Re: [Freedos-devel] Idea about Virtual PC compatibility / A20 handling

2004-08-21 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

21--2004 18:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tom ehlert) wrote to Eric Auer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi, Pavel Novy, author of some tiny tool which Tyler found useful,
 writes me some explanation for if you want to keep it tiny, then
 why does it start with mov ah,30h / int 21h (but does not do any-
 thing with the returned DOS version information)?.
te the intended meaning of the above sentence escapes me.

 Do you mean, that you not understand this paragraph? Well, for me it
too not very clear, but how I understand it:

- Tyler found useful utility;
- Tyler ask its author, why there used (dummy) INT21/30 at start;
- author (Pavel Novy) explains, that this forces A20 line enabled and
  without this shown below example doesn't work.

 LOADFIX (should be  part of every FreeDOS distro! Do we have one?
te In what part of the universe did you spend the last few years ?

 tom, please, be slightly more polite.




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Re: [Freedos-devel] Idea about Virtual PC compatibility / A20 handling

2004-08-21 Thread tom ehlert
Hello Arkady,


 LOADFIX (should be  part of every FreeDOS distro! Do we have one?
te In what part of the universe did you spend the last few years ?

  tom, please, be slightly more polite.

this WAS the polite version.

tom




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Re: [Freedos-devel] Idea about Virtual PC compatibility / A20 handling

2004-08-21 Thread Bernd Blaauw
tom ehlert schreef:
tom, please, be slightly more polite.
   

this WAS the polite version.
tom
 

LOL!
original author meant: 'if (programmer) concerned about size of program, 
then why add an instruction which you don't use result of afterwards?

Bernd
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Idea about Virtual PC compatibility / A20 handling

2004-08-21 Thread tom ehlert
Hello Bernd,

 LOL!
 original author meant: 'if (programmer) concerned about size of program,
 then why add an instruction which you don't use result of afterwards?

That's how I understood the original author as well.
But then I didn't understand why our deasr Eric broadcasts this very
original insight to a few hundred subscribed experts on this list ;)

tom




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[Freedos-devel] Idea about Virtual PC compatibility / A20 handling

2004-08-20 Thread Eric Auer

Hi, Pavel Novy, author of some tiny tool which Tyler found useful,
writes me some explanation for if you want to keep it tiny, then
why does it start with mov ah,30h / int 21h (but does not do any-
thing with the returned DOS version information)?. He found that
the following code sequence would hang in Virtual PC:

(com program)
 Start:jmp   Begin
 XMSControldd?
 Begin:mov   ax,4300h
int   2fh
cmp   al,80h
jne   _errexit
mov   ax,4310h
int   2fh
mov   word ptr [XMSControl],bx
mov   word ptr [XMSControl + 2],es
mov   ah,00h
call  dword ptr [XMSControl]
 _errexit:
mov   ax,4c00h
int   21h

Can somebody try to reproduce? Should we add some handling to our
HIMEM / EMM386 for it? I think this is A20 related, something like
disable A20 on exec() and reenable it again on the first int 21
call. Which is, by the way, a very useless feature: LOADFIX (should be
part of every FreeDOS distro! Do we have one? It takes care to load
programs outside the first 64k) is, as far as I know, taking care of
possible program might expect wraparound at 1 MB in a better way.

And of course I vote - again - for some HIMEM command line option switch
A20 on at HIMEM start time but refuse to switch it off later. Thanks.


Thanks to Pavel for checking his archives about the background of this
use int 21.30 before releasing the environment of the program (which
is where it was used in the binary found by Tyler) trick.

Eric




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Re: [Freedos-devel] Idea about Virtual PC compatibility / A20 handling

2004-08-20 Thread Aitor SantamarĂ­a Merino
Hi,
LOADFIX (should be
part of every FreeDOS distro! Do we have one?
LOADFIX is internal, and IIRC it is already implemented in FreeCOM.
Aitor
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