Re: [Freedos-devel] If I want to compile applications in FreeDOS, which compiler should I use?
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: At 06:20 PM 9/16/2011, Rugxulo wrote: DOS to most people means MS-DOS, which is indeed long dead. So is any other DOS. In a technical sense at least. DR-DOS is dead, PC-DOS is dead, PT-DOS is apparently dead as well... And FreeDOS original goal was to create a MS-DOS 6 clone, which would be freely distributable after the demise of those commercial versions... DOS to me has always meant MS-DOS or PC DOS. I can deal with the clones inasfar as they act like MS-DOS, and in general FreeDOS has been better at this on the user level, while DR DOS has been better under the hood. I guess it would be more crucial if there was a portable (a la POSIX) standard for DOS. ;-)) Considering all the variants out there, it's not the worst idea in the world (IMHO)! Well, that is/was MS/PC-DOS. QFT. Don't understand what else you mean/refer to as portable. DOS is grown up on the x86 platform, being the very OS that allowed the PC world as it exists today to develop. Where do you want to port it to? Well, there's a kindasorta DR DOS kernel port over on the 68K, but that's deader than x86 considering x86 is still very much alive and well :P Besides, it only mimics DOS 2.11. -uso. -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
[Freedos-devel] How does the boot sector know the partition start
Hello everybody, Recently I read about two examples of MBR boot code. One is Windows 98 MBR (not yet finished reading), another is Minix MBR (almost finished reading). The Minix MBR seems more advanced, but let me skip this for now. I see the MBR code essentially loads the boot sector of the active partition and puts it at address :7c00. Then the boot code is executed by jumping to that address. I have the following questions: 1. INT 0x13 with AH=0x42 does extended read operation. But what if the BIOS is old? Will it do nothing and set an error flag in CF? 2. Compared to the MBR, does the boot sector also contain partition location information? I searched the Web and looked at some pages about it, but didn't find any. Then, how does it call INT 13 and boot the kernel? Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks and best regards, Robbie (Decheng) Fan -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers
I am getting timeouts on that server. both web server and ftp server are dead. Status: Waiting to retry... Status: Resolving address of ftp.sysdev.org Status: Connecting to :21... Status: Connection attempt failed with ETIMEDOUT - Connection attempt timed out. Error: Could not connect to server is there a web site? all I can find is VMIX the video mixer. it costs $32. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KkuCkcCv87oJ:ftp://ftp.sysdev.org/pub/VMiX/vmixread.txt+vmix-86cd=3hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=firefox-a From: Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers At 11:46 AM 9/13/2011, jhall wrote: I emailed the contact person of VMiX yesterday, to see if he might be interested in opening VMiX as open source software. clicking on the [download] button leads to ftp://ftp.sysdev.org/pub/VMiX-3/ so it's possible no one is working on VMiX anymore. If they would be willing to open VMiX under the GNU GPL, I'd love to see us add VMiX to a future release of FreeDOS. it's GNU LESSER GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE. how much more o you expect ? That's interesting! The file I read on their site said shareware, so I didn't look further. Maybe I was looking at an old file. I'll look at this again. Only the BABy part (Basic ABstraction Layer) tool/library is under LGPL, the rest is still marked as shareware... Ralf -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA Learn about the latest advances in developing for the BlackBerryreg; mobile platform with sessions, labs more. See new tools and technologies. Register for BlackBerryreg; DevCon today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy1 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers
At 11:14 AM 9/17/2011, Jim Michaels wrote: I am getting timeouts on that server. both web server and ftp server are dead. Yeah, looks like they closed the FTP server... is there a web site? all I can find is VMIX the video mixer. Could it possibly cross your mind to try sysdev.org? :? Ralf -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Bad dates / false updates in Software List
Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.freedos.org/software/?cat=base The list pretends many things (HIMEMX, FREECOM, DISKCOPY, ...) to have been updated recently 2011, but this is not true. As mentioned, it's because the date is from when the LSM was updated, not the files themselves. Also the directory timestamps at ibibio are bad / misleading, but surprisingly not for DISKCOPY. To my eyes, all the dirs for Diskcopy seem to have the same date (21 Jan 2008), so I don't see how it's better here. IIRC I had already complained about this some time ago, I can vaguely understand wanting to easily know when something was last updated, but I don't think it's hugely important (or realistic) here. isn't there a set directory timestamps to newest content ? Dunno, I'm pretty *nix noobish, so I couldn't tell you. Anyways, iBiblio is the server, and they run Linux, so whatever Linux does or accepts is what you have to live with: [freedos@login1 ~]$ uptime 14:19:27 up 60 days, 4:59, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.09 [freedos@login1 ~]$ whoami freedos [freedos@login1 ~]$ uname -a Linux login1.ibiblio.org 2.6.18-238.12.1.el5 #1 SMP Tue May 31 13:22:04 EDT 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux I did just now create a temporary subdir under /tmp, used touch -r to use a different file as reference for date, which changed it to 2005, but as soon as you do anything in the newly-created subdir (e.g. create a new text file), the datestamp (at least as shown by default ls) resets to current date. So yeah, that's *nix for ya. I think it'd be too tedious to re-date everything in the archive, esp. for so little benefit. In other words, if you want to know when something was updated, it's probably best just to download it and see for yourself. (Even that's not immune to misleading dates, e.g. it could be a newer recompile of an older tool. And some rare packages erroneously have dates in the future. This is why some people manually datestamp their documents internally.) BTW, I have already been trying to use unzip -T on any files I upload, but usually I don't go searching around applying that to everything and the kitchen sink. ;-) -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers
you are right, I am wrong. I've been wrong before. somehow I thought someone had said the project was on sourceforge. (sf.net) many projects on sf.net also have their own regular web sites. From: Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net To: Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers At 06:44 PM 9/15/2011, Jim Michaels wrote: uh-oh - it shouldn't be on sf.net if it's shareware. that's a violation of the terms of service. you might want to dig further into that with the authors, because some people think the word shareware means freeware. so you might want to see if they are actually charging a fee for the product or not. If they are, then they are violating the terms of service and it is actually shareware. if they are not, you should probably help them by telling them what the definition of shareware is. What the heck are you talking about? How do you come to think they are on SourceForge? Ralf -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
