Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
On 11/3/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > 3-Ноя-2006 10:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Riebisch) wrote to > freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: > > >> Looks like this program is only for handling local CVS databases? > RR> Yes. How about porting a newer CVS version to DJGPP + WATTCP for TCP > RR> connections? ;-) > > I myself have no experience in network programming. :( Which is why WATT-32 exists. It emulates sufficiently BSD Sockets, which are used in virtually every networking package designed for unix. > > RR> see http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/ > > What you wish to say by this URL? > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
On 11/2/06, Bernd Blaauw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blair Campbell schreef: > > He meant the OpenWatcom package that is supplied with FreeDOS 1.0, but > > I don't know what that has to do with config.bat > > > What I mean is that the kernel sources (if installed by FreeDOS 1.0.0) > use a file named config.bat to indicate compiler settings. > Also, FreeDOS 1.0.0 can install OpenWatcom. As computers are here to > make our lives easier, does the FreeDOS installation proces, > when both these programs (OW, Kernel sources) are installed, also > configure the config.bat file in the kernel sources directory? > > If it doesn't It's like installing FreeDOS files and not making a > config.sys/autoexec.bat, also letting the fresh dos user in the cold. > So nice if a basic FreeDOS install would be able to download and compile > new sources from the internet by default :) I see it completely opposite, sorry. If a person is willing to compile a kernel themselves, they should expect to have to do some configuration manually. Just like when I compile my own linux kernels, I can spend up to an hour on config alone. (because I don't use defaults :-)). And if a person just wants default kernel behavior, I see no reason to compile a kernel at all; just use the one in the distro. > > IIRC there is a CVS client for DOS, but I might have to find it. > > > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu > as stated on http://freedos-32.sourceforge.net/showdoc.php?page=howto-cvs ? > > Oh, and btw everyone, the latest FreeCOM changes have been in CVS for > > _months_... > > > Other than on the FreeDOS 1.0.0 CD, where can I normally download the > exact sourcecode/docs/binaries as files? > No formal releases of "2036" nor "0.84-final" do exist to my knowledge. > Do > "http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/pkgs/"; > count as the official releases > (kernels, sysx, commandx, commands) ? Yes > And while playing World of Warcraft, lost track of which kernel sources > are built by fdos.org as well. They are out of date extrememly AFAIK. > > Enjoy the weekend after a 60hr work week :) > > Bernd > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Hi! 3-Ноя-2006 10:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Riebisch) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> Looks like this program is only for handling local CVS databases? RR> Yes. How about porting a newer CVS version to DJGPP + WATTCP for TCP RR> connections? ;-) I myself have no experience in network programming. :( RR> see http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/ What you wish to say by this URL? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
"Arkady V.Belousov" wrote: > Looks like this program is only for handling local CVS databases? Yes. How about porting a newer CVS version to DJGPP + WATTCP for TCP connections? ;-) see http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/ Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Hi! 3-Ноя-2006 07:36 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> IIRC there is a CVS client for DOS, but I might have to find it. BB> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu BB> as stated on http://freedos-32.sourceforge.net/showdoc.php?page=howto-cvs ? >cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/freedos login CVS commands are: ... >cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/freedos co -P install cvs checkout: Your CVSROOT is set for a remote access method cvs checkout: but your CVS executable doesn't support it cvs checkout: (:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/freedos) cvs [checkout aborted]: Bad CVSROOT. Looks like this program is only for handling local CVS databases? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Blair Campbell schreef: > He meant the OpenWatcom package that is supplied with FreeDOS 1.0, but > I don't know what that has to do with config.bat > What I mean is that the kernel sources (if installed by FreeDOS 1.0.0) use a file named config.bat to indicate compiler settings. Also, FreeDOS 1.0.0 can install OpenWatcom. As computers are here to make our lives easier, does the FreeDOS installation proces, when both these programs (OW, Kernel sources) are installed, also configure the config.bat file in the kernel sources directory? If it doesn't It's like installing FreeDOS files and not making a config.sys/autoexec.bat, also letting the fresh dos user in the cold. So nice if a basic FreeDOS install would be able to download and compile new sources from the internet by default :) > IIRC there is a CVS client for DOS, but I might have to find it. > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu as stated on http://freedos-32.sourceforge.net/showdoc.php?page=howto-cvs ? > Oh, and btw everyone, the latest FreeCOM changes have been in CVS for > _months_... > Other than on the FreeDOS 1.0.0 CD, where can I normally download the exact sourcecode/docs/binaries as files? No formal releases of "2036" nor "0.84-final" do exist to my knowledge. Do "http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/pkgs/"; count as the official releases (kernels, sysx, commandx, commands) ? And while playing World of Warcraft, lost track of which kernel sources are built by fdos.org as well. Enjoy the weekend after a 60hr work week :) Bernd - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
On 11/2/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > 2-Ноя-2006 19:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to > freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: > > BB> Also I'm curious if installing OpenWatcom from FreeDOS 1.0 configures > BB> the config.bat, > > OW doesn't presents DOS installer. If you wrote own installer, you may > update there anything. He meant the OpenWatcom package that is supplied with FreeDOS 1.0, but I don't know what that has to do with config.bat > > BB> and optionally a file for getting > BB> the CVS contents from internet (if there are daily builds there, or DOS > BB> has a CVS client?) > > Unfortunately, not hear about such beasties. There is not much clients > even for Windows. :( IIRC there is a CVS client for DOS, but I might have to find it. Oh, and btw everyone, the latest FreeCOM changes have been in CVS for _months_... > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Hi! 2-Ноя-2006 19:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BB> Also I'm curious if installing OpenWatcom from FreeDOS 1.0 configures BB> the config.bat, OW doesn't presents DOS installer. If you wrote own installer, you may update there anything. BB> and optionally a file for getting BB> the CVS contents from internet (if there are daily builds there, or DOS BB> has a CVS client?) Unfortunately, not hear about such beasties. There is not much clients even for Windows. :( - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Arkady V.Belousov schreef: > EA> But no valid install targets. > > This is another question. > FreeCOM does allow COPY NUL C:\TEST.TXT resulting in a 0 byte file. Can't help it if MS COMMAND.COM doesn't allow it, we're using FreeCOM anyway for installation purposes due to its added functionality. What we need by the way is the kernel and shell from FreeDOS 1.0 put into CVS somewhere. Also I'm curious if installing OpenWatcom from FreeDOS 1.0 configures the config.bat, and optionally a file for getting the CVS contents from internet (if there are daily builds there, or DOS has a CVS client?) Anyway, above issue I tried to work around depending on a config.sys' SHELL=... /F requirement (on bootdisk), because otherwise the CD hangs while trying to see if C: is writable or not by creating a file there and checking if it exists. Bernd - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Hi! 2-Ноя-2006 18:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to "Arkady V.Belousov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> EA> cdrom drives have drive letters and are non-FAT, plus >> But then they anyway "formatted". :) EA> But no valid install targets. This is another question. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Hi! 2-Ноя-2006 15:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to "Arkady V.Belousov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> You can't write on non-FAT partitions, because such partitions >> don't get drive letter. EA> cdrom drives have drive letters and are non-FAT, plus But then they anyway "formatted". :) There is only one questionable case - removable devices. But even in this case non-FAT media will not be recognized (and, thus, writable). - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Hi! 11-Окт-2006 12:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> %comspec% /f /c copy nul c:\test.txt EA> This is probably because the FIRST shell does the redirection and EA> the second shell only does ECHO YES! Good point. And of course it EA> would be very good to use OSCHECK BEFORE trying to create files EA> on C:, to avoid some unnecessary write attempts on non-FAT drives. You can't write on non-FAT partitions, because such partitions don't get drive letter. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Hi! 11-Окт-2006 02:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BB> * SETUP.BAT batchfile, line 99, which tests if a file can be created on BB> C:\ , kinda needs a change. It relies on redirection and on BB> the /F parameter of the SHELL LINE in a config.sys file. A better BB> workaround might be something like: BB> @echo off BB> %comspec% /f /c copy nul c:\test.txt BB> if not exist c:\test.txt format c: BB> if exist c:\test.txt del c:\test.txt BB> "%comspec% /f /c echo yes > c:\test.txt" seems not to function, the 2nd Another dumb decision from MS, but COPY doesn't copies empty (zero size) files. To _make_ zero size file, may be used redirection on empty command line: >empty or used TYPE: type nul>empty BB> shell closes before redirection already, and thus if primary shell has no /F BB> parameter, you'll get half a dozen "abort/retry/fail" questions before BB> FreeCOM/kernel gives up. Yes, with redirection there are many troubles. :( To solve such issue, redirectiion should be delayed. For this, may be used self-calling. Example: @echo off if "%1"=="@@@" goto makeempty ... %comspec% /f /c %0 @@@ ... goto end :makeempty type nul>empty goto end :end - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
> You know, a small piece of code could be written to simply read the > partition table and check for FAT/FAT32 partitions instead of the > whole %comspec% /f thing... The answer to this is two-fold... First, things are not that simple. You can get drives from various sources, and it can be complex to have exactly the same logics as the kernel. Second, it is not that complex :-). You can ask the kernel to give you the boot sector for a given drive letter. That saves you the work of finding out which partition is which drive letter. The problem with that is, that for some UNKNOWN REASON (probably it was needed to work around some old problem, does anybody remember?) our kernel tends to provide "invented" but valid file- system info for unformatted partitions. Which is why the extra "try to create a file to see if the partition really works" check is needed. Still you can get a more elegant check by first running some boot sector based tool like my OSCHECK before you actually go to the "try to write" step. Again, no partition table parsing is required for either of the checks :-). Eric - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
You know, a small piece of code could be written to simply read the
partition table and check for FAT/FAT32 partitions instead of the whole
%comspec% /f thing. Actually, I thought the setup program was going to be
re-written anyway.
-T
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From: "Eric Auer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
>
> Hi Bernd,
>
>> Guys, where's the best place to put some feedback on the 1.0 ISO? tiny
>> bugreports and tiny enhancement ideas as well to an otherwise great
>> distro already.
>
>> * Bugzilla?
>
> for real bugs ;-)
>
>> * Tech Wiki?
>> * Install Wiki?
>
> you can add a note about misbehaving 1.0 things to the
> http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
> wiki page, to inform other users about the problem. only if
> the problem is interesting enough for them, of course.
>
>> * Mailinglist?
>
> you have to decide yourself whether things are interesting
> for the list. sometimes it can be better to mail a few
> people directly first, and only start using the list as
> soon as things start being of public interest.
>
>> * Privately mail Blair Campbell?
>
> please also CC the developers of the affected software and
> people who are interested in distro creation, like you Bernd
> and me and Fritz (as we have that diskette distro).
>
>> * Are the exact sourcefiles of kernel, freecom, install and mem all in
>> public CVS somewhere or are modified versions included on the CD?
>
> For MEM, the version on http://freedos.sourceforge.net/mem/ (1.11) is
> even newer than the FreeDOS 1.0 one. The used kernel is not completely
> in CVS yet (sorry about that), the CVS only has 2036test. The real 2036
> can be found on www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/stuff/soft/by-others/
> ... as for FreeCOM, you would have to ask Blair if all changes are in
> CVS already.
>
>> * Is there any specification on what files should go to an ODIN
>> diskette? with a batchfile and full installed FreeDOS (or LiveCD?)
>> it should be easy enough to create such a disk I guess?
>
> It is your own choice what exactly to put in ODIN. The install CD
> has a directory called ODIN as far as I remember, you could start
> with that and remove some install-specific files... My own diskette
> distro attempts have a size of 3 diskettes at the moment, but you
> can do a lot with disk 1 of 3 already :-). The distro contains a
> full install of fdbasecd, with most of the docs zipped :-).
>
>> * on CDROM, HELP refuses to run on CD, as ODIN directory's index.htm
>> refers to /EN/INDEX.HTM which doesn't exist on CD
>
> Good point, thanks for finding out! You should add that to the
> mentioned Wiki page.
>
>> * FreeCOM has a whiteline at VER, but not at CLS for example, this
>> prevents SET /E MYVARS=VER
>
> Interesting problem, but if you only want the version NUMBER, then
> you better use a small tool which returns that as the errorlevel.
> I could write one if you do not already have one. Takes a few bytes.
>
>> * SETUP batchfile has no /? for anyone who would like to find out
>> what's it for ("installing FreeDOS 1.0 operating system").
>
> Right. And it should use the copy of SHSURDRV which is on the
> cdrom, not the one which it assumes to be in the caller PATH...
>
>> * SETUP batchfile, line 99, which tests if a file can be created on
>> C:\ , kinda needs a change. It relies on redirection and on
>> the /F parameter of the SHELL LINE in a config.sys file. A better
>> workaround might be something like:
>
>> @echo off
>> %comspec% /f /c copy nul c:\test.txt
>> if not exist c:\test.txt format c:
>> if exist c:\test.txt del c:\test.txt
>
> That is too extreme and does not explain what is happening and
> why. But it is okay to use %comspec% /f for the main check.
> Nice idea. Does copying nul work like that? Use another small
> file which is in the distro anyway otherwise :-).
>
>> "%comspec% /f /c echo yes > c:\test.txt" seems not to function, the 2nd
>> shell closes before redirection already, and thus if primary shell has
>> no /F parameter, you'll get half a dozen "abort/retry/fail" questions
>> before FreeCOM/kernel gives up.
>
> This is probably because the FIRST shell does the redirection and
> the second shell only does ECHO YES! Good point. And of course it
> would be very good to use OSCHECK BEFORE trying to create files
> on C:, to avoid some unnecessary write attempts on non-FAT drives.
>
> If OSCHECK is not suitable for that for any reason, for example if
> it
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Alain M. wrote: > Eric Auer escreveu: >> >> you have to decide yourself whether things are interesting >> for the list. sometimes it can be better to mail a few >> people directly first, and only start using the list as >> soon as things start being of public interest. > > That has been an old source of disagreement between Eric and me. In my > point of view, the list is for all discussions execpt those of really > private subjects, Eric likes to discuss things in private and then post > to the list. I believe that most discussions get richer on the list with > more people involved... But we are still good friends :) Usually I don't forward a private mail to the list unless the sender asks me to, because private mail is for private communications (and I assume that the sender doesn't want what's whispered in the ear to be screamed from the rooftops) and public mail is for public communications, and I clearly delineate the two. -uso. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Eric Auer escreveu: > > you have to decide yourself whether things are interesting > for the list. sometimes it can be better to mail a few > people directly first, and only start using the list as > soon as things start being of public interest. That has been an old source of disagreement between Eric and me. In my point of view, the list is for all discussions execpt those of really private subjects, Eric likes to discuss things in private and then post to the list. I believe that most discussions get richer on the list with more people involved... But we are still good friends :) Alain - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Hi Bernd,
> Guys, where's the best place to put some feedback on the 1.0 ISO? tiny
> bugreports and tiny enhancement ideas as well to an otherwise great
> distro already.
> * Bugzilla?
for real bugs ;-)
> * Tech Wiki?
> * Install Wiki?
you can add a note about misbehaving 1.0 things to the
http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
wiki page, to inform other users about the problem. only if
the problem is interesting enough for them, of course.
> * Mailinglist?
you have to decide yourself whether things are interesting
for the list. sometimes it can be better to mail a few
people directly first, and only start using the list as
soon as things start being of public interest.
> * Privately mail Blair Campbell?
please also CC the developers of the affected software and
people who are interested in distro creation, like you Bernd
and me and Fritz (as we have that diskette distro).
> * Are the exact sourcefiles of kernel, freecom, install and mem all in
> public CVS somewhere or are modified versions included on the CD?
For MEM, the version on http://freedos.sourceforge.net/mem/ (1.11) is
even newer than the FreeDOS 1.0 one. The used kernel is not completely
in CVS yet (sorry about that), the CVS only has 2036test. The real 2036
can be found on www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/stuff/soft/by-others/
... as for FreeCOM, you would have to ask Blair if all changes are in
CVS already.
> * Is there any specification on what files should go to an ODIN
> diskette? with a batchfile and full installed FreeDOS (or LiveCD?)
> it should be easy enough to create such a disk I guess?
It is your own choice what exactly to put in ODIN. The install CD
has a directory called ODIN as far as I remember, you could start
with that and remove some install-specific files... My own diskette
distro attempts have a size of 3 diskettes at the moment, but you
can do a lot with disk 1 of 3 already :-). The distro contains a
full install of fdbasecd, with most of the docs zipped :-).
> * on CDROM, HELP refuses to run on CD, as ODIN directory's index.htm
> refers to /EN/INDEX.HTM which doesn't exist on CD
Good point, thanks for finding out! You should add that to the
mentioned Wiki page.
> * FreeCOM has a whiteline at VER, but not at CLS for example, this
> prevents SET /E MYVARS=VER
Interesting problem, but if you only want the version NUMBER, then
you better use a small tool which returns that as the errorlevel.
I could write one if you do not already have one. Takes a few bytes.
> * SETUP batchfile has no /? for anyone who would like to find out
> what's it for ("installing FreeDOS 1.0 operating system").
Right. And it should use the copy of SHSURDRV which is on the
cdrom, not the one which it assumes to be in the caller PATH...
> * SETUP batchfile, line 99, which tests if a file can be created on
> C:\ , kinda needs a change. It relies on redirection and on
> the /F parameter of the SHELL LINE in a config.sys file. A better
> workaround might be something like:
> @echo off
> %comspec% /f /c copy nul c:\test.txt
> if not exist c:\test.txt format c:
> if exist c:\test.txt del c:\test.txt
That is too extreme and does not explain what is happening and
why. But it is okay to use %comspec% /f for the main check.
Nice idea. Does copying nul work like that? Use another small
file which is in the distro anyway otherwise :-).
> "%comspec% /f /c echo yes > c:\test.txt" seems not to function, the 2nd
> shell closes before redirection already, and thus if primary shell has
> no /F parameter, you'll get half a dozen "abort/retry/fail" questions
> before FreeCOM/kernel gives up.
This is probably because the FIRST shell does the redirection and
the second shell only does ECHO YES! Good point. And of course it
would be very good to use OSCHECK BEFORE trying to create files
on C:, to avoid some unnecessary write attempts on non-FAT drives.
If OSCHECK is not suitable for that for any reason, for example if
it can happen that it triggers an abort/retry/fail prompt, please
do tell me, then I can update OSCHECK!
By the way, please do provide a REAL CWSDPMI for download, too.
Just using HXRT DPMI instead without telling anybody is a bad idea.
Eric
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
I figure the best place would be whereever Blair would check (or where he
would like it to be).
We can borrow a lot of interesting things from Microsoft and other OSes in
certain situations.
For example, we can borrow from Microsoft the idea of an Emergency Boot Disk
(EBD). This disk could be based on the installation choices, so basically
made just before FreeDOS is installed, so if the user chooses FAT32, The EBD
contains tools/kernel that are compatible to that install so that in the
event of a crash, you can either boot the system with the CD for a
re-install/fix (generic boot) or have a customized floppy for your specific
configuration.
Once FreeDOS is installed, if the user decided not to make the disk, perhaps
an option to the setup program that will collect information about the
current FreeDOS system and build a customized EBD.
-T
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From: "Bernd Blaauw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
> Guys, where's the best place to put some feedback on the 1.0 ISO? tiny
> bugreports and tiny enhancement ideas as well to an otherwise great
> distro already.
>
> * Bugzilla?
> * Tech Wiki?
> * Install Wiki?
> * Mailinglist?
> * Privately mail Blair Campbell?
>
> What I've so far found are:
> * Are the exact sourcefiles of kernel, freecom, install and mem all in
> public CVS somewhere or are modified versions included on the CD?
> * Is there any specification on what files should go to an ODIN
> diskette? with a batchfile and full installed FreeDOS (or LiveCD?) it
> should be easy enough to create such a disk I guess?
> * on CDROM, HELP refuses to run on CD, as ODIN directory's index.htm
> refers to /EN/INDEX.HTM which doesn't exist on CD
> * FreeCOM has a whiteline at VER , but not at CLS for example, this
> prevents SET /E MYVARS=VER
> * SETUP.BAT batchfile has no /? for anyone who would like to find out
> what's it for ("installing FreeDOS 1.0 operating system").
> * SETUP.BAT batchfile, line 99, which tests if a file can be created on
> C:\ , kinda needs a change. It relies on redirection and on
> the /F parameter of the SHELL LINE in a config.sys file. A better
> workaround might be something like:
>
> @echo off
> %comspec% /f /c copy nul c:\test.txt
> if not exist c:\test.txt format c:
> if exist c:\test.txt del c:\test.txt
>
> "%comspec% /f /c echo yes > c:\test.txt" seems not to function, the 2nd
> shell closes before redirection already, and thus if primary shell has no
> /F
> parameter, you'll get half a dozen "abort/retry/fail" questions before
> FreeCOM/kernel gives up.
>
> This last issue I mention because only when I add /F to my own bootdisk,
> the CD works. We can't rely on all bootdisks having a /F switch in
> config.sys for COMMAND.COM, and thus it's better to have the /F switch
> on cdrom in batchfile.
>
> Bernd
>
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[Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?
Guys, where's the best place to put some feedback on the 1.0 ISO? tiny
bugreports and tiny enhancement ideas as well to an otherwise great
distro already.
* Bugzilla?
* Tech Wiki?
* Install Wiki?
* Mailinglist?
* Privately mail Blair Campbell?
What I've so far found are:
* Are the exact sourcefiles of kernel, freecom, install and mem all in
public CVS somewhere or are modified versions included on the CD?
* Is there any specification on what files should go to an ODIN
diskette? with a batchfile and full installed FreeDOS (or LiveCD?) it
should be easy enough to create such a disk I guess?
* on CDROM, HELP refuses to run on CD, as ODIN directory's index.htm
refers to /EN/INDEX.HTM which doesn't exist on CD
* FreeCOM has a whiteline at VER , but not at CLS for example, this
prevents SET /E MYVARS=VER
* SETUP.BAT batchfile has no /? for anyone who would like to find out
what's it for ("installing FreeDOS 1.0 operating system").
* SETUP.BAT batchfile, line 99, which tests if a file can be created on
C:\ , kinda needs a change. It relies on redirection and on
the /F parameter of the SHELL LINE in a config.sys file. A better
workaround might be something like:
@echo off
%comspec% /f /c copy nul c:\test.txt
if not exist c:\test.txt format c:
if exist c:\test.txt del c:\test.txt
"%comspec% /f /c echo yes > c:\test.txt" seems not to function, the 2nd
shell closes before redirection already, and thus if primary shell has no /F
parameter, you'll get half a dozen "abort/retry/fail" questions before
FreeCOM/kernel gives up.
This last issue I mention because only when I add /F to my own bootdisk,
the CD works. We can't rely on all bootdisks having a /F switch in
config.sys for COMMAND.COM, and thus it's better to have the /F switch
on cdrom in batchfile.
Bernd
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