Re: [Freedos-devel] FAT patents and freedos?

[tom ehlert]

Hello Blair,

> If something ever were to come up to restrict FreeDOS support for FAT,
> it would always be possible to implement another filesystem, such as
> LeanFS or ext2.

just implement LeanFS or ext2 for xxDOS, and you'll see why that's no
option

tom



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Re: [Freedos-devel] FAT patents and freedos?

[Blair Campbell]

If something ever were to come up to restrict FreeDOS support for FAT,
it would always be possible to implement another filesystem, such as
LeanFS or ext2.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FAT patents and freedos?

[Jim Hall]

I started looking more into the patents in question, and I'm not really 
concerned with respect to FreeDOS.  The 3 patents listed on 
 are:



* U.S. Patent #5,579,517
 Common name space for long and short filenames

* U.S. Patent #5,758,352
 Common name space for long and short filenames

* U.S. Patent #6,286,013
 Method and system for providing a common name space for long and short 
file names in an operating system



The abstracts for each look identical:

"An operating system provides a common name space for both long 
filenames and short filenames. In this common namespace, a long filename 
and a short filename are provided for each file. Each file has a short 
filename directory entry and may have at least one long filename 
directory entry associated with it. The number of long filename 
directory entries that are associated with a file depends on the number 
of characters in the long filename of the file. The long filename 
directory entries are configured to minimize compatibility problems with 
existing installed program bases."



None of these are directly related to FAT, per se.  They are more 
directly related to VFAT & LFN support.  IANAL, but this doesn't look 
very applicable to FreeDOS sans LFN.



-jh




Links:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=5579517.WKU.&OS=PN/5579517&RS=PN/5579517
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=5758352.WKU.&OS=PN/5758352&RS=PN/5758352
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=6286013.WKU.&OS=PN/6286013&RS=PN/6286013


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Re: [Freedos-devel] /M in SHSUCDX

[Robert Riebisch]

Aitor Santamaría Merino wrote:

> ATAPICD) agrees too. I assume the license of XCDROM is "good enough",
> right?

Yes, GNU GPL should be enough. ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FAT patents and freedos?

[Aitor Santamaría Merino]

And anyway, if it weren't so, we would look how it would impact on the 
Linux operating system. What is good for Linux would be good for us to.


Aitor

Jim Hall escribió:

Markus Laire wrote:


Slashdot has an article "Microsoft FAT Patent Upheld"
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/11/0555252&tid=155&tid=109

The discussion also links to the page "FAT File System Technology 
License"

http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp

Does anyone know if this is a problem for FreeDOS or not? The linked
page about FAT license only speaks about using FAT on a media, and not
about products using FAT.



Right, the page you linked to:
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp
is the important one.  As I understand it, the impact will be to 
manufacturers of devices.  Specifically mentioned in the fat.asp page are:



-A license for removable solid state media manufacturers
and:
-A license for manufacturers of certain consumer electronics devices


-jh




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Re: [Freedos-devel] /M in SHSUCDX

[Aitor Santamaría Merino]

Many thanks, Blair. I had it on my todo list but couldn't cope with it. 
Also thinking of the future of this bunch of info after FreeDOS 1.0.


BTW, I also agree with the XCDROM stuff, now that Jeremy (=mainainer of 
ATAPICD) agrees too. I assume the license of XCDROM is "good enough", right?


Aitor


Blair Campbell escribió:

Hi.  Just trying to clean-up the 1.0 todo list a little.  Does
everybody agree to take /M off the todo list for SHSUCDX?  Move it to
post-1.0?  Remove altogether (for a cache, CDRCACHE can be used
anyways)

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDPKG translation

[Alain]

Hi Blair,

Have you received my last mail about correcting some messages before 
translating?


Blair Campbell escreveu:

I see that there is a partial translation to portuguese/Brazil.

I can finish it, but who made it and is anyone working on it?

I just don't want to make diplicate efforts.



Umm.  No one contacted me about the translation, but one day it
appeared on the wiki (apparently edited by Carlos, the fd-doc guy
afair) incomplete, so I think it should be safe to finish personally. 
Maybe he even simply missed the 0.x messages.



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Re: [Freedos-devel] re: More Wiki Spam

[Alain]

Johnson Lam escreveu:

Of course, no need to login is better, but the world is so realistic
that bad guys DID exist.


Unfortunatly yes. :( :(


Or consider register email address instead of login name, a valid
email address should be more difficult for SPAMMERS.


Are you meaning that you have to register and then answer a confirmation 
email? It could work bu...


I don't like to give my email address to login in a site. I wouldn't in 
case of FreeDOS because I know the community, but outsiders may feel bad 
about it.


The impact can be lowered if you promisse that the Email will not be 
used in anyway.


Alain


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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re: another wiki idea...

[Kenneth J. Davis]

This feature (as it is implemented in pmwiki) is enabled on wiki.fdos.org.

Jeremy


On Tue, January 10, 2006 1:30 pm, Alain wrote:
> Eric sent this, I think it is a good idea too, so I am copying to the
> list :)
>
>> Not sure, we might already have that, but: Some Wiki
>> systems have the function "URLs are only turned into
>> links after an extra confirmation" (to make life harder
>> for spambots).
>>
>> Eric




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Re: [Freedos-devel] re: More Wiki Spam

[Kenneth J. Davis]

On Tue, January 10, 2006 7:57 pm, Johnson Lam wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:18:25 -0200, you wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>>It not a good thing to ban IPs. Most people now use dynamic IPs, that
>>means that I can get of of a pool of 1 million IPs. If you ban some of
>>these IPs, one day I could be luky to get that banned IP and I can go
>>crazy trying to figure out what is happening :(
>
> It's the last step of last step, and only the server log have
> duplicate IP again and again.
...

Well banning IPs wouldn't help with the current crop of wiki spam as
currently all that drug cr** is added at the same time from multiple
machines (with dynamic IPs).  From the looks it is a synchronized
distributed action, where they start at one wiki page and pass the links
to computers at other IP addresses and all of the edits are done at
roughly the same time.

Since I have very limited access at the moment I simply blocked usage of
the names they try to use (the wiki requires a name [any will do] but the
ones spamming the fdos wiki seem to reuse the same set).

Jeremy




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Re: [Freedos-devel] FAT patents and freedos?

[Jim Hall]

Markus Laire wrote:

Slashdot has an article "Microsoft FAT Patent Upheld"
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/11/0555252&tid=155&tid=109

The discussion also links to the page "FAT File System Technology License"
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp

Does anyone know if this is a problem for FreeDOS or not? The linked
page about FAT license only speaks about using FAT on a media, and not
about products using FAT.



Right, the page you linked to:
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp
is the important one.  As I understand it, the impact will be to 
manufacturers of devices.  Specifically mentioned in the fat.asp page are:



-A license for removable solid state media manufacturers
and:
-A license for manufacturers of certain consumer electronics devices


-jh

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[Freedos-devel] FAT patents and freedos?

[Markus Laire]

Slashdot has an article "Microsoft FAT Patent Upheld"
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/11/0555252&tid=155&tid=109

The discussion also links to the page "FAT File System Technology License"
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp

Does anyone know if this is a problem for FreeDOS or not? The linked
page about FAT license only speaks about using FAT on a media, and not
about products using FAT.

--
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