Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN

[winter]

Hi,

 

I used the unit and colony images from the website part now to have higher res images

for when the map is zoomed in, as this was slightly less tedious than using the psd

files from old SVN (though there is some images where this will be necessary).

 

Website stuff:


While doing that I found and deleted some useless example images from the CMS.

I also noticed that the docs folder is outdated in git; its older than on the website

and probably unnecessary as it can be regenerated from the .tex files.

It would be nice if the developer.pdf and html could be added to the website.

Btw. there are many parts with weird outdated bugtracker/featuretracker embedding

and/or rss, some parts look like ad-scripting. I'd guess these could be removed,

unless your want to fix them?

There are broken links to the old sourceforge trackers inside history.html and IIRC

also some other page. I'd think these links could just be removed from the page.

 

Game:

I found there is an image for kings regular in scout role, but there is no resource key.

There are also no resource keys for other roles of the kings regular.

Is it 100% sure these can never be displayed? If for example one looses his weapons,

then finds some available horses it could result in a scout or not?

 


I found some scripts for making tiles, but did not investigate if they might work for

creating double sized rivers/forests/beaches/tile border transitions, which would

be nice to have.

 

Sadly the newer tile backgrounds have no art files in the SVN, there is only outdated

tiles and mountains. I wonder if anyone kept these somewhere?

 
It seems Stian Grenborgen added some variations to the colony images with different

fortifications 2006 in git.a1bb4545, but I did not find psd files for these in SVN, only for

the 6 older variants. Do you think there is a chance he might still have source art files

for these or other images, as there is still BR#2049 open?

Otherwise it might be possible to put together more than one of the available psd,

as I found many separate layers inside these, but that would be better done by

someone with Photoshop and more artistic talent than me.

 

Currently I just added higher res images which can be seen when zooming in the map.

Theoretically there are other images useful for people using --gui-scale option, but

I'm not sure if its useful enough to add these without suppressing loading of these

without the option (which would complicate the resource management)?

 

 

Greetings,

 

wintertime

 

 


Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 18:20 Uhr
Von: "Caleb Williams" <cale...@gmail.com>
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN


My 2 cents is to have either a separate trunk or in some way to put it in separate repository. I would have been a fan of doing that for the website too.

That way the source art is separate from the actual game-use art.

Caleb

On Nov 4, 2015 11:05 AM, <win...@genial.ms> wrote:

Hi,

> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 11:26 Uhr
> Von: "Michael T. Pope" <mp...@computer.org>
>
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:17:52 +0100
> win...@genial.ms wrote:
> > some time ago we already talked about rescuing some of the
> > source art files from SVN.
> >
> > I also happened to see some old discussion on debian games mailing
> > list about what should be required in terms of source for art files,
> > which made me think about licensing requirements and if some of this
> > stuff would actually needed to be included in the source packages?
>
> I am not sure artwork is in the same category as source code.  Do the FSF
> say anything about this?

My impression is they mostly just care about source code (and partially
documentation) and that resulted in the GPL only using words referring
to code. There is some statement where they recommend using GPL even though
they say you have to know yourself what sourcecode means (as they might
not even know themself):
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware
IIRC this ambiguity and uncertainty is one of the reasons CC-BY-SA was
created by people who care about artists.

> > Though it worries me that it might triple the size of the git repo.
> > What do you think?
>
> I would prefer not to grow the repo that much (indeed, I was hoping to
> evict the website directory in due course).  Perhaps we should start a
> freecol-artwork project.

Yeah, I pretty much want to avoid growing it too much, too. Thats why
I asked if you have a better idea and was trying to prune it before
adding it (I found a paint.net plugin for psd files which I'll try out).
A separate art repo might be a good idea, maybe you could convert the SVN
and git filter-branch inappropriate stuff like col1 o

Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN

[Caleb Williams]

My 2 cents is to have either a separate trunk or in some way to put it in
separate repository. I would have been a fan of doing that for the website
too.

That way the source art is separate from the actual game-use art.

Caleb
On Nov 4, 2015 11:05 AM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 11:26 Uhr
> > Von: "Michael T. Pope" 
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:17:52 +0100
> > win...@genial.ms wrote:
> > > some time ago we already talked about rescuing some of the
> > > source art files from SVN.
> > >
> > > I also happened to see some old discussion on debian games mailing
> > > list about what should be required in terms of source for art files,
> > > which made me think about licensing requirements and if some of this
> > > stuff would actually needed to be included in the source packages?
> >
> > I am not sure artwork is in the same category as source code.  Do the FSF
> > say anything about this?
>
> My impression is they mostly just care about source code (and partially
> documentation) and that resulted in the GPL only using words referring
> to code. There is some statement where they recommend using GPL even though
> they say you have to know yourself what sourcecode means (as they might
> not even know themself):
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware
> IIRC this ambiguity and uncertainty is one of the reasons CC-BY-SA was
> created by people who care about artists.
>
> > > Though it worries me that it might triple the size of the git repo.
> > > What do you think?
> >
> > I would prefer not to grow the repo that much (indeed, I was hoping to
> > evict the website directory in due course).  Perhaps we should start a
> > freecol-artwork project.
>
> Yeah, I pretty much want to avoid growing it too much, too. Thats why
> I asked if you have a better idea and was trying to prune it before
> adding it (I found a paint.net plugin for psd files which I'll try out).
> A separate art repo might be a good idea, maybe you could convert the SVN
> and git filter-branch inappropriate stuff like col1 or civ3 art.
> For the website its too late already, as you fiddling around with
> git filter-branch invalidates all commit hashes. I would just keep it
> for now, unless it helps with maintenance or upload of the website.
> I also found a number of useful higher res images in the website part,
> which I would want to keep, so I'd prefer you do not delete it, tell me
> when/if it happens and let me sort out what to delete and what not.
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> winteertime
>
>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN

[winter]

Hi,

> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 11:26 Uhr
> Von: "Michael T. Pope" 
>
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:17:52 +0100
> win...@genial.ms wrote:
> > some time ago we already talked about rescuing some of the
> > source art files from SVN.
> > 
> > I also happened to see some old discussion on debian games mailing
> > list about what should be required in terms of source for art files,
> > which made me think about licensing requirements and if some of this
> > stuff would actually needed to be included in the source packages?
> 
> I am not sure artwork is in the same category as source code.  Do the FSF
> say anything about this?

My impression is they mostly just care about source code (and partially
documentation) and that resulted in the GPL only using words referring
to code. There is some statement where they recommend using GPL even though
they say you have to know yourself what sourcecode means (as they might
not even know themself):
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware
IIRC this ambiguity and uncertainty is one of the reasons CC-BY-SA was
created by people who care about artists.

> > Though it worries me that it might triple the size of the git repo.
> > What do you think?
> 
> I would prefer not to grow the repo that much (indeed, I was hoping to
> evict the website directory in due course).  Perhaps we should start a
> freecol-artwork project.

Yeah, I pretty much want to avoid growing it too much, too. Thats why
I asked if you have a better idea and was trying to prune it before
adding it (I found a paint.net plugin for psd files which I'll try out).
A separate art repo might be a good idea, maybe you could convert the SVN
and git filter-branch inappropriate stuff like col1 or civ3 art.
For the website its too late already, as you fiddling around with
git filter-branch invalidates all commit hashes. I would just keep it
for now, unless it helps with maintenance or upload of the website.
I also found a number of useful higher res images in the website part,
which I would want to keep, so I'd prefer you do not delete it, tell me
when/if it happens and let me sort out what to delete and what not.


Greetings,

winteertime

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