Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

[Chris Evans]

Javascript is Livescript from netscape days, PR move on their part when
java was big name

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On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Tom Ehlert  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> a) please don't mix Java and Javascript. this is not even apples and
> oranges
>
> b) this list is intended to discuss FreeDOS developer related issues. I
> don't
> see how Java, Javascript, Os/2, ... fit into this categorie
>
> c) there are MANY other mailing list to post you general feelings
> about java, programming, and the kitchen sink. not his one please.
>
>
> Tom
>
> am 24. April 2014 um 19:25 schrieben Sie:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Charles Belhumeur
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Experience has given me a preference for low-level machine compilable
> >> languages Assembler and like the various flavors of C.
>
> > Most other popular language implementations are written in C. (Usually
> > it's loosely C99 + POSIX + extensions, due to heavy *nix bias. Well,
> > you've gotta start somewhere.) From that alone, you could say, "C is
> > good enough for everything". Or you could say, "It's so weak, it has
> > to be extended." The simple truth is that everybody's needs are
> > different.
>
> > But in particular, most people aren't developers, and most OSes don't
> > come with any compilers (installed) by default. Thus, for simple tasks
> > (that aren't speed intensive), you're usually given some kind of
> > interpreter, e.g. sh or awk or bc or rexx or qbasic or cmd or
> > powershell or similar. After all, there's no advantage to writing
> > tedious boilerplate just to calculate a few numbers or manipulate a
> > text file or run several programs in batch style.
>
> >> I don't like languages like JAVA that ride a non-machine specific
> protocol
> >> and ride atop emulators or interpreters on top a browser on top an OS
> on top
> >> sophisticated hardware.
>
> > They say the JVM was inspired by Pascal p-code. It's meant to be
> > portable. You compile once, and then all you need is to port the
> > interpreter in order to run anywhere. If you make the interpreter fast
> > (or have a JIT), then speed won't be an issue. And BTW, I think the
> > Hotspot VM is written in C++. It's really not much different from a
> > compiler that internally translates to intermediate code before making
> > that into machine-specific code to run natively.
>
> > Of course going directly to machine code is maybe faster overall, but
> > machine code is not portable. (Granted, portability is a ruse, almost
> > nobody even pretends to care about lesser OSes and arches, only the
> > billion-dollar platforms, which IMO defeats the point.)
>
> >> They tend to be problematic, flaky, because
> >> you don't know what all the routines you ride are doing or if they're
> >> reliable across all implementations.
>
> > I don't grok Java, but even I know that there are many VMs and many
> > different compilers. No, by default, you don't know how reliable they
> > all are. Everything has bugs (or limitations or design flaws), that's
> > unavoidable. All you can do is try to minimize it. Many language
> > implementations succeed at this, but others fail.
>
> > IMO, I find it's best to have a clear specification for the language
> > and a decent test suite. Java has both, IIRC. So, as long as those
> > stay consistent with your implementation, you have at least some
> > reassurance about how it will function.
>
> >> And the hit in performance you take riding on top all those routines
> >> written by wankers really sucks compared to what you get from machine
> >> specific compiled code.  I spend enough time looking the hourglass
> >> waiting for JAVA scripts to run as it is.  I don't want to add to this
> >> wank'in time wasting practice.
>
> > I'll admit that a modern web browser is probably 100x too complicated
> > for its own good. What started out simple became a horrible behemoth.
> > I don't think Javascript is necessarily the best choice for heavy-duty
> > apps, but that's just my opinion (and luckily nobody cares what I
> > think). But even Javascript often has a JIT these days. I too would
> > rather just run something offline on my desktop than through a
> > browser. But I guess there are some things you can't do without
> > Javascript (and some environments where that is the most obvious
> > target).
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos release!

[Chris Evans]

Its the startup bios that supports boot mode. once they move from legacy to
UEFI your older mbr drives will not boot.


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with MBR partitioning will still be bootable, subject to the underlyimg OS
being otherwise compatible with the hardware.

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On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Thomas Mueller  wrote:

>
> Excerpt from Rugxulo:
>
> > DOS on modern IBM PC clones have too many hardware compatibility
> > issues:  power management, lack of networking (almost no packet
> > drivers), no soundcard drivers (or even static libs), almost no USB
> > support. It doesn't look like most hardware companies care enough to
> > waste time on it. Heck, half the time they don't seem to even properly
> > support Linux. And DJGPP isn't exactly brimming with enthusiastic new
> > users or tons of ports from Linux maintainers either.
>
> > So expecting anything beyond what we've already got is probably naive
> > (sadly). They probably (rightly? hope not!) think that DOS will really
> > disappear once the BIOS is totally replaced by UEFI in all new OEM
> > shipments. I know some people think some partial BIOS compatibility
> > will be available, but I'm very skeptical.
>
> > In other words, it's complicated!
>
> Now I have modern computer hardware, and can't even successfully install
> FreeDOS.
>
> I once succeeded on a 4 GB USB stick, Ativa, twist-turn style, but that
> went bad, actually came apart physically.
>
> This installation could read the header/title of a CD but no more in a
> SATA DVD-RW drive.
>
> I also had a FreeDOS installation on a 341 MB IDE hard drive but can no
> longer read that hard drive, now using Sabrent USB 2.0 enclosure.
>
> I am able to read two other old IDE hard drives in that enclosure.
>
> But there is hope, considering that the FreeDOS image on System Rescue CD
> boots and runs, at least if I use no memory manager.
>
> FreeDOS can read and write to USB drive with FAT16 or FAT32 file system
> thanks to BIOS/UEFI support, but only as a fixed disk: only when in port at
> boot time, and no good when changing USB sticks.
>
> FreeDOS can't read my hard drive because of lack of support for GPT.
>
> I can't access Ethernet or wi-fi through FreeDOS at all, at least not yet.
>  I haven't downloaded Glenn McCorkle's March 2013 update of Arachne for
> DOS.  Even if I could make the network work in FreeDOS, lack of support for
> Javascript or HTTPS makes Arachne useful just as a curiosity; so many more
> functional browsers available for Linux and BSD.
>
> I wonder about the possibility of making hardware work in FreeDOS through
> UEFI initializing the devices, or Ethernet through PXE boot.
>
> I believe DJGPP is pretty much lame-duck now.
>
> I'd guess that, even with UEFI replacing legacy BIOS, bootable USB sticks
> with MBR partitioning will still be bootable, subject to the underlyimg OS
> being otherwise compatible with the hardware.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos releASE!

[Chris Evans]

an opensource dos is best

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM, sparky4  wrote:

> read the licence and find out why!
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Re: [Freedos-devel] GARBO dead?

[Chris Evans]

garbo.uwasa.fi is mirrored at http://digitalatoll.com:8080/pub/garbo/

-


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Aitor Santamaría wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I don't know if you realised, but the GARBO files at University of Waasa
> seems dead?
>
> http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/garbo.HTML
>
> It was a nice repository of, at times, useful stuff, does anyone know if
> it had been mirrored somewhere else before it died?
>
> Thanks,
> Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-devel] GARBO dead?

[Chris Evans]

Garbo been down for awhile now, too bad was nice dos lib
On Dec 26, 2013 2:56 PM, "Aitor Santamaría"  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I don't know if you realised, but the GARBO files at University of Waasa
> seems dead?
>
> http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/garbo.HTML
>
> It was a nice repository of, at times, useful stuff, does anyone know if
> it had been mirrored somewhere else before it died?
>
> Thanks,
> Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos ftp server?

[Chris Evans]

Have you tried http://sourceforge.net/projects/freedos ?



On Saturday, September 14, 2013, Jim Michaels wrote:

> is there a freedos public ftp server I can download the files from?
> all the old ones like ftp.ibiblio.org and ftp.usf.edu seem to be gone.
> so where to now?
> also, I hagve a freedos floppy image, (or I could make a hard drive image)
> and I would like to make a bootable cdrom, but without emulation if this is
> possible. how can I do this correctly? the [floppy] emulation disables my
> floppy drive, which I need - I need both files-on-cdrom and floppy access.
> thanks.
>
> I have mkisofs from cdrtfe for windows, so I can make isos.
>
> http://help.fdos.org/1.05/en/index.htm
> also, I would like to know how to use initdisk, it provides a menu of 0..5
> items to choose from + Enter. it says to choose form the menu, but there is
> no ,menu. what do those options mean? I also noticed that it gives error
> messages about my 2 and 4TB disks with NTFS.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] bugs report (KERNEL)

[Chris Evans]

Completely removing apm/acpi will break a lot of older software
If the companies are smart they will keep it in.

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On Friday, July 12, 2013, Bret Johnson wrote:

> > ... during our testing we even found, with new "EFI" compatibilty
> > BIOS modules, gigantic EBDAs (one 47 kbytes - OMG what do 'they'
> > hide in there !)
>
> I'm wondering if you've also found that at least some of the new computers
> don't have either APM or ACPI compatibility any more.  My newest HP laptop
> doesn't have either -- I guess they've made the "full leap" to EFI.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Return instruction in batch files

[Chris Evans]

It would work with goto statement where goto stores it's line number on
stack say and jump to label and when return statement is will return to the
line number plus one on the stack
On May 17, 2013 12:51 PM, "Rugxulo"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Bernd Blaauw  wrote:
> > Chris Evans schreef op 17-5-2013 21:23:
> >
> >> I wonder if a return command /instruction can be added so batch files
> >> can have function like behavior ...
> >
> > Try 4DOS 8.00 as command interpreter, it's freeware nowadays (with
> > sources available). Things like GOSUB are supported.
>
> Oh, if all you want are user-callable functions a la BASIC's GOSUB +
> RETURN, you can easily fake those in any DOS shell:
>
> @echo off
> if "%1"=="-greet" goto greet
> for %%a in (bernd chris rugxulo) do call %0 -greet %%a
> goto end
> :greet
> shift
> echo ===
> echo Hello, %1 !
> echo ===
> echo.
> :end
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[Freedos-devel] Return instruction in batch files

[Chris Evans]

I wonder if a return command /instruction can be added so batch files can
have function like behavior ...

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Re: [Freedos-devel] I found limitation bugs!

[Chris Evans]

Because kernel and mem are 32bit
They have to use bcd or 64bit to address
More than 4gb

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On Wednesday, January 30, 2013, sparky4 wrote:

> I found one in the program called mem and in the program called df
>
> apparently df is just simply outdated by 18 years and
> mem can read up to 4 GB of ram
>
> hmm i wonder if it is the kernel limits or just mem's limits?
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] What about Aura M3 website

[Chris Evans]

I my opinion quotas suck, why have them



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> They probably just need to pay their bills...
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Re: [Freedos-devel] What about Aura M3 website

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They need to get a better web host,


On Friday, December 7, 2012, eLEGOlo wrote:

> Hi to everyone!
>
> Is there someone who knows anything about the finncomputers.com - guys as
> the website seems to be blocked by the hoster. I am very interested in that
> stuff and the developers. (The software Aura M3 is still available at
> doscore.net)
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Re: [Freedos-devel] undocumented behaviour in INT21h/AX=6501h

[Chris Evans]

I thought that les  is similar to lea and will put the seg, offset of
variable into es:di




On Saturday, December 1, 2012, Tom Ehlert wrote:

>
> >>3). "LES DI,mem" loads ES:DI with the 32-bit pointer value stored at
> >>[mem], not the address of mem itself.
>
> > The "LES, DI, a" instruction that I have give as a
> > correct/alternative instruction will do exactly what is intended,
> > setting ES:DI to the address of the buffer that us to be filled with
> > the function call...
> definitively not.
>
>LES, DI, a
>
> will load ES:DI with the *content* of a, not the address of a
>
>   some compilers (MSC, TurboC) accept
>
>   mov ax, seg a
>   mov es, ax
>   lea di, a
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Keyboard problem

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> I just installed KEYB 2.0 with layout 2.5 that I downloaded from ibiblio. It 
> is working great under DOSEMU.
> *Except* for one key.
> This is an oddity of my keyboard, it is a "small" keyboard and it has a
 layout like a notebook but on a desktop and it has a key for 
> characters
 "/" and "?" that is just besides the Alt-Grey.
> I tested with KEYCODE.EXE but it doesn't generate anything at all :( Is
 there another program to show the scancodes?

What machine you on?
scancode shows the /? key on this laptop as 2f/3f hex maybe run int16 and take 
a look at th scancode that keyboard is putting out for it?

http://www.aotksc.com/dmsoft/scancode.com

Key/Scan/Shift
 ==|==|==
 2F  35  00
 3F  35  02
 
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[Freedos-devel] ARM & freedos

[chris evans]

Does Freedos run on the ARM cpu ?  how can that be done, Seems that chip is 
bets for small computing project. 
maybe a ARM processor with CS8900 Ethernet card. the smallest was the ts3300 or 
the Pegasus (386ex, pc104).  x86 embedded  seems to be a joke mostly. means teh 
asm have to converted to risc a major pain too. 

http://www.ap-systems.co.uk/armhardware.htm
 
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Re: [Freedos-devel] looking for freedos webspace and more

[chris evans]

http://www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/stuff/soft/specials/

This one or which ?   I would offer mine, but you never know about hosting 
costs..   

maybe. could be a solution. 

 
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- Original Message 
From: Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:50:00 AM
Subject: [Freedos-devel] looking for freedos webspace and more


Hi everybody,

my current homepage is about to expire, so I am looking for
a new place to store my stuff. The page is less than 100 MB,
of which maybe 1/4 DOS and 1/4 pics. Hosting the DOS stuff
has priority, but I would like to have a bit of space for
my personal homepage as well. The page should be hosted in
Europe and should be reachable by scp. If it was possible
to store mail there, in a spam-filtered way, it would be
even better. I would also need a 2nd email address or some
sort of sort-filter to put freedos mailing list mails into
a separate mail folder. Mail access should be possible in
a secure way (imap-ssl, pop3-ssl, ssh and pine, something
similar...) and of course it should be possible to send
mail as well. Solutions which help with either the mail
or the webspace are very welcome, but solutions which do
both categories at the same time are even better :-).

If you have helpful ideas for my "expire problem", please
let me know. Thanks :-).

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-devel] website downtime

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I was joking.  blah.   humor is in the delivery of the message it appears.

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- Original Message 
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To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:55:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] website downtime


>- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>Van: chris evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Verzonden: woensdag, augustus 15, 2007 02:48 PM
>Aan: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] website downtime
>
>XP/Vista is spyware.
>

Thank you for pointing that out.

Altough totally useless, reactos in nowhere stable enough for me :-(


Imre

>
>
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>
>Hi,
>
>Is the FreeDOS website always down or do I have spyware on my computer?
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] website downtime

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XP/Vista is spyware.



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Subject: [Freedos-devel] website downtime

Hi,

Is the FreeDOS website always down or do I have spyware on my computer?






   

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Re: [Freedos-devel] LPTtest v1.3

[chris evans]

>But it has no sense. LPTtest is supposed to be a part of FreeDOS and FreeDOS
>itself has own copy of COPYING. Why should every small binary to have own
>copy of this license?

>Maybe rather to spread it as public domain?

I thought that all was necessary in a program like this is a small comment that 
is is under the GPL at start.


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Re: [Freedos-devel] Fwd: MGRX graphic library released

[chris evans]

n/m the prev. reply ,  thanks. !

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- Original Message 
From: Florian Xaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:03:34 AM
Subject: [Freedos-devel] Fwd: MGRX graphic library released

Hi,

sorry, I forgot the link:
http://www.fgrim.com/mgrx/

MGRX supports:
* Linux X11: linux 2.6.18, Xorg 7.2, gcc 4.1.2
* Linux fb: linux 2.6.18, gcc 4.1.2
* DJGPP: djdev 2.03, gcc 4.1.2
* Win32: Windows XP, MinGW 3.1.0-1

GRX supports
* DJGPP
* Pascal
* BGI API (BorlandC graphic driver API )
* Turbo C
* Wattcom
* MSC
* and some X11 implementations over mainframes.

(GRX is horrible...it includes so many things, that maintaining it
would be very difficult).


Bye
 Flo

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> Hi, which platforms were supported in GRX, which are in MGRX?

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