 Thread Christian Knoke

URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

Egor Vyscrebentsov wrote on Feb 22, 01:26 (-0800):

  I think that leaders who are still alive, but definitely out of
  business, should be free for inclusion in the rulesets. Out of
  business might be an argueable definition (Gorbachev is, Prodi is not)
  but I think we can solve it. The reason to exclude active leaders is to
  avoid too hot political discussions about their importance. There is no
  need to extend this on still living ex-leaders IMHO.
 
 Yes, out of business it too non-formalistic definition.
 To my mind, Gorbachev still acts in social and political life of Russia
 (For example, his recent letter to Gates)

What about 20 years out of business?

Christian

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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-22 Thread Daniel Markstedt

URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

On 2/22/07, Christian Knoke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

 Egor Vyscrebentsov wrote on Feb 22, 01:26 (-0800):

   I think that leaders who are still alive, but definitely out of
   business, should be free for inclusion in the rulesets. Out of
   business might be an argueable definition (Gorbachev is, Prodi is not)
   but I think we can solve it. The reason to exclude active leaders is to
   avoid too hot political discussions about their importance. There is no
   need to extend this on still living ex-leaders IMHO.
 
  Yes, out of business it too non-formalistic definition.
  To my mind, Gorbachev still acts in social and political life of Russia
  (For example, his recent letter to Gates)

 What about 20 years out of business?

 Christian


The problem is how to define and verify out of business -- even if a
politician is out of the international spotlight, they might still be
leading a very active political life. That why I think one living
leader per nation policy is a good compromise.

 ~Daniel



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[Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-21 Thread Daniel Markstedt

URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Wed Feb 21 06:52:22 2007]:
 
 Hi,
 
  I made a patch for soviet.nation.
  Two last leaders added (Chernenko  Gorbachev).
  Also Kollontai was added, soviet diplomat
  and social feminist (as there are so few females).
 
 Thanks, Daniil.
 
 

Thanks for the patch! More influential females are always welcome. I'd
avoid adding Gorbachev though, since he is alive. See doc/README.nations
for details about Freeciv nation policy.

 ~Daniel

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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-21 Thread Egor Vyscrebentsov

URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:52:23 -0800 Daniil Ivanov wrote:

  I made a patch for soviet.nation.
  Two last leaders added (Chernenko  Gorbachev).
  Also Kollontai was added, soviet diplomat
  and social feminist (as there are so few females).

M.S. Gorbachov is currently living person.
Chernenko was, well, not so good _leader_.

That is why they were not in list.

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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-21 Thread Daniil Ivanov

URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

Okay.

On 21/02/07, Egor Vyscrebentsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 

 On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:52:23 -0800 Daniil Ivanov wrote:

   I made a patch for soviet.nation.
   Two last leaders added (Chernenko  Gorbachev).
   Also Kollontai was added, soviet diplomat
   and social feminist (as there are so few females).

 M.S. Gorbachov is currently living person.
 Chernenko was, well, not so good _leader_.

 That is why they were not in list.

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